Keep on Truckin’

Ryan Nugent-Hopkins had perhaps his best game of the season, delivering across all 200-feet of NHL canvas in a thrilling display of two-way hockey. He won’t get the attention he deserves, but here, at this blog, we want to take a moment to acknowledge greatness on a Saturday night in February. Nuge was outstanding.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of The Athletic, less than two coffees a month offer here. 

  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Oilers Observations: A Connor McDavid scare, Leon Draisaitl’s back, boosting the top line and helping Zack Kassian
  • New Lowetide: The Oilers trading their first-round pick is a bad idea
  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: After a ‘long road’ to the NHL, Tyler Benson’s Oilers debut holds extra meaning
  • Mitch Brown: The Video Room: How Oilers’ Kailer Yamamoto overcomes his small stature to make dynamic plays
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: ‘Emotionless’ Oilers fail yet again to match passion from a week ago
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: 15 potential trade targets for the Oilers before the 2020 deadline
  • Lowetide: Drilling down on right-handed centres for the Oilers to target before the trade deadline
  • Jonathan Willis: Oilers trade suggestions: 50 proposals from readers, with our verdict
  • Lowetide: If fast is the new big, the Oilers are trending in a very good direction
  • Lowetide: Oilers’ 2016 draft and the value of waiting five years
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: ‘I got a text from Wayne Gretzky that I’ve still got saved’: 8 years later, Sam Gagner reflects on his 8-point night.
  • Lowetide: What’s next for Tyler Benson and William Lagesson after being called up by the Oilers?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: ‘Now it’s over’: With a new contract in hand, Zack Kassian ready to move on after Matthew Tkachuk fight
  • Lowetide: Why the Oilers are more likely to trade Adam Larsson than Kris Russell
  • Lowetide: Oilers prospects Evan Bouchard and Tyler Benson deliver best minor league performances in 20 years
  • Jonathan Willis: An updated list of which Oilers are most likely to be traded in 2019-20
  • Lowetide: Kailer Yamamoto gives Oilers a midseason spark, one of the best in team history
  • Jonathan Willis: The Oilers’ road forward — and perhaps to a Stanley Cup — requires trusting the kids on defence
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Deciding what to do with Darnell Nurse, Mike Smith, Tyler Benson and Evan Bouchard

OILERS AFTER 55 GAMES

  • Oilers in 2015-16: 21-29-5, 47 points; goal differential -29
  • Oilers in 2016-17: 29-18-8, 66 points; goal differential +11
  • Oilers in 2017-18: 23-28-4, 50 points; goal differential -30
  • Oilers in 2018-19: 24-26-5, 53 points; goal differential -20
  • Oilers in 2019-20: 29-20-6, 64 points; goal differential +3

Last night was a terrific effort by the Oilers, in all honesty I thought the club was done 38 minutes into the game. Hockey is such a strange game, absolute random luck cut the deficit in half and gave the home team life. It was a mausoleum before the Chiasson goal, a raucous joint after the goal. Big win.

ON THE TENS

  • First 10 games: 7-2-1
  • Second 10 games: 5-4-1
  • Third 10 games: 5-4-1
  • Fourth 10 games: 3-6-1
  • Fifth 10 games: 6-2-2
  • Current 10 games: 3-2-0

Oilers have had one poor 10-game segment so far, and this 10-game set feels like a tight one.

OILERS IN FEBRUARY

  • Oilers in February 2016: 1-3-0, two points; goal differential -15
  • Oilers in February 2017: 1-3-0, two points; goal differential -7
  • Oilers in February 2018: 1-2-1, three points; goal differential +1
  • Oilers in February 2019: 1-1-2, four points; goal differential -4
  • Oilers in February 2020: 2-2-0, four points; goal differential +1

February is a damned tough month based on these four-game runs to begin the proceedings over five years. Man, there’s no joy in these numbers. This year’s team is the only one to have two wins after four games.

WHAT TO EXPECT IN FEBRUARY

  • On the road to: CAL, ARI (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 1-1-0)
  • At home to: SJS, NAS, CHI (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 1-1-0)
  • On the road to: TBY, FLA, CAR (Expected 1-1-1)
  • At home to: BOS, MIN (Expected 1-1-0)
  • On the road to: LAK, ANA, VEG (Expected 2-1-0)
  • At home to: WPG (Expected 1-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 8-5-1, 17 points in 14 games
  • Current results: 2-2-0, four points in four games

The Oilers have a busy schedule this month, so it’s a combination of quality of opponent and how many games are btb or third in four nights. After the massive run coming out of the AS break (two against Calgary with a game against St. Louis in between) this week represented a struggle. The win Saturday stops a two-game losing streak and sets up the road trip in a more positive light.

OILERS 2019-20

Dave Tippett coached his ass off last night, catch the time on ice for some of these lines. Alex Chiasson had a brilliant early chance and then later scored the biggest goal of the game. All numbers five on five and via NST.

LINE 1 Nuge-Leon Draisaitl-Kailer Yamamoto played 13:13, going 20-8 Corsi, 12-3 shots, 1-0 goals and 5-2 HDSC.

Ryan Nugent-Hopkins had a splendid evening, including a grand back check that squashed what could have been the winning goal, and two passes to Draisaitl that led to goals. Finished 0-1-1 five on five, with two shots and two HDSC, three giveaways and two takeaways. His stellar back check on Arvidsson was all-world and won’t get the attention it deserves. Outstanding work. Leon Draisaitl received much of the attention post-game and with good reason. He scored a goal, had four shots, three HDSC, drew a penalty and won 10 of 18 in the dot. His second goal was the winner. Kailer Yamamoto continued to be a catalyst for this trio, although it was a slow start for the line. He finished with an assist, three shots, one HDSC and a takeaway.

LINE 2 Jujhar Khaira-Riley Sheahan-Josh Archibald played 9:25, going 8-8 Corsi, 5-6 shots, no goals and 0-1 HDSC.

Jujhar Khaira played a physical game, helping to set the tone early with a hit against Nick Bonino. He had one shot, which stood as Edmonton’s best scoring chance for some time. Had a takeaway. Riley Sheahan had a shot, a takeaway and won seven of nine (nice). He was effective in four PK minutes. Josh Archibald had three shots, hit like a truck and transported well. I like what he brings.

LINE 3 Sam Gagner-Connor McDavid-Alex Chiasson played 8:55, going 7-15 Corsi, 2-7 shots, 0-1 goals and 0-7 HDSC. That might be the worst line from a line that contains 97 in his NHL career.

Sam Gagner had two shots, took a penalty and had two giveaways. I understand why Tippett moved him up, but suspect one of the reasons Samwise was succeeding on a depth line had to do with quality of opponent. Connor McDavid had a wild night: Power-play assist, two penalties, two giveaways, won four of eight in the dot. He hurt his knee on an innocent looking play and that became central to the game story (as it should). Postgame Tippett said it was not expected to be a serious issue. McDavid was creating chances for Chiasson and (later) Leon. Alex Chiasson missed a yawning cage early in the game, and was credited with the goal that got things going late in the second period. He didn’t have any crooked numbers of note at five on five. This line should end.

LINE 4 Tyler Benson-Gaetan Haas-Zack Kassian played 4:28, going 3-0 Corsi, 2-0 shots.

Tyler Benson had an early giveaway, which is like running a stop sign for a player in his second game. Limited minutes after. Gaetan Haas won four of seven in the dot. Zack Kassian was not a factor. It’s easy to bury these guys but the bottom line is Tippett coached to win, to end the losing streak, to find two points on a night when the team had a chance to get closer to the light up above. I don’t blame him. Tippett said post-game he got caught chasing the win and that Kassian will get more minutes next game.

PAIRING ONE Darnell Nurse and Ethan Bear played 16:51, going 19-24 Corsi, 11-10 shots, 1-0 goals and 3-7 HDSC.

Darnell Nurse had three shots, a giveaway, takeaway, penalty and four blocked shots. The penalty came when he got beaten by Matt Duchene. Ethan Bear had one shot, four giveaways and two takeaways. The young man passed the puck well, one of the parts of his game Edmonton needs badly. He is so calm, and can move that puck so well, it gives the team a completely different look when he’s on the ice.

PAIRING TWO Oscar Klefbom and Adam Larsson played 13:51, going 14-11 Corsi, 8-6 shots, no goals and 5-1 HDSC. This was a solid showing by the pair, owing much to the nine minutes spent with the Draisaitl line.

Oscar Klefbom had five shots, one HDSC and showed good speed in recovery. He is such a valuable player. Adam Larsson played a physical game and was solid in 3:40 on the PK.

PAIRING THREE Caleb Jones and Matt Benning played 9:04, going 9-5 Corsi, 6-3 shots, no goals and 0-2 HDSC.

Caleb Jones had two giveaways and got boxed out on the Smith goal, but that was more an effective pick than a rookie mistake. He’s learning the NHL game and I believe he’ll have a quality career. His passing is coming along, the game is starting to slow down for him. Leave him in the lineup! Matt Benning had three shots, created a rebound on one of them. He was there for Bonino’s goal but couldn’t interrupt the tip.

GOALIE Mike Smith stopped 27 of 29, .931. He delivered on all easy and mid-range shots, allowing two of nine HDSC to get by him. I thought he was excellent, highlighted by a sequence in the middle of the second period where Duchene and then Josi had 10-bell chances. Tippett said after the game that Smith is ‘dialed in’ and that’s a good description.

CONNOR MCDAVID

McDavid was injured last night on a play that landed him in the end boards. Ryan Rishaug from TSN asked him about it in the post-game avail and Tippett said it was “not his hurt knee” and that he had a “little bump on his knee” so we’ll wait for more information. He was brilliant as always during game action.

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  1. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    WC standings using points percentage shown at points over/under fake Bettman .500

    Central
    STL 17
    COL 15
    DAL 12

    As-if-ic
    EDM 9
    VAN 9
    VGK 7

    Wildcard
    CGY 6
    NSH 5

    Out of playoffs
    WPG 5
    MIN 4
    CHI 4
    ARI 4
    SJS -3
    ANA -4
    LAK -13

    -Tiebreaks: EDM has one less gp than VAN. NSH has 2 less gp than WPG.

    Relevant games today:

    CHI (-105) at WPG (-115) – 3rd in 4 for WPG and 2nd of back to back, but at home. I like CHI here.

    COL (-125) at MIN (+105) – Kinda like MIN here. They beat DAL on Friday and this is COL’s 3rd in 4 nights in 3 different cities, 2nd of back to back.

  2. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    EC standings using points percentage shown at points over/under fake Bettman .500

    Atlantic
    BOS 24
    TBY 20
    FLA 10

    Metropolitan
    WSH 22
    PIT 19
    NYI 15

    Wildcard
    CBJ 13
    CAR 12

    Out of playoffs
    PHI 12
    TOR 10
    MTL 4
    NYR 3
    BUF 1
    NJD -4
    OTT -8
    DET -26

    -A lot of fans bitch about how the NHL decides playoff seeding, but they always get the best 8 teams in each conference in the playoffs.

    -Often the 9th best team in one conference would make the playoffs in the other conference, that happens and is defend-able imo.

    -What isn’t defend-able is if the top 8 teams in a conference do not make the playoffs and that would happen if the playoffs were to start tomorrow

    -The division seeding would have FLA in the playoffs while PHI was actually the 8th best team and FLA is the 9th.

    -If the season ends this way it would be a disaster.

    Relevant wildcard games today: None

  3. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    19/20
    EDM Goal Share after 55 games (29-20-6)

    Even strength (5v5,4v4,3v3)
    McDavid On Ice 55-53 (51%)
    McDavid Off Ice 59-76 (44%)
    Net EV = -15

    Sp. Teams (PP+SH For–PK+SH Against)
    49-34
    Net ST +16

    Empty Net
    12-11
    Net EN=+1

    SO & PS
    3-3
    SO & PS= Even

    Net Goal Differential = +2

    Leavins mentioned EDM sniffing around Coleman in NJD. I’d like that.

    McDavid can get a 50%+ goal share with the grits, but this team needs some talent around him so he can clock in at 55%+ and likes coming to work every day.

  4. jtblack says:

    WG: How was the game live?
    Do you have any takeaways?

  5. jtblack says:

    ORANGE CONE – MCDAVID – ORANGE CONE

    Watching the McD & Gagner 2 on 1 was ….. painful … Connor basically came to a full stop wauting for Sam to catch up ……By the time Sam cuaght up ; he had also “been caught”, Leaving McD no choice ut to shoot.

    A real shame to ask the best player in the game to play with those guys.

  6. buck yoakam says:

    I wonder if Tippet is sending Kenny a subtle message with Samwise and Chaser on Connors line?….Help Wanted!…speedy winger with top six talent required

  7. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Trip report:

    Prelims at Hbombs with Oil blogger Alex Thomas, who was on LT’s show Friday, along with his wife Hannah. They were in from their home town of Boston to see a couple of games. Great people.

    Started with a very good Irish called Sexton that I had never had before. Apparently it clocks in around $60. Great value.

    Cracked open a Red Breast 15 that I owed him. So, so good.

    Finished off the prelims with Moscow Mule in copper cups. Hbomb is a cocktail master and has all the right tools and ingredients.

    At the game:

    First time I had to yell at the ref the person to my right jumped a bit.

    I apologized to he and his wife and explained that I had to yell at the ref or else they don’t understand how bad they are at their job so it was going to continue. They agreed this was necessary and it paid off later with some weak calls on NSH and missing a call on Archibald in the 3rd. You’re welcome Oil Country.

    Post game:

    After the game a quick Red Breast 12 at Hbombs then off for dinner at Sabor. (had to try to finish off the bottle of 12 so the 15 could take its spot on Hbomb’s crowed bar top)

    Tapas of King Salmon ceviche, grilled calamari in squid ink, fried cod balls (think crab cakes, but round and with cod) as well as a massive meat and cheese board.

    Main of Boar 3 ways with boar belly, boar cheek and boar loin with a risotto on the side. Crazy good.

    The boar cheek was so, so, so soft yet not greasy at all.

    Kassian and his wife came in with some friends soon after we were seated.

    Halfway through the meal a buddy at the table said: “hey, there’s they guy you shit talked today”

    Sure enough Adam Larsson, Alex Chiasson and their dates were just sat 3 tables over from us.

    Sabor has been an outstanding restaurant in this city for decades. Well worth it.

    After that went to pub to meet some other people.

    Good times.

  8. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    jtblack:
    WG: How was the game live?
    Do you have any takeaways?

    First period was awful. Leon looked tired and they couldn’t get out of their own zone with the puck.

    The first goal on Smith was really bad, but he made some stops later to make up for it.

    McDavid was twirling during commercial breaks testing his knee after he crashed. Looked to be in serious pain on the bench and was also holding his shoulder, not just his knee.

    Klef looked like has in agony on the bench when he got hurt. Barely got to bench, surprised he continued.

    Reffing was terrible in the first 2 periods and they seemed to make up for in the 3rd by letting EDM get away with lots of interference and calling NSH for a couple marginal ones.

    Thank Gord for the PP because McDavid’s line had no juice and Drai’s line couldn’t cash 5v5, Sheahan’s line was ok, but no talent near the net and the 4th line was invisible. Looks like the game is very fast for Benson and he needs to process it at NHL speed, but isn’t there yet.

    Bear was, by far, the best Dman on the team last night.

    So good in tight little spaces and hanging on the puck for that extra half second to get an open seam for a pass.

    You can’t teach that and he has it in spades.

    He’s manna from heaven.

  9. jtblack says:

    Sounds like a great night.

  10. jtblack says:

    buck yoakam:
    I wonder if Tippet is sending Kenny a subtle message with Samwise and Chaser on Connors line?….Help Wanted!…speedy winger with top six talent required

    Sending a message for sure …. not very subtle ….

    If Chiasson and Samwise raced from one emd of the rink to the other; well …. I am not sure either would make it

  11. Jethro Tull says:

    That, my friend, sounds like a grand night out!

  12. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    buck yoakam:
    I wonder if Tippet is sending Kenny a subtle message with Samwise and Chaser on Connors line?….Help Wanted!…speedy winger with top six talent required

    Its my understanding that they talk quite a bit and are on the same page. No need to send subtle hints.

    I think he put the two best players he could with 97 while not wanting to hurt the 93-29-56 chemistry.

    Its sad, but I think its true.

  13. Jethro Tull says:

    Nah. TMac tried doing the same with Pete. It got Eberle traded.

    But who else does Dave put there? I think he just looks to see who isn’t screwing up too badly and they get to play with McDavid.

  14. jtblack says:

    “EDM sniffing around Coleman in NJD. I’d like that.”

    Coleman is 28. Skates really well. 22 G last year. 21 G already this year. 17 of those ES.

    Positive CF%rel.

    Rocking 96 PDO last yr and 98 this yr. So actually may be some upside there.
    SH%. 10 last yr. 12 this yr. Very reasonable.

  15. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    He’s also under contract next year for only $1.8MM so that leaves more room to add more talent at 3C and another winger.

  16. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    Good to hear!
    Well deserved…

  17. yeraslob says:

    That Kovalchuk kid has been good in Mtl so far. Opportunity missed?

  18. Lowetide says:

    I wouldn’t be shocked to see Holland acquire Kovalchuk

  19. mustang says:

    RNH was great last night, he stopped high danger scoring chances and made some beautiful offensive plays mostly to Leon. Man, that’s the nuge we need to see a lot more of. Saying that he’s been fantastic on that second line, the whole line is golden. Might be the best line in the NHL

  20. Dicky94 says:

    jtblack,

    Coleman and Wood!! Getter done! Sounds like going camping.

  21. jtblack says:

    “On the road to: TBY, FLA, CAR (Expected 1-1-1)
    At home to: BOS, MIN (Expected 1-1-0)
    On the road to: LAK, ANA, VEG (Expected 2-1-0)”

    A little worried about this stretch, including CHI @ home Tues. 3 Home – 6 Road Games. Edmontin sems to be finding a way this year, so I hope that continues.

  22. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    Help Wanted – Connor’s wingers.

    I agree Coleman is quite intriguing. Leavins mentions JP + 3rd draft pick or prospect (Lag/Sammy) instead of the pick. I could handle JP + 3rd round in 2021, but it would be tough to give up more (like Sammy/Lag) for a 28 yr old…but maybe that is the price that has to be paid….maybe NJD would be happy with JP + 3rd…here’s hoping!

    This next thought is a little crazy, but I’m going to put it out there. Under normal circumstances it would be silly to break up the RNH-Drai-KY line. But Connor needs help. I was thinking of post-christmas F performance ranking (in no particular order)…McD, Leon, RNH are the top 3 and arguably KY comes in at 4th. For a game or two I would put KY up with McD and slide Archie into 2RW. It may only be a slight downgrade on the 2nd line and a significant upgrade on the first line. I know KY got time with McD in the past (when he was trying to break into the league) and did not perform well. This is KY 2.0, He is vastly improved.

    This would give McD some speed, forecheck and IQ. Also defensive responsible winger. A shooter on the left would be marvellous (Coleman?).

    RNH can continue to be the key support player for Drai and they get a slight downgrade in skill while still having a defensively solid forechecking buzzsaw to stir shit up for turnovers, etc.

    If it fails, it is easy to go back to the 2nd line (which just to clarify I really like right now!).

    Now tell me this is a bad idea…

  23. jtblack says:

    anyone else worried about that Kassian contract ?

    *I’ll see myself out*

  24. jtblack says:

    How about the backhand sauce pass to Leon. WOW

  25. teddyturnbuckle says:

    Great game last night. Not sure how I feel about Kassian signing huge contract and then playing 7 mins in a game.

  26. jtblack says:

    “JP + 3rd ” for Coleman …….

    I dont know enough about Coleman … I “think” he would be a great add for this yr, nxt and maybe longer.

    a 2021 3rd won’t contribute to the Oilers until at least 2024 which is waaay out.

    Now JP. oh boy. The way I look at it, he is not contributing to the Oilers now, so anything is better than nothing … but I know LT thinks we should keep JP or get Top value for him…..

    Interesting trade …

  27. teddyturnbuckle says:

    I wouldn’t mind seeing RNH up with McDavid and Kassian next game. Draisaitl with Yamamoto and Benson/anyone.

  28. Dustylegnd says:

    So let me review, Holland signs Kassian to 4 years x 3.2, Tip proceeds to put Kassian on the 4th line with two ok AHL players and sees 7:05 of ice….Whisky Tango Foxtrot?

    Perhaps they signed Kassian to trade him at the deadline

    Gagne is a 4th line NHLer and hangs by a thread at that spot…so hey promote him to McDaddy’s wing

    The oil need to nail this draft to put themselves in a position to trade young talent for some wingers

    McDavid should be 15 points clear of the rest of the league in the scoring race, but instead he is 2nd, everybody scores when with McDavid, except Sam and Chiasson……pairing these two plugs with McDavid is a crime against Humanity man……

  29. Jethro Tull says:

    Lowetide:
    I wouldn’t be shocked to see Holland acquire Kovalchuk

    See, the Oilers do go after the right players. It’s just that they do it 10-15yrs after they should.

    Trade Bouchard for Kovi get him locked in to 5yrs x $6m.

    Oh wait, Pete isn’t GM anymore.

  30. Dustylegnd says:

    teddyturnbuckle:
    I wouldn’t mind seeing RNH up with McDavid and Kassian next game.Draisaitl with Yamamoto and Benson/anyone.

    Remind me again what Benson has done to deserve more ice higher up the lineup??

    How About Archibald with Drai and Yamo instead

  31. Dustylegnd says:

    GordieHoweHatTrick,

    Seems like a logical option to me

  32. godot10 says:

    //Tippett said post-game he got caught chasing the win and that Kassian will get more minutes next game.//

    Tippett was being nice. Kassian was responsible for the 1st goal against, with a severe lack of awareness and compete level. Fail to check two Predators, and then blocked Larsson out of the play.

    Big, bald, and not into it.

  33. Jethro Tull says:

    Kassian was responsible for Alberta losing 19000 jobs in January.

    #whoisresponsibleforthis?

  34. OriginalPouzar says:

    Benson back to AHL – with knowledge regarding the NHL game and what it takes.

  35. Johnny skid says:

    godot10: Tippett was being nice.

    you should try to be more like Tippett.

  36. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Dustylegnd:
    So let me review, Holland signs Kassian to 4 years x 3.2, Tip proceeds to put Kassian on the 4th line with two ok AHL players and sees 7:05 of ice….Whisky Tango Foxtrot?

    Perhaps they signed Kassian to trade him at the deadline

    Gagne is a 4th line NHLer and hangs by a thread at that spot…so hey promote him to McDaddy’s wing

    The oil need to nail this draft to put themselves in a position to trade young talent for some wingers

    McDavid should be 15 points clear of the rest of the league in the scoring race, but instead he is 2nd, everybody scores when with McDavid, except Sam and Chiasson……pairing these two plugs with McDavid is a crime against Humanity man……

    Kassian started on McDavid’s wing.

    Then when Kassian missed his assignment on the first NSH goal Tippett gave him eye daggers on the way back to the bench and put him on the 4th line.

    Identical to what happened in ARI.

    Kassian gets the opportunity to start with McDavid and all he has to do to stay there is being engaged and doing his job in the dzone and he’s failed that twice in the last 3 games.

  37. Brantford Boy says:

    I have a habit (perhaps bad) to focus on a sentence from our host, usually one that I agree with…
    “Josh Archibald had three shots, hit like a truck and transported well. I like what he brings.”

    Me too… he bring’s that blue collar work boot and lunch pail mentality. This got me thinking today, we know the elites (97, 29, 77), and we know the non elites (16, 91). Looking at the roster the rest are blue collar work boot players. Although we can argue the degree of where each player slots in order I’d say my top 3 are Nuge, Archibald and Yamamoto. I think Nurse, Larsson, Kassian, Chiasson are 4 who could be better and Benning, KRusty and lastly Sheahan show flashes and obviously we were all routing hard for JJ but it’s not working (but has shown small improvement since the break).

    Who’s your top 3 blue collars?

  38. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    godot10:
    //Tippett said post-game he got caught chasing the win and that Kassian will get more minutes next game.//

    Tippett was being nice.Kassian was responsible for the 1st goal against, with a severe lack of awareness and compete level.Fail to check two Predators, and then blocked Larsson out of the play.

    Big, bald, and not into it.

    That’s it exactly.

  39. Dustylegnd says:

    godot10:
    //Tippett said post-game he got caught chasing the win and that Kassian will get more minutes next game.//

    Tippett was being nice.Kassian was responsible for the 1st goal against, with a severe lack of awareness and compete level.Fail to check two Predators, and then blocked Larsson out of the play.

    Big, bald, and not into it.

    So you liked Kassian’s game then, one of you r more objective and constructive evaluations of Kassian

    Still waiting for you to tell me who the mystery player is they are going to sign for 2.2 x 3 years that will put up 20 goals and 50 points to replace Kass once the Oil fire him into the sun

  40. godot10 says:

    buck yoakam:
    I wonder if Tippet is sending Kenny a subtle message with Samwise and Chaser on Connors line?….Help Wanted!…speedy winger with top six talent required

    Also, why did you sign that guy I played only 7 minutes and who was to blame for the first goal against to 4 years and multi-millions of dollars?

  41. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Benson back to AHL – with knowledge regarding the NHL game and what it takes.

    The game came at him very fast yesterday, looked like a deer in the headlights.

    Now he knows how little time he has to process the play and make decisions.

    Hopefully he has “A summer of Bear” and works his ass off on the things that he needs to become a NHLer.

  42. Dustylegnd says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Edmonton, we have a problem

  43. Jethro Tull says:

    What was it you said the other day?

    You don’t get to pour black paint over the numbers and call ‘Bingo!’?

    Doesn’t change that Godot is right in this instance, however he’s a fly’s wedding tackle away from baiting and trolling.

  44. Dustylegnd says:

    Woodguy v2.0: The game came at him very fast yesterday, looked like a deer in the headlights.

    Now he knows how little time he has to process the play and make decisions.

    Hopefully he has “A summer of Bear” and works his ass off on the things that he needs to become a NHLer.

    I would start with a visit to Braydon Points skating coach

  45. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Dustylegnd: Still waiting for you to tell me who the mystery player is they are going to sign for 2.2 x 3 years that will put up 20 goals and 50 points to replace Kass once the Oil fire him into the sun

    Unless Kassian is with McDavid he has no hope in hell of putting up those numbers.

    All he has to do to stay with McDavid is be good at his job without the puck.

    This is Tippett trying like hell to coach that into him while trying like hell to win games.

  46. Dustylegnd says:

    Jethro Tull:
    What was it you said the other day?

    You don’t get to pour black paint over the numbers and call ‘Bingo!’?

    Doesn’t change that Godot is right in this instance, however he’s a fly’s wedding tackle away from baiting and trolling.

    Fly’s Wedding Tackle….now that is great line…..and damn does that put him close to being a troll…I mean really close

  47. godot10 says:

    I didn’t start it today! -).

  48. Dustylegnd says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Unless Kassian is with McDavid he has no hope in hell of putting up those numbers.

    All he has to do to stay with McDavid is be good at his job without the puck.

    This is Tippett trying like hell to coach that into him while trying like hell to win games.

    ohh I agree, his scoring output is 100% binary….wowy’s are horrific…..lets hope he isn’t a dumb as he looks, comes down from his comfortable high he is experiencing from 4 x 3.2 …grabs his boots and thermos and arrives in a very foul mood

    Thsi current Oilers line up needs Kassian to stay on McDavid’s line as much as Kass needs Mcdavid to put up any points

    I still want to know who the mystery player is though

  49. JimmyV1965 says:

    jtblack:
    “EDM sniffing around Coleman in NJD. I’d like that.”

    Coleman is 28. Skates really well.22 G last year.21 G already this year. 17 of those ES.

    Positive CF%rel.

    Rocking 96 PDO last yr and 98 this yr.So actually may be some upside there.
    SH%.10 last yr.12 this yr. Very reasonable.

    That would be an absolutely amazing add. The price would be steep I imagine.

  50. Johnny skid says:

    this exactly. I’m just not sure what “fly’s wedding tackle” means.

  51. godot10 says:

    You can post about every time Kassian does something good.

    I am going to post every time he does something bad.

  52. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Dustylegnd: ohh I agree, his scoring output is 100% binary….wowy’s are horrific…..lets hope he isn’t a dumb as he looks, comes down from his comfortable high he is experiencing from 4 x 3.2 …grabs his boots and thermos and arrives in a very foul mood

    Thsi current Oilers line up needs Kassian to stay on McDavid’s line as much as Kass needs Mcdavid to put up any points

    I still want to know who the mystery player is though

    If you’re talking a mystery player who can score 50 points with McDavid on the cheap then here are a couple guys who could:

    Kassian with McDavid 2.37 pts/60
    Archibald with McDavid 2.16 pts/60
    Gagner with McDavid 1.94 pts/60

    Kassian w/o McDavid 1.05 pts/60
    Archibald w/o McDavid 1.01pts/60
    Gagner w/o McDavid 1.40 pts/60

    Players getting points with McDavid isn’t too tough.

    Kassian also had Drai with him and 97 for a lot of his TOI and the juiced the number more than the other guys.

    Would be interesting to see Archibald there for an extended stretch.

  53. Jethro Tull says:

    It means very, very close/small.

    A *rude word* hair.

  54. Jethro Tull says:

    godot10:
    You can post about every time Kassian does something good.

    I am going to post every time he does something bad.

    How about we make this affirmative? You post every time he does something good and bad?

  55. godot10 says:

    If you have been following, any proven NHL 3rd liner will do that with McDavid, or Gretzky, or Lemieux.

    The difference was that Sather and Patrick were not foolish enough to pay them. Sather dumped each and every role player nearing 30.

  56. JimmyV1965 says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Kassian started on McDavid’s wing.

    Then when Kassian missed his assignment on the first NSH goal Tippett gave him eye daggers on the way back to the bench and put him on the 4th line.

    Identical to what happened in ARI.

    Kassian gets the opportunity to start with McDavid and all he has to do to stay there is being engaged and doing his job in the dzone and he’s failed that twice in the last 3 games.

    Why are you and Godot saying this? Kassian did not start on McDavid’s wing.

  57. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Godot doesn’t pour black on everything like DSF.

    In this case Godot’s been was vocal about Kassian’s shitty dzone play since he got here and was vocal about it during the contract talk.

    He took a lot shit for his opinion and now he’s been pulled off McDavid’s line twice in the last 2 games for shitty dzone play and started on the 3rd line vs the Sharks.

    Godot isn’t trolling.

    He’s doing a “victory lap” and giving out “I told ya so’s” and given the grief he got for that opinion in this forum I don’t blame him.

  58. JimmyV1965 says:

    godot10:
    You can post about every time Kassian does something good.

    I am going to post every time he does something bad.

    There won’t be a lot of posting on the good side. But this is seriously strange behaviour. I have zero clue what satisfaction something like this would give you.

  59. Jethro Tull says:

    As I said, it doesn’t change that Godot is correct about Kassian’s play.

    Do we need the shitty insults toward Kassian every fucking post though?

    He doesn’t like him. We get it.

    I remember you taking it not at all well when people did the same with the Sedins at the height of their pisscuttery.

  60. Woogie63 says:

    It does not look like the Condor’s will make the play-off and the Oiler’s make the play-offs.

    How does the Black Aces work?

    After European/Junior/University leagues close, can those players come and be Black Aces?

    If the Oiler’s signed Berglund could he and Broberg come and “participate” in the NHL play-offs?
    What about Jesse if he signed could he be a Black Ace?

    We only have 2 contracts to give but it might be a nice reward for a prospect?

  61. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Also, that “black paint on the bingo card’ was a pretty good line wasn’t it?

    Never heard it before, it just kinda came to me and seemed appropriate.

  62. JimmyV1965 says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Godot doesn’t pour black on everything like DSF.

    In this case Godot’s been was vocal about Kassian’s shitty dzone play since he got here and was vocal about it during the contract talk.

    He took a lot shit for his opinion and now he’s been pulled off McDavid’s line twice in the last 2 games for shitty dzone play and started on the 3rd line vs the Sharks.

    Godot isn’t trolling.

    He’s doing a “victory lap” and giving out “I told ya so’s” and given the grief he got for that opinion in this forum I don’t blame him.

    The vast majority of people on this blog did not like the contract. So being loud about it and beating a dead horse means you liked it even less. Or does it just make you loud and prone to beating dead horses?

  63. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Fair and understood.

    Also,

    Slags on the Sedins had no basis in truth and were just xenophobic or envy often wrapped up in a dose of misogyny (ie. “sisters”)

  64. JimmyV1965 says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Unless Kassian is with McDavid he has no hope in hell of putting up those numbers.

    All he has to do to stay with McDavid is be good at his job without the puck.

    This is Tippett trying like hell to coach that into him while trying like hell to win games.

    This I agree with.

  65. Melman says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    Kassian also went hard into the end boards in the 8-3 Calgary game. He might not be 100%

  66. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Gah! You’re right.

    He was on the ice for the goal though with McDavid and it was early enough in the game that I was sure he started there.

    I even checked the damn shift chart to make sure.

    http://www.nhl.com/stats/shiftcharts?id=2019020851

  67. who says:

    godot10: Also, why did you sign that guy I played only 7 minutes and who was to blame for the first goal against to 4 years and multi-millions of dollars?

    Looked like it was Jones man that scored the first goal.
    Why are we blaming Kassian? Is it because his man picked Jones? Not sure what Kassian could do there?

  68. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Contract is fresh.

    That horse is still alive.

  69. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Woogie63,

    Black Aces come into play when the NHL playoffs start as there are no roster size restrictions or salary cap implications.

    Jesse didn’t sign his contract offer in December so is not eligible to participate… not like he’d (seemingly) want to anyways. The others could come up but realistically only if they have an NHL contract, and it’s not worth burning a year just for something like that. The expectation with Black Aces is that if there’s an injury or major slump there’s a reservist ready to parachute into action.

  70. jp says:

    jtblack:
    “JP + 3rd ” for Coleman …….

    I dont know enough about Coleman …I “think” he would be a great add for this yr, nxt and maybe longer.

    a 2021 3rd won’t contribute to the Oilers until at least 2024 which is waaay out.

    Now JP.oh boy.The way I look at it, he is not contributing to the Oilers now, so anything is better than nothing … but I know LT thinks we shouldkeep JP or get Top value for him…..

    Interesting trade …

    It definitely is interesting.

    I don’t know the player either and agree on Puljujarvi. But a 20+ goal guy at $1.8M is a nice get.

    IF Puljujarvi’s true value is a 2nd as has been speculated/reported that sure sounds more palatable (Coleman for a 2nd and a 3rd) to me. If Holland is going to cash Puljujarvi for a 2nd at the draft this sounds like a solid alternative, IMO.

  71. Dustylegnd says:

    Woodguy v2.0: If you’re talking a mystery player who can score 50 points with McDavid on the cheap then here are a couple guys who could:

    Kassian with McDavid 2.37 pts/60
    Archibald with McDavid 2.16 pts/60
    Gagner with McDavid 1.94 pts/60

    Kassian w/o McDavid 1.05 pts/60
    Archibald w/o McDavid 1.01pts/60
    Gagner w/o McDavid 1.40 pts/60

    Players getting points with McDavid isn’t too tough.

    Kassian also had Drai with him and 97 for a lot of his TOI and the juiced the number more than the other guys.

    Would be interesting to see Archibald there for an extended stretch.

    No, I mean a player we currently don’t have under contract at any level, one that we pull off a scrap heap or sign as a UFA or what ever…..who is that guy?

    My point is that we don’t have enough bonafide NHL players on this team….if we were to just let Kass go to free agency who do we replace him with ?

    I will also note that on that 1st goal Smith was complete horse shit, no way that goal should have gone in…..also Kassian is a winger, so I am not sure why the was where he was but the 3rd guy in the high slot is not his man…..where was the center?

  72. godot10 says:

    Actuallly, that is what I have been doing.

  73. Bag of Pucks says:

    Coleman & Woods are intriguing but I’d more encouraged if Holland were shopping in a different aisle than a perennial underachiever like the Devils.

    If he can hold his powder until the real contenders start their arms race to load up for the playoffs, that’s when the teams with better depth are willing to part with solid players from positions of depth.

    Something like Larsson and a 3rd for Kapanen & Engvall, or Nurse for Greiss and Beauvillier.

  74. godot10 says:

    But he screwed up within a minute of getting essentially a full shift with McDavid and Gagner because Chiasson took an extremely short shift.

    Tippet might have been putting Kassian back with McDavid. And the first thing he does is eff up royally.

  75. jp says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Benson back to AHL – with knowledge regarding the NHL game and what it takes.

    Neal-McDavid-Kassian back together on Tuesday I imagine.

  76. godot10 says:

    I have been an Oilers fan since 1972.

    Exactly what has satisfaction had to do with being an Oilers fan for the last 13 years?

    Fandom or fanaticism has basically nothing to do with satisfaction or the lack thereof.

  77. godot10 says:

    Any proven 3rd line quality player can put up numbers with McDavid.

    Maroon, Kassian, Archibald, Gagner, Rattie, Yakupov, Caggiula

    I think PItlick even did in his very limited minutes.

  78. jp says:

    who: Looked like it was Jones man that scored the first goal.
    Why are we blaming Kassian? Is it because his man picked Jones? Not sure what Kassian could do there?

    This is my issue with Godot’s Kassian posts currently.

    I agree in general with the criticisms of the player, but many of the mistakes and goals against being blamed on Kassian in the past few weeks have been borderline/questionable/arguable.

  79. Bag of Pucks says:

    Given his solid woodmoneys, Weegar and Vatrano for Larsson and Chaisson would be an exceptional trade for the Oil as well imo. Might need to sweeten it with Puli instead of Chiasson.

    Of course the challenge here is the Panthers are analytics savvy so they likely already realize the value contract/player they have with Weegar.

  80. JimmyV1965 says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Coleman & Woods are intriguing but I’d more encouraged if Holland were shopping in a different aisle than a perennial underachiever like the Devils.

    If he can hold his powder until the real contenders start their arms race to load up for the playoffs, that’s when the teams with better depth are willing to part with solid players from positions of depth.

    Something like Larsson and a 3rd for Kapanen & Engvall, or Nurse for Greiss and Beauvillier.

    I think the best strategy is picking good players from bad teams. When you pair these guys with a real centre like McDavid and Drai, they will be even better.

  81. Harpers Hair says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    Woogie63,

    Black Aces come into play when the NHL playoffs start as there are no roster size restrictions or salary cap implications.

    Jesse didn’t sign his contract offer in December so is not eligible to participate… not like he’d (seemingly) want to anyways.The others could come up but realistically only if they have an NHL contract, and it’s not worth burning a year just for something like that.The expectation with Black Aces is that if there’s an injury or major slump there’s a reservist ready to parachute into action.

    Teams who sign their NCAA prospects often bring them up and play them a few games at the end of the season as an enticement to sign their ELC and burn off the first year.

    This is possible since the NCAA season ends much earlier than junior leagues.

  82. godot10 says:

    We still talk about the Russell contract and the Lucic contract.

    The critics of the Draisaitl contract shut up because they were wrong (I was right.).

    And the raging war over the Nurse contract will likely go on forever, as it looks like Holland is going to kick the can down the road again like Chiarelli did.

  83. Material Elvis says:

    Ironically, he trains with Bear in the offseason.

  84. Bag of Pucks says:

    What’s more likely? The Devils are perennially bad because they have two young bluechip prospects and a bunch of middling players OR they have excellent undiscovered players who just need a change of scenery and/or better linemates?

    Trading with the teams that have proven they’re good at drafting is a more solid strategy imo than mining for gold in the cellar.

  85. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    Harpers Hair,

    Not sure if Kenny shops in that aisle as much as Pete did.

  86. Pescador says:

    Jethro Tull:
    Kassian was responsible for Alberta losing 19000 jobs in January.

    #whoisresponsibleforthis?

    Thanks to Kassian I can no longer satisfy my wife
    #whoisresponsibleforthis?

  87. jp says:

    Pescador: Thanks to Kassian I can no longer satisfy my wife
    #whoisresponsibleforthis?

    This one sounds plausible.

    Was it London John who’s wife was more than a little taken upon meeting the big bald man? (Maybe it was some other poster)

  88. Jethro Tull says:

    That’s why I stole it!?

    I was pissed the other day my “Dustin Brown is a wanker” line wasn’t given the credit for genius it deserved.

  89. Bag of Pucks says:

    If the Oil could get good intel on the prognosis for his migraine issues, I’d love to see Holland kick the tires on a Nolan Patrick for Jesse Puljijarvi trade as well.

    Imagine getting an actual lottery pick with upside for Jesse at this point?

  90. BONE207 says:

    WG…Cracked open a Red Breast 15 that I owed him. So, so good.

    Every breast is sacred, every breast is great.
    Every breast that’s wasted, Gord gets quite irate.

    Thanks for the pregame, post game & in game updates.
    I like to read about the 1%ers lifestyle. Squid ink…yecch ?

  91. Bag of Pucks says:

    Btw, have I mentioned how much I’m enjoying OP’s vacation? ? lol

  92. BONE207 says:

    Ya but you had nightmares thinking about it.

  93. pts2pndr says:

    So you break up a line that is working to fix one that isn’t hoping to get two lines that work. This logic from my view point is flawed. You are back to digging one hole to fill another. This would be like taking air from one inflated tire to maybe fill a flat tire and run your vehicle on two under inflated tires. Leave the good tire alone! Fix the flat.

  94. OilClog says:

    Imo watching a coach cause a players head to spin and not understand what’s happening between Coach and Kassian.

    To follow up by replacing him with the male nipples of hockey Alex Chiasson on the McDavid line is truly a great mind fuck. Chiasson is every bit as bad in the D zone as Kassian, his fore check is completely soft and disengaged, if it’s literally not a one timer coming off his stick it’s a give away. His passing ability makes Larsson come across as a dynamo.

    Gagner on the McDavid line isn’t peachy but at least his offensive puck iq is still there and he has a chance to create, which is why he should strictly be on a soft skill line.

    If you’re going to remove the speed and forecheck of Kassian from McDavid, you still need to replace that speed and forecheck and it isn’t name Alex Chiasson. Archibald literally just filled in for a 2 game suspension and not at one point during that time did he look like male nipples on a hockey stick 5×5 as Alex Chiasson.

    And Yes Kassian big bald head was in Larssons way, how about Larsson hold the line or at least attempt to contend with Johansen as he brings the puck in nope, Johansen drives to the corner sends the puck back to Josi, Point shot, pile of bodies infront, puck gets blocked in a scramble, lands on Preds stick.

    But it’s all Kassian’s fault because Larsson skated into him? I just watch Larsson pull the Kris Russell special, then not come flying back into the sortie on his belly like a madman because that’s the 2nd scene of the Kris Russell special. But eh it’s Kassian’s fault.

    Wasn’t Larsson acquired and paid to Punish guys trying to bring to puck in across the blue line against the boards? Isn’t that his Kingdom? Lagesson would of rode him down the boards all the way into the corner, with no easy dish back to the open Josi at the point. Imo.

  95. JimmyV1965 says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    What’s more likely? The Devils are perennially bad because they have two young bluechip prospects and a bunch of middling players OR they have excellent undiscovered players who just need a change of scenery and/or better linemates?

    Trading with the teams that have proven they’re good at drafting is a more solid strategy imo than mining for gold in the cellar.

    Coleman scored 22 last year, 13 in his first full season and will score more than 30 this year. He’s done that playing with centres not in the same universe as McDavid and Drai. I’m not as sold on Wood but he scored 10 last year, 19 the year before and is on pace to score 15 this year, playing with even worse centres than Coleman. I don’t think either of them get a lot of PP time. I think Coleman will be quite pricey to acquire though. These are complementary players. I don’t think they drive winning or losing on any team.

  96. OilClog says:

    Kassian didn’t rotate position fast enough when Larsson was coming back from the failed corner of shame as Kassian was doing his winger job covering the net for Larsson, and if Kassian was to the rotation on time he would simply just be another body in the pile of bodies directly beside him.

    Larsson’s shit play, hockey bounces, and Mike Smiths inability to have his 7ft frame on his post means the Zack Kassian is at fault for my lupus. It all adds up.

  97. Jethro Tull says:

    There is something nagging in the back of my mind. I’m trying to marry Cagey Kenny the wily GM with Kenbellini the guy that does not much and Ken Chiolland, the guy who gives inadvisable contracts to fading players.

    As far as I can tell, they’re all the same person.

  98. Victoria Oil says:

    JimmyV1965: Coleman scored 22 last year, 13 in his first full season and will score more than 30 this year. He’s done that playing with centres not in the same universe as McDavid and Drai. I’m not as sold on Wood but he scored 10 last year, 19 the year before and is on pace to score 15 this year, playing with even worse centres than Coleman. I don’t think either of them get a lot of PP time. I think Coleman will be quite pricey to acquire though. These are complementary players. I don’t think they drive winning or losing on any team.

    Wood is fast and physical. I would have rather traded for him then sign a certain someone for 4 x $3.2.

    I like Coleman as well, but he will be pricey.

  99. fries n gravy says:

    Bear was available in the 5th round partly because teams were concerned about his conditioning and commitment to being a pro. Oilers placed a bet that he’d figure it out. It took awhile but he did. He’s playing at 190lbs now and delivering what the pre-draft math said he had in him.

    Well done, young man.

  100. Side says:

    godot10:
    We still talk about the Russell contract and the Lucic contract.

    The critics of the Draisaitl contract shut up because they were wrong (I was right.).

    And the raging war over the Nurse contract will likely go on forever, as it looks like Holland is going to kick the can down the road again like Chiarelli did.

    How were you “right” about Draisaitl’s contract in a way that would “shut up critics because they were wrong”? I’m pretty sure a lot of people made a reasonable argument that Draisaitl could have been signed for less, and a more savvy GM could have made it happen.

    Are you saying that you were “right” because you and Chiarelli, a GM known for taking on bad contracts, were on the same page with Draisaitl? I’m not sure if that’s something to be proud about.

  101. flea says:

    A friend and myself re watched the first two periods of the BoA from Saturday. What a fun game, it was just as good the second time.

    Kassian goes into the boards hard in the second period. Since then he’s been battling it. Maybe an injury?

    I like Kassian, I’m sure getting this contract has maybe changed his perspective a bit. To go from the bottom to here it has to be immensely satisfying. I’ll give him a little bit of time to settle back into day to day life as a player.

    I hate as soon as guys sign big contracts the knives are instantly out. What if we didn’t know anything about the contract values. Would Kass be getting the same flack on here? Maybe some – he hasn’t been good- but I doubt the volume of vitriol that has been spewing out of several posters since he signed.

    Looking forward to seeing him in the playoffs.

  102. Pescador says:

    jtblack:
    “JP + 3rd ” for Coleman …….

    I dont know enough about Coleman …I “think” he would be a great add for this yr, nxt and maybe longer.

    a 2021 3rd won’t contribute to the Oilers until at least 2024 which is waaay out.

    Now JP.oh boy.The way I look at it, he is not contributing to the Oilers now, so anything is better than nothing … but I know LT thinks we shouldkeep JP or get Top value for him…..

    Interesting trade …

    With the scoring numbers that Coleman is posting, you’re adding a 2021 1st round pick.
    And you probably miss out when someone else offers their 1st in this years draft

  103. John Chambers says:

    Lowetide:
    I wouldn’t be shocked to see Holland acquire Kovalchuk

    I like the idea of a Kovalchuk add.

    Sure the Oilers could try Coleman out on McDavid’s flank and hope they click, but Kovalchuk has that 40-goal pedigree that could be re-ignited playing with an elite player. I think Kovy would be pretty motivated to light up the playoffs to get another big contract.

    But for next year I think Plan A should be to entice Puljujarvi to come over and play 1LW on a line with with McDavid and Kassian.

    Kovalchuk is cheap to acquire, and you start fresh next year with a spot open for JP.

    Lagesson + a 4th (becomes a 2nd if the Oilers make the conference finals)

  104. jtblack says:

    fries n gravy:
    Bear was available in the 5th round partly because teams were concerned about his conditioning and commitment to being a pro.Oilers placed a bet that he’d figure it out.It took awhile but he did.He’s playing at 190lbs now and delivering what the pre-draft math said he had in him.

    Well done, young man.

    Source teams were concerned about conditioning?

    Bear had 38 points in his draft year. There was nothing about his game that said “higher than 5th rounder”

  105. Pescador says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Btw, have I mentioned how much I’m enjoying OP’s vacation? lol

    You’re following him on Snapchat too?
    That oiler speedo is breathtaking!

  106. v4ance says:

    I’m one of those Drai contract critics. I felt Chia overpaid by $1 million. (along with Russell along with Lucic… etc etc)

    It doesn’t mean that Drai isn’t value at $8.5 million right now. That’s a credit to Draisaitl’s competitiveness and skill.

    But can you imagine if we had gotten Leon under contract for $7.5 million? We could have afforded Connelly in the summer instead of pinching pennies.

    The problem is Holland hasn’t done much better in the Chaisson or Kassian signings either.

    The NHL under a cap system is an efficiency contest involving skill/cap $ spent and neither Chiarelli nor Holland have shown a great ability to manage it optimally.

  107. JimmyV1965 says:

    Side: How were you “right” about Draisaitl’s contract in a way that would “shut up critics because they were wrong”? I’m pretty sure a lot of people made a reasonable argument that Draisaitl could have been signed for less, and a more savvy GM could have made it happen.

    Are you saying that you were “right” because you and Chiarelli, a GM known for taking on bad contracts, were on the same page with Draisaitl? I’m not sure if that’s something to be proud about.

    I think most reasonable people thought Drai was overpaid by as much as $1 mill. Most reasonable people were not too worried because they were certain it wouldn’t be an issue in a couple years. I think the same thing can be said about the Nurse contract. It will be an overpay to start, but won’t be an issue in two years. If you’re going to overpay people, these are the guys that deserve it. The Kassian contract was an overpay, and will be a worse overpay every year going forward.

    Please don’t misunderstand me. I think Godot’s vitriol toward Kassian is annoying, almost pathological and dishonest in many regards. But hey, it’s real important to be right, no matter what.

  108. russ99 says:

    GordieHoweHatTrick,

    I’m only breaking up that line to move Leon up with Connor.

    Connor had a shift with Khaira last night. Thats how bad it’s gotten.

    Get us a winger, Ken.

  109. v4ance says:

    A quick google search shows LT had Bear in the 3rd round based on numbers

  110. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Btw, have I mentioned how much I’m enjoying OP’s vacation? lol

    Haven’t posted about it in a few days but, since you mentioned it:

    https://twitter.com/coopsie39/status/1226111077286653953

    https://twitter.com/coopsie39/status/1225880339513585664

  111. russ99 says:

    GordieHoweHatTrick,

    I’m only breaking up that line to move Leon up with Connor.

    Connor had a shift with Khaira last night. Thats how bad it’s gotten.

    Get us a winger, Ken.

    JimmyV1965,

    Most people on this blog like the player type far less than the contract – wasting cap dollars on physical forecheckers/cyclers when it should all go to speedy rush players.

    A goal scorer, Connor and kassian would be a solid first line.

  112. Pescador says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Contract is fresh.

    That horse is still alive.

    Speaking of horses, will be fascinating to see what Seattle has been plotting to steal from the Oilers.
    Will it be the smart money;
    Ponies- Benning to place in the 3rd race, or Jones by a nose?
    Or perhaps they fancy an old Warhorse like Kassian or Larsson?
    The selection will say a ton about what the Management group there values, or if they bother to read the analytic memos.
    I suppose this is the one silver lining to the current shitty depth the Oilers have at forward.
    “We get to keep all the good stuff because there isn’t very much of it”
    Hahaha!
    *sobs into breakfast beer*

  113. OriginalPouzar says:

    I do think that Kass is banged up but he was struggling offensively at 1RW well before that crash in to the boards – he hasn’t really pissed a drop in 2020.

  114. Bag of Pucks says:

    OriginalPouzar: Haven’t posted about it in a few days but, since you mentioned it:

    https://twitter.com/coopsie39/status/1226111077286653953

    https://twitter.com/coopsie39/status/1225880339513585664

    More dick pics.

  115. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    Well Benson had a coffee
    He seemed a little tentative/overwhelmed and that likely limited his TOI. Hopefully makes some adjustments before the next opportunity.

  116. v4ance says:

    As much as I criticize Mike Smith, last night was a good performance I have to give him props. Other than being off his short side post on the first goal, he was really good and provided the goaltending we needed to come from behind and grab the win. This was his best game since he beat the Preds on Jan 14th in another come from behind win.

    I just wish he would have more than 3 good performances out of 10.

  117. OriginalPouzar says:

    John Chambers: I like the idea of a Kovalchuk add.

    Sure the Oilers could try Coleman out on McDavid’s flank and hope they click, but Kovalchuk has that 40-goal pedigree that could be re-ignited playing with an elite player. I think Kovy would be pretty motivated to light up the playoffs to get another big contract.

    But for next year I think Plan A should be to entice Puljujarvi to come over and play 1LW on a line with with McDavid and Kassian.

    Kovalchuk is cheap to acquire, and you start fresh next year with a spot open for JP.

    Lagesson + a 4th (becomes a 2nd if the Oilers make the conference finals)

    I agree with enticing Puljujarvi to sign a contract and come play and, if he does, he very well may earn 1LW or 1RW but there should be nothing “promised” except opportunity. He may “earn” that spot early but, by no means, does that mean he keeps it – he may start there game 1 and be moved by the 2nd period – that’s up to coach Tip!

  118. Side says:

    JimmyV1965: I think most reasonable people thought Drai was overpaid by as much as $1 mill. Most reasonable people were not too worried because they were certain it wouldn’t be an issue in a couple years. I think the same thing can be said about the Nurse contract. It will be an overpay to start, but won’t be an issue in two years. If you’re going to overpay people, these are the guys that deserve it. The Kassian contract was an overpay, and will be a worse overpay every year going forward.

    Please don’t misunderstand me. I think Godot’s vitriol toward Kassian is annoying, almost pathological and dishonest in many regards. But hey, it’s real important to be right, no matter what.

    I agree with all of this. I think it’s a good assessment of what happened.

    I am trying to figure out how godot “shut up the critics because they were wrong” though.

    I find godot often casts a wide net with his predictions and does a victory lap even when a piece of something touches his net. It’s something else.

  119. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    Really???
    I think most of the success of the 2 line option is having Drai AWAY from McD.
    Nuge can’t seem to drive the 2nd line. Drai can. Having two line threat is the main reason for their 2020 success.

  120. Jethro Tull says:

    Yep, every person you meet named Richard, take a selfie with and post!

  121. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bag of Pucks,

    Of course, I hadn’t mentioned it or posted anything about it in days – you brought me up and the vacation up…….

  122. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    Tilppet says it’s “the other knee”, but I think he is lying

  123. buck yoakam says:

    Totally agree here…the second season is the true tell of any players value to the team

  124. jtblack says:

    v4ance:
    A quick google search shows LT had Bear in the 3rd round based on numbers

    was that because of conditioning?

  125. Bag of Pucks says:

    It’s called a joke. I get that you’re seemingly humour challenged and have never posted anything remotely funny…like ever. But some people actually enjoy a laugh now and then.

  126. Lowetide says:

    v4ance:
    A quick google search shows LT had Bear in the 3rd round based on numbers

    I actually had him second round, No. 38. I also had John Marino No. 112 you rat bastards!

    https://lowetide.ca/2015/06/26/here-comes-the-sun-2/

  127. jp says:

    Woodguy v2.0: If you’re talking a mystery player who can score 50 points with McDavid on the cheap then here are a couple guys who could:

    Kassian with McDavid 2.37 pts/60
    Archibald with McDavid 2.16 pts/60
    Gagner with McDavid 1.94 pts/60

    Kassian w/o McDavid 1.05 pts/60
    Archibald w/o McDavid 1.01pts/60
    Gagner w/o McDavid 1.40 pts/60

    Players getting points with McDavid isn’t too tough.

    Kassian also had Drai with him and 97 for a lot of his TOI and the juiced the number more than the other guys.

    Would be interesting to see Archibald there for an extended stretch.

    I’d also like to see Archibald there for a stretch. And I agree there’s many players that will score with McDavid. But the other thing, as you’re well aware, is that P/60 with McDavid isn’t really what matters, it’s GF and GA.

    It’s been posted a number of times that many/most other players can do exactly what Kassian is doing on McDavid’s wing, but I still don’t fully agree (at the same time I do agree that Kassian is far from unique in what he brings).

    Here are all of McDavid’s forward linemates from the beginning of 2017-18 to present (in part because NST makes that time frame easier, but also because the playoff team was something of an anomaly statistically and the recent 3 yrs is likely a more apples to apples comparison). I’ve cut it off at 200 minutes 5v5 with McDavid since 1 point either way in a 100 minute (say) sample takes you from a 4th liner to a 1st liner (Archibald and Gagner fall out here with 111 and 97 minutes with 97 respectively).

    Looking at:
    1) Each linemates P/60 with McDavid
    2) McDavid’s P/60 with each linemate
    3) SF% and GF% for each with McDavid
    4) McDavid’s SF% and GF% without each linemate (this would be restricted to games where both players played which affects guys like Maroon and Lucic considerably, but I think also make for a more fair comparison).

    The linemates and 5v5 minutes with McDavid:
    Draisaitl- 1841
    Kassian- 1107
    Nuge —- 618
    Maroon – 524
    Lucic —- 518
    Rattie — 403
    Chiasson 349
    Puljujarvi 324
    Caggiula 288
    Neal —– 208

    5v5 P/60 with McDavid:
    Draisaitl- 3.06
    Kassian- 2.17
    Nuge —- 2.33
    Maroon – 1.83
    Lucic —- 1.51
    Rattie — 2.23
    Chiasson 1.37
    Puljujarvi 1.85
    Caggiula 2.29
    Neal —– 0.87

    McDavid P/60 with linemate:
    Draisaitl- 3.23
    Kassian- 2.82
    Nuge —- 3.10
    Maroon – 2.64
    Lucic —- 2.32
    Rattie — 3.13
    Chiasson 3.09
    Puljujarvi 2.59
    Caggiula 3.96
    Neal —– 1.73

    McDavid SF% with and without, GF% with and without each linemate:
    Draisaitl- 50.0 49.3 / 54.0 52.1
    Kassian- 48.3 50.9 / 53.1 51.7
    Nuge —- 50.6 50.5 / 56.5 52.6
    Maroon – 53.7 52.8 / 52.0 64.1 (this is how good McDavid was in 17-18)
    Lucic —- 51.1 50.6 / 51.9 54.2
    Rattie — 44.9 50.0 / 50.0 54.7
    Chiasson 42.1 49.1 / 50.0 48.9
    Puljujarvi 52.9 49.0 / 55.2 54.7
    Caggiula 45.3 51.9 / 50.0 60.8
    Neal —– 52.4 47.1 / 46.7 54.6

    So Kassian, Draisaitl, Nuge, Chiasson and Puljujarvi are the only wingers that McDavid has a better GF% with than without. That’s not a great argument that Kassian is replaceable by any 3rd line plug.

    One other factor regarding Kassian is that he’s played with McDavid in the past year. And in that timespan McDavid has struggled far more than he did before (even without Kassian as a linemate).

    McDavid’s 5v5 GF% since Jan 1st 2019 is 48.5%. That’s a travesty, but I don’t think one can blame that at all on Kassian given their GF% together in that span (accounting for 1035 of 1107 of their total minutes together) is 52.4%.

    And on Draisaitl, I’m sure his presence inflates Kassian’s scoring while on McDavid’s wing. He has not however helped GF/GA too much. Since Jan. 1st 2019:
    Draisaitl-McDavid-Kassian 717min 53.2%GF
    Draisaitl-McDavid-xxxxxxx 269min 42.1%GF
    xxxxxxx-McDavid-Kassian 318min 50.0%GF

    All together this looks to me like a player who’s helping McDavid more than most despite some other depth players being able to score at similar rates with McDavid.

  128. Lowetide says:

    New for @TheAthleticEDM
    The Oilers urgently need first-shot scorers, which means a Raphael Lavoie fast-track and a flood of additions this summer.

    https://theathletic.com/1594821/2020/02/09/lowetide-the-oilers-urgently-need-first-shot-scorers-so-expect-a-flood-of-additions-this-summer/

  129. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    BONE207:
    WG…Cracked open a Red Breast 15 that I owed him. So, so good.

    Every breast is sacred, every breast is great.
    Every breast that’s wasted, Gord gets quite irate.

    Thanks for the pregame, post game & in game updates.
    I like to read about the 1%ers lifestyle. Squid ink…yecch

    Red Breast 15 is $109, Sexton §60/bottlem

    Tapas were $7-$12, charcuterie board $37
    Mains were $44

    More like a 20%er lifestyle. 🙂

    Squid ink is wonderfully salty and goes well with…..wait for it…squid.

  130. oilsnc79 says:

    Oilsnc 79 so ya, I’ve seen a lot of crap as well. Both glory days
    N shit show did.. so f,ing happy we have a competent gm n coach.
    Kass, pick up your socks before your pay check. I just want a competitive group to take us forward. Well, I’m thinking we are close. Goil

  131. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Pescador: With the scoring numbers that Coleman is posting, you’re adding a 2021 1st round pick.
    And you probably miss out when someone else offers their 1st in this years draft

    He’s not famous.

    Kreider will probably get a 1st.

    Pageau *might* but there’s already talk that he won’t.

    That’s the only two I see this year.

    The odds of Coleman getting a first are probably not far off BoP satisfying your wife while wearing OP’s Oilers Speedo.

  132. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    JimmyV1965: But hey, it’s real important to be right, no matter what.

    Welcome to the comments section at Lowetide’s.

    Here’s your copy of Let It Bleed and a hardcover version of “How to win an argument” by Cicero

  133. Munny says:

    jp: I’d also like to see Archibald there for a stretch. And I agree there’s many players that will score with McDavid. But the other thing, as you’re well aware, is that P/60 with McDavid isn’t really what matters, it’s GF and GA.

    It’s been posted a number of times that many/most other players can do exactly what Kassian is doing on McDavid’s wing, but I still don’t fully agree (at the same time I do agree that Kassian is far from unique in what he brings).

    Here are all of McDavid’s forward linemates from the beginning of 2017-18 to present (in part because NST makes that time frame easier, but also because the playoff team was something of an anomaly statistically and the recent 3 yrs is likely a more apples to apples comparison). I’ve cut it off at 200 minutes 5v5 with McDavid since 1 point either way in a 100 minute (say) sample takes you from a 4th liner to a 1st liner (Archibald and Gagner fall out here with 111 and 97 minutes with 97 respectively).

    Looking at:
    1) Each linemates P/60 with McDavid
    2) McDavid’s P/60 with each linemate
    3) SF% and GF% for each with McDavid
    4) McDavid’s SF% and GF% without each linemate (this would be restricted to games where both players played which affects guys like Maroon and Lucic considerably, but I think also make for a more fair comparison).

    The linemates and 5v5 minutes with McDavid:
    Draisaitl- 1841
    Kassian- 1107
    Nuge —- 618
    Maroon – 524
    Lucic —- 518
    Rattie — 403
    Chiasson 349
    Puljujarvi 324
    Caggiula 288
    Neal —– 208

    5v5 P/60 with McDavid:
    Draisaitl- 3.06
    Kassian- 2.17
    Nuge —- 2.33
    Maroon – 1.83
    Lucic —- 1.51
    Rattie — 2.23
    Chiasson 1.37
    Puljujarvi 1.85
    Caggiula 2.29
    Neal —– 0.87

    McDavid P/60 with linemate:
    Draisaitl- 3.23
    Kassian- 2.82
    Nuge —- 3.10
    Maroon – 2.64
    Lucic —- 2.32
    Rattie — 3.13
    Chiasson 3.09
    Puljujarvi 2.59
    Caggiula 3.96
    Neal —– 1.73

    McDavid SF% with and without, GF% with and without each linemate:
    Draisaitl- 50.0 49.3 / 54.0 52.1
    Kassian- 48.3 50.9 / 53.1 51.7
    Nuge —- 50.6 50.5 / 56.5 52.6
    Maroon – 53.7 52.8 / 52.0 64.1 (this is how good McDavid was in 17-18)
    Lucic —- 51.1 50.6 / 51.9 54.2
    Rattie — 44.9 50.0 / 50.0 54.7
    Chiasson 42.1 49.1 / 50.0 48.9
    Puljujarvi 52.9 49.0 / 55.2 54.7
    Caggiula 45.3 51.9 / 50.0 60.8
    Neal —– 52.4 47.1 / 46.7 54.6

    So Kassian, Draisaitl, Nuge, Chiasson and Puljujarvi are the only wingers that McDavid has a better GF% with than without. That’s not a great argument that Kassian is replaceable by any 3rd line plug.

    One other factor regarding Kassian is that he’s played with McDavid in the past year. And in that timespan McDavid has struggled far more than he did before (even without Kassian as a linemate).

    McDavid’s 5v5 GF% since Jan 1st 2019 is 48.5%. That’s a travesty, but I don’t think one can blame that at all on Kassian given their GF% together in that span (accounting for 1035 of 1107 of their total minutes together) is 52.4%.

    And on Draisaitl, I’m sure his presence inflates Kassian’s scoring while on McDavid’s wing. He has not however helped GF/GA too much. Since Jan. 1st 2019:
    Draisaitl-McDavid-Kassian 717min 53.2%GF
    Draisaitl-McDavid-xxxxxxx 269min 42.1%GF
    xxxxxxx-McDavid-Kassian 318min 50.0%GF

    All together this looks to me like a player who’s helping McDavid more than most despite some other depth players being able to score at similar rates with McDavid.

    This is an excellent analysis, and a lot of work, thank you for adding to the discussion.

  134. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Given his solid woodmoneys, Weegar and Vatrano for Larsson and Chaisson would be an exceptional trade for the Oil as well imo. Might need to sweeten it with Puli instead of Chiasson.

    Of course the challenge here is the Panthers are analytics savvy so they likely already realize the value contract/player they have with Weegar.

    Panthers use more analytics in drafting than in pro player evaluation.

    Taking Weegan for Larsson would be amazing, I wouldn’t doubt Tallon would be interested, and the media would trumpet it as a Tallon win walking away.

    God I love that idea.

    Having looked at him recently, are his fancies holding up?

  135. Victoria Oil says:

    Woodguy v2.0: He’s not famous.

    Kreider will probably get a 1st.

    Pageau *might* but there’s already talk that he won’t.

    That’s the only two I see this year.

    The odds of Coleman getting a first are probably not far off BoP satisfying your wife while wearing OP’s Oilers Speedo.

    Funniest post of the day.

  136. Shane says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Welcome to the comments section at Lowetide’s.

    Here’s your copy of Let It Bleed and a hardcover version of “How to win an argument” by Cicero

    You, sir, are on fire today.

  137. Munny says:

    Maybe LT can confirm, but pretty sure there is a draft eligible prospect this year by the name of Jaroslav Pouzar.

  138. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    jp: And on Draisaitl, I’m sure his presence inflates Kassian’s scoring while on McDavid’s wing. He has not however helped GF/GA too much. Since Jan. 1st 2019:
    Draisaitl-McDavid-Kassian 717min 53.2%GF
    Draisaitl-McDavid-xxxxxxx 269min 42.1%GF
    xxxxxxx-McDavid-Kassian 318min 50.0%GF

    Good post.

    Interested in the part I quoted.

    Curious why you picked Jan 1, 2019 as your start date?

    Not accusing you of cooking your sample size, honestly curious.

    If we use “this season and last season” so Oct 2018 instead of Jan 2019 until today we see:

    Draisaitl-McDavid-Kassian 725min 53.7%GF
    Draisaitl-McDavid-xxxxxxx 617min 52.0%GF
    xxxxxxx-McDavid-Kassian 336min 48.4%GF
    xxxxxxx-McDavid-xxxxxxx 592min 45.5%GF

    Takes the shine off Kassian a bit and is a reasonable sample.

    If we add in 17/18 so we have “this season and last two seasons” we see:

    Draisaitl-McDavid-Kassian 727min 54.2%GF
    Draisaitl-McDavid-xxxxxxx 1113min 53.9%GF
    xxxxxxx-McDavid-Kassian 380min 50.0%GF
    xxxxxxx-McDavid-xxxxxxx 1392min 52.1%GF

    Still a reasonable sample and now Kassian looks like a drag.

  139. hunter1909 says:

    v4ance:
    As much as I criticize Mike Smith, last night was a good performance I have to give him props.Other than being off his short side post on the first goal, he was really good and provided the goaltending we needed to come from behind and grab the win.This was his best game since he beat the Preds on Jan 14th in another come from behind win.

    I just wish he would have more than 3 good performances out of 10.

    I too have had a newfound respect for Mike Smith ever since he beat up Cam Talbot. Talbot even said he knew he was getting a beating. Amazing goalie you can see how he effects the team.

  140. hunter1909 says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Taking Weegan for Larsson would be amazing, I wouldn’t doubt Tallon would be interested, and the media would trumpet it as a Tallon win walking away.

    Pity about Larsson. He’s going to be 10X the player for his next team.

  141. Munny says:

    From what I know of Coleman—which could probably be written on the inside flap of a book of matches—is that his passing is nowhere near as strong as his finishing. He’s closer to Chiasson than Kassian in this regard.

    Obviously depends on price because every team should be looking to add to scoring where affordable… but I’m not convinced he’s the solution to McDavid LWer.

    Now if its a pump and dump where we acquire him to play with 97 and then sell him for profit at the 2021 TD, he would definitely work.

    Holly preaches stability though…. not sure he’s a yearly pump and dump kind of guy.

  142. hunter1909 says:

    JimmyV1965: Please don’t misunderstand me. I think Godot’s vitriol toward Kassian is annoying, almost pathological and dishonest in many regards.

    Kassian is the kind of player you never can count on but when you least expect it he will overpay which led to his slightly bloated deal which compared to some of the dross handed out since 2010 is no worse than the Draisaitl deal.

    Nurse worries me on the other hand where Draisaitl never did. Has he really shown enough for a contract like this? Does the team risk everything going south simply based on media/agent sabre rattling over a still undeveloped player?

  143. hunter1909 says:

    Oilers will fast track that big kid from Canadian juniors to star on McDavid’s wing next season.

  144. jp says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Good post.

    Interested in the part I quoted.

    Curious why you picked Jan 1, 2019 as your start date?

    Not accusing you of cooking your sample size, honestly curious.

    If we use “this season and last season” so Oct 2018 instead of Jan 2019until today we see:

    Draisaitl-McDavid-Kassian 725min 53.7%GF
    Draisaitl-McDavid-xxxxxxx 617min 52.0%GF
    xxxxxxx-McDavid-Kassian 336min 48.4%GF
    xxxxxxx-McDavid-xxxxxxx 592min 45.5%GF

    Takes the shine off Kassian a bit and is a reasonable sample.

    If we add in 17/18 so we have “this season and last two seasons” we see:

    Draisaitl-McDavid-Kassian727min 54.2%GF
    Draisaitl-McDavid-xxxxxxx 1113min 53.9%GF
    xxxxxxx-McDavid-Kassian380min 50.0%GF
    xxxxxxx-McDavid-xxxxxxx 1392min 52.1%GF

    Still a reasonable sample and now Kassian looks like a drag.

    The main reason was because that’s when Kassian started playing with McDavid regularly. But also because McDavid’s GF% numbers generally tanked (relative to his past) somewhere around then.

    Since McDavid generally hasn’t outscored as much in that last calendar year I feel like Kassian’s ‘with’ numbers probably suffer relative to Maroon as an example.

    It’s been posited a number of times that Kassian might be part of McDavid’s numbers dropping off in this time frame, but I think my numbers show that’s very unlikely to be the cause. Jan 1st 2019 to now definitely doesn’t paint Draisaitl’s full body of work with McDavid fairly though.

  145. hunter1909 says:

    flea: Kassian goes into the boards hard in the second period. Since then he’s been battling it. Maybe an injury?
    I like Kassian, I’m sure getting this contract has maybe changed his perspective a bit. To go from the bottom to here it has to be immensely satisfying. I’ll give him a little bit of time to settle back into day to day life as a player.
    I hate as soon as guys sign big contracts the knives are instantly out. What if we didn’t know anything about the contract values. Would Kass be getting the same flack on here? Maybe some – he hasn’t been good- but I doubt the volume of vitriol that has been spewing out of several posters since he signed.
    Looking forward to seeing him in the playoffs.

    Thank you Flea. It’s sickening how hate for Kassian infects ordinarily rational fans. Kassian Derangement Syndrome.

  146. Munny says:

    I wonder what would happen if Edmonton and Vancouver both phoned the Director of Sports at Rogers and said, “He-ey… we know HNIC is a big deal considering the money you paid the League, but we’re resting McDavid and Petterson every Saturday night till the League proves it is interested in protecting its star players. Maybe call up Mr. Bettman and Mr. Campbell and Mr. Walkom and Mr. Parros and see if they can help us out.”

    Now teams can’t actually do this because points are important, but I wonder if the best angle at the Laague Head Office is through the guys paying their bills, who in turn depend on viewers tuning in to watch their heroes…

  147. Munny says:

    fries n gravy:
    Bear was available in the 5th round partly because teams were concerned about his conditioning and commitment to being a pro.Oilers placed a bet that he’d figure it out.It took awhile but he did.He’s playing at 190lbs now and delivering what the pre-draft math said he had in him.

    Well done, young man.

    Thank you. Please keep the tasty tidbits coming where possible.

    This report is kind of reminiscent of the book on Doughty pre-draft.

  148. Material Elvis says:

    Thought you were going to say pasta.

  149. hunter1909 says:

    Munny:
    I wonder what would happen if Edmonton and Vancouver both phoned the Director of Sports at Rogers and said, “He-ey… we know HNIC is a big deal considering the money you paid the League, but we’re resting McDavid and Petterson every Saturday night till the League proves it is interested in protecting its star players.Maybe call up Mr. Bettman and Mr. Campbell and Mr. Walkom and Mr. Parros and see if they can help us out.”

    Now teams can’t actually do this because points are important, but I wonder if the best angle at the Laague Head Office is through the guys paying their bills, who in turn depend on viewers tuning in to watch their heroes…

    McDavid’s getting “The Treatment” and the only time players were protected were when Montreal ran over everyone winning endless cups with John Ferguson, Flyers were set up to protect super rat Bobby Clarke, and Oilers humiliated opponents with Gretzky + Semenko/Messier/Anderson/McSorely etc etc.

    The problem is McDavid not only dominates play but he routinely makes these players look like fools. This makes them mad. So, if all of a sudden you have a bunch of opposition players mad enough to injure McDavid, what are your options? Lobby to the refs to enforce more penalties? They won’t do it. The NHL isn’t set up to respond to pressure, and so this line simply won’t fly.

    Therefore: Kassian gets paid. And Khiara stays on the roster. Help us all lol

  150. Woogie63 says:

    Would Detroit trade Zetterberg for Gagner this year?

    I think that trade once Zetterberg was placed on LTIR, we give us another $3.1M in cap relief, to up the player we got to play with Connor.

    Detroit is out this year, don’t need the relief, and they would get out of paying his salary next year. The Oiler’s need the relief??

  151. Munny says:

    Leavins comment on Larsson in his 9 Things is quite revealing.

    This means the worry about Larsson’s game has extended beyond the stats and blogging communities and into mainstream punditry. And thus obviously, pro-scouting.

    Does not bode well for the player or the org.

  152. v4ance says:

    hunter1909: Pity about Larsson. He’s going to be 10X the player for his next team.

    I alluded to it before but what if this is the pending cliff for Larsson just like it was for Smid in his 29 year old season. They both play a similar hard nosed style that may wear them out faster than other less robust defencemen.

    When we traded Smid for Broissoit, I remember lots of people were complaining that we were giving up the hard nosed playoff style defenceman that we needed for a balanced team. In the immediate aftermath of the trade, some basic corsi % numbers were posted showing that Smid was handily losing the possession battle in his last year with Edmonton. That didn’t sway the gritensity crowd but Smid was literally out of the NHL 3 years later.

    If this is the cliff, Holland should be calling other GMs seeing if they’re interested in Russell and slowing falling back to Larsson in a “oh okay, you can take this better D” con game.

  153. Munny says:

    That’s why you have the guys shelling out the big bucks (the Networks) do the lobbying.

  154. hunter1909 says:

    Just caught the last 5 minutes of Buffalo v Anaheim in the battle of Oilers coaches and Eakins won tonight poor freaking Buffalo both teams resemble the pre-McDraisaitl Oilers lol it was literally like watching the Oilers playing the Oilers when the Oilers really used to be the worst.

    Poor Buffalo fans.

  155. London Jon says:

    jp: This one sounds plausible.

    Was it London John who’s wife was more than a little taken upon meeting the big bald man? (Maybe it was some other poster)

    Yep, that was my wife. Although she’s really in love with Oscar Klefbom – but then who isn’t?

    We had a quick chat with Zach at breakfast in Toronto – very softly spoken, but well spoken. super polite.

  156. JimmyV1965 says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Welcome to the comments section at Lowetide’s.

    Here’s your copy of Let It Bleed and a hardcover version of “How to win an argument” by Cicero

    Well, at least it’s my favourite Stones album.

  157. JimmyV1965 says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Welcome to the comments section at Lowetide’s.

    Here’s your copy of Let It Bleed and a hardcover version of “How to win an argument” by Cicero

    The weird thing I almost always agree with Godot. It’s the delivery.

  158. Pescador says:

    Woodguy v2.0: He’s not famous.

    Kreider will probably get a 1st.

    Pageau *might* but there’s already talk that he won’t.

    That’s the only two I see this year.

    The odds of Coleman getting a first are probably not far off BoP satisfying your wife while wearing OP’s Oilers Speedo.

    Haha,
    She would want it to be a Pit Penguin speedo, but aside from that…
    Hopefully BoP can swing by on his way to that barn out in Sylvan lake

  159. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Pescador: Speaking of horses, will be fascinating to see what Seattle has been plotting to steal from the Oilers.
    Will it be the smart money;
    Ponies- Benning to place in the 3rd race, or Jones by a nose?
    Or perhaps they fancy an old Warhorse like Kassian or Larsson?
    The selection will say a ton about what the Management group there values, or if they bother to read the analytic memos.
    I suppose this is the one silver lining to the current shitty depth the Oilers have at forward.
    “We get to keep all the good stuff because there isn’t very much of it”
    Hahaha!
    *sobs into breakfast beer*

    I can’t speculate fully until the next season’s roster is set.

    My early horse is Jones.

    Agreed that they don’t have enough *high* end talent to worry too much.

    *sticks more pins in my Chiarelli doll*

  160. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Side,

    I am trying to figure out how godot “shut up the critics because they were wrong” though.

    Critics shut up?

    Hi Side, you must be new. My name is Woodguy, welcome to Lowetide’s comments section.

  161. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    GordieHoweHatTrick:
    Tilppet says it’s “the other knee”, but I think he is lying

    It is the other knee.

    His right knee piled into the boards last night.

    Left knee was the one he rehabbed

  162. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    You’re sweet.

  163. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Residual Whiskey.

    Is there anything it can’t do?

  164. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    hunter1909:
    Just caught the last 5 minutes of Buffalo v Anaheim in the battle of Oilers coaches and Eakins won tonight poor freaking Buffalo both teams resemble the pre-McDraisaitl Oilers lol it was literally like watching the Oilers playing the Oilers when the Oilers really used to be the worst.

    Poor Buffalo fans.

    What could the Oilers pry out of Buffalo to help the team? Say for example with a 3rd round 2021 pick?

  165. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    I honestly doubt it.

    It’s too bad.

  166. Bank Shot says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I can’t speculate fully until the next season’s roster is set.

    My early horse is Jones.

    Agreed that they don’t have enough *high* end talent to worry too much.

    *sticks more pins in my Chiarelli doll*

    The thing about defencemen is that they are very vulnerable to being plucked by an expansion team.

    Most good teams have four good defenders and also enough good forwards that they are forced to go 7-3.

    Which means Seattle gets a lot of choice on defenders. Will Jones be among the best 7 defensemen available to Seattle in the draft?

    Jones will be waiver eligible after next season right? So he will need to establish himself as a bonafide NHL defender with upside before being at risk of being taken by Seattle.

    This is still up to debate. All in all the Oilers aren’t really looking like they have much to worry about in the Seattle expansion.

  167. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    It’s called a joke. I get that you’re seemingly humour challenged and have never posted anything remotely funny…like ever. But some people actually enjoy a laugh now and then.

    I thought jokes were supposed to be funny?

    I’m the one humor challenged?

    Seems subjective.

  168. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    I know it was his left that was rehabbed. Looked like he pounded them both about equally and then he seemed to be favouring the left at a face-off and during the game…but maybe I am incorrect.

  169. Munny says:

    Woodguy v2.0: It is the other knee.

    His right knee piled into the boards last night.

    Left knee was the one he rehabbed

    Before I commit this to memory, I need to ask…. were any phones involved in the posting of this comment?

    😉

  170. OriginalPouzar says:

    Colby cave recalled.

  171. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    Colby Cave coming up….

  172. Munny says:

    Matheson twitted earlier today that it was kind of weird that Tippett told the media Neal did not skate on Saturday and that his ankle was really sore… and then Benson is sent down.

    Another shoe to drop?

    A call-up? Trade? Neal is actually good to go? Saving incremental cap space?

  173. Munny says:

    And my question is answered before I hit Post Comment.

    Thanks, gents.

  174. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    Maybe the were really unimpressed with Benson…?
    Which would be “upsetting”.

  175. Nit64 says:

    ~ Cave Up is fine. It’s the Cave In that’s concerning. ~

  176. pts2pndr says:

    Loved the black paint on a bingo card,??

  177. Munny says:

    I worry about the bad seeds.

  178. godot10 says:

    JimmyV1965:

    Please don’t misunderstand me. I think Godot’s vitriol toward Kassian is annoying, almost pathological and dishonest in many regards. But hey, it’s real important to be right, no matter what.

    I was for signing Pitlick over Kassian. He was/is an unreliable hockey player. He mostly underperformed his current contract, and he will massively underperform the one he just signed. And he doesn’t PK well. If a player is unreliable and cannot PK, unless they are a one shot scorer, they are basically #lessthanzero hockey players.

    Unreliable hockey players don’t suddenly become reliable at 30.

  179. OriginalPouzar says:

    Woogie63:
    Would Detroit trade Zetterberg for Gagner this year?

    I think that trade once Zetterberg was placed on LTIR, we give us another $3.1M in cap relief, to up the player we got to play with Connor.

    Detroit is out this year, don’t need the relief, and they would get out of paying his salary next year.The Oiler’s need the relief??

    This would decrease our cap space next off-season by $6M plus.

    Using off-season LTIR as a strategy would be a fireable offence for Holland so they would need to get cap compliant on day 1 with Zetterberg’s $6M, then place him on LTIR to get an LTIR bonus cushion – of course, now its October and team building assets are gone.

    Not to mention, using LTIR bonus relief would be highly limiting to in-season cap management and acquisitions – team would accumulate zero cap space daily to bank for later use.

  180. pts2pndr says:

    In fairness Gagner and Chaison can not keep up with Connor. Kassian on the two on one would have had a far better chance to cash. Regardless of the anyone can get points with Connor they should be plus skaters. Gagner and Chaisson are not Hass along with Archibald would be worth a try as both can skate and both are good defensively.

  181. stephen sheps says:

    No. There’s nothing it can’t do. I could have some right now. Currently lacking in Irish whiskies, though I have enough scotch to kill multiple horses.

    Though to be fair I thought the consensus was that sticky fingers, not let it bleed was the best stones album that isn’t exile. I could be wrong. That conversation was a very long time ago.

  182. who says:

    OilClog:
    Imo watching a coach cause a players head to spin and not understand what’s happening between Coach and Kassian.

    To follow up by replacing him with the male nipples of hockey Alex Chiasson on the McDavid line is truly a great mind fuck. Chiasson is every bit as bad in the D zone as Kassian, his fore check is completely soft and disengaged, if it’s literally not a one timer coming off his stick it’s a give away. His passing ability makes Larsson come across as a dynamo.

    Gagner on the McDavid line isn’t peachy but at least his offensive puck iq is still there and he has a chance to create, which is why he should strictly be on a soft skill line.

    If you’re going to remove the speed and forecheck of Kassian from McDavid, you still need to replace that speed and forecheck and it isn’t name Alex Chiasson. Archibald literally just filled in for a 2 game suspension and not at one point during that time did he look like male nipples on a hockey stick 5×5 as Alex Chiasson.

    And Yes Kassian big bald head was in Larssons way, how about Larsson hold the line or at least attempt to contend with Johansen as he brings the puck in nope, Johansen drives to the corner sends the puck back to Josi, Point shot, pile of bodies infront, puck gets blocked in a scramble, lands on Preds stick.

    But it’s all Kassian’s fault because Larsson skated into him? I just watch Larsson pull the Kris Russell special, then not come flying back into the sortie on his belly like a madman because that’s the 2nd scene of the Kris Russell special. But eh it’s Kassian’s fault.

    Wasn’t Larsson acquired and paid to Punish guys trying to bring to puck in across the blue line against the boards? Isn’t that his Kingdom? Lagesson would of rode him down the boards all the way into the corner, with no easy dish back to the open Josi at the point. Imo.

    Again, it was Jones’s man who scored the goal.
    Blaming Larrson seems just as silly as blaming Kassian.

  183. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    jp: The main reason was because that’s when Kassian started playing with McDavid regularly. But also because McDavid’s GF% numbers generally tanked (relative to his past) somewhere around then.

    Since McDavid generally hasn’t outscored as much in that last calendar year I feel like Kassian’s ‘with’ numbers probably suffer relative to Maroon as an example.

    It’s been posited a number of times that Kassian might be part of McDavid’s numbers dropping off in this time frame, but I think my numbers show that’s very unlikely to be the cause. Jan 1st 2019 to now definitely doesn’t paint Draisaitl’s full body of work with McDavid fairly though.

    My opinion is that:

    Kassian is JAG (just a guy) with 97. There is no magic there, but he can play there and that’s important.

    Also,

    Agreed that EDM had great goalering/defending (peak Sexsey) during 16/17, but 17/18 it wasn’t good and that’s as far back as my sample went.

    In 17/18 we see this:

    McDavid w/ Maroon – 523.5min – 52% GF
    McDavid w/o Maroon – 819.5min – 59.8% GF

    So in the sample I used Maroon’s results with 97 are very similar to Kassian’s.

  184. pts2pndr says:

    Humour check
    Why do sharks not eat lawyers?
    Professional courtesy?

  185. Nit64 says:

    For a mathy blog, there is something incredibly small about pile diving on players and gms over individual game events. Maybe we could come up with an new term for this blog phenom. How about Confirmation Bias?

    Also if this is where the blog is going perhaps a new site name would be appropriate if this is the place to haggle over who gets which half of the blame on each goal allowed. Perhaps Half Boards?

    Just sayin’

  186. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    GordieHoweHatTrick:
    Colby Cave coming up….

    Uh-oh. Paranoid thought.
    What if they need a centreman instead of a winger and that is why Cave is coming up and Benson went down??
    Time to find my medication…

  187. Nit64 says:

    Yep. Full Moon.

  188. Dustylegnd says:

    GordieHoweHatTrick:
    Maybe the were really unimpressed with Benson…?
    Which would be “upsetting”.

    well they obviously were not impressed by him and quickly determined he was not ready/could not help vs other options….or he would still be here

  189. who says:

    v4ance:
    I’m one of those Drai contract critics.I felt Chia overpaid by $1 million. (along with Russell along with Lucic… etc etc)

    It doesn’t mean that Drai isn’t value at $8.5 million right now.That’s a credit to Draisaitl’s competitiveness and skill.

    But can you imagine if we had gotten Leon under contract for $7.5 million?We could have afforded Connelly in the summer instead of pinching pennies.

    The problem is Holland hasn’t done much better in the Chaisson or Kassian signings either.

    The NHL under a cap system is an efficiency contest involving skill/cap $ spent and neither Chiarelli nor Holland have shown a great ability to manage it optimally.

    The Draisaitl contract was one of the best things Chia did.
    You can argue it should have been for 1 million less but you weren’t in the negotiations. What if Drai wasn’t willing to sign for 8 years for less money? Do you sign him to a 2 year bridge for 5 million? And then sign him last summer for 8 x 11? Cause that’s what the market would be for 50 goal scorers.
    Part of signing a young player long term involves projecting where he is going to get to. Sure it’s a bit of a gamble, but Chia rolled the dice and won.
    He locked up a young, budding superstar for 8 years at 8.5 million. It was a great signing. Can’t we at least give him credit for that?

  190. Dustylegnd says:

    pts2pndr:
    Humour check
    Why do sharks not eat lawyers?
    Professional courtesy

    what do you call 1000 lawyers at the bottom of the ocean? a good start …..#overhead

  191. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Lowetide: I actually had him second round, No. 38. I also had John Marino No. 112 you rat bastards!

    https://lowetide.ca/2015/06/26/here-comes-the-sun-2/

    But Marino has a weak face look where that got you!

  192. hunter1909 says:

    London Jon: We had a quick chat with Zach at breakfast in Toronto – very softly spoken, but well spoken. super polite.

    Typical psycho behavior lol

  193. Scungilli Slushy says:

    godot10: I was for signing Pitlick over Kassian. He was/is an unreliable hockey player.He mostly underperformed his current contract, and he will massively underperform the one he just signed.And he doesn’t PK well.If a player is unreliable and cannot PK, unless they are a one shot scorer, they are basically #lessthanzero hockey players.

    Unreliable hockey players don’t suddenly become reliable at 30.

    Your analysis is not incorporating a key factor. This always leads to wrong conclusions.

    Kassian was not signed because he’s a mid nhl player which he’s paid like.

    He was signed because he can skate pass and shoot at an nhl level AND knows his purpose which in Tips own words is to ‘keep the flies off’.

    You are an academic no?

    If you’re going to critic the signing at least base it on the mistake Holland made in decision making which was overpaying for fighting.

    Anything else is in honesty disingenuous and as JT said an Oilers speedo from trolling.

    If you won’t honestly engage the issue and want to argue, if it isn’t trolling what is it?

  194. hunter1909 says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Side,

    I am trying to figure out how godot “shut up the critics because they were wrong” though.

    Critics shut up?

    Hi Side, you must be new. My name is Woodguy, welcome to Lowetide’s comments section.

    @ Woodguy;

    You had one of the greatest days of your life yesterday…with whisky, Oilers winning in incredible fashion right before your eyes to top off a great time. Wishing nothing but happiness for you.

    We all know this because today your sparkling wit is on view for all to see.

  195. jtblack says:

    Kassian is a JAG. Love it ….

    With half of this yr, Kass has 4.5 yrs remaining. The truth is when Kassian hasn’t been zoomed by All time greats (Sedins, McDavid), Kass has never put up much offense That’s who he is.

    Maybe Ken ok with who Zack is and thunks the contract is fair.

    I also laugh when the best rebuttal supporters of the contract have is “we can buy him out in year 3 or 4”.

    $3.5 mil – E Staal, Rust, Hagelin, Connolly,Tanev, Komarov, Foligno
    $3.25 mil – Colangilo, Burakovsky, Z Smith, Dzingel, Dvorak

    Interesting comparables

  196. hunter1909 says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Your analysis is not incorporating a key factor. This always leads to wrong conclusions.

    Kassian was not signed because he’s a mid nhl player which he’s paid like.

    He was signed because he can skate pass and shoot at an nhl level AND knows his purpose which in Tips own words is to ‘keep the flies off’.

    You are an academic no?

    If you’re going to critic the signing at least base it on the mistake Holland made in decision making which was overpaying for fighting.

    Anything else is in honesty disingenuous and as JT said an Oilers speedo from trolling.

    If you won’t honestly engage the issue and want to argue, if it isn’t trolling what is it?

    To be fair for years I railed against Lowe+MacT to the point I might as well have copywritten the logo.

  197. Reja says:

    Nit64:
    For a mathy blog, there is something incredibly small about pile diving on players and gms over individual game events. Maybe we could come up with an new term for this blog phenom. How about Confirmation Bias?

    Also if this is where the blog is going perhaps a new site name would be appropriate if this is the place to haggle over who gets which half of the blame on each goal allowed. Perhaps Half Boards?

    Just sayin’

    Edmonton tough place to play one of the reasons it cost more or players just choose not to sign here even with the inflated price tag.

  198. jtblack says:

    McKenzie tweeting 2 yrs × $5.5 for Nurse ….

  199. JOFA says:

    Extremely dumb move by Holland IMO. Two bad deals in two weeks. Chia not looking so bad. Hahaha

  200. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    v4ance: I alluded to it before but what if this is the pending cliff for Larsson just like it was for Smid in his 29 year old season.They both play a similar hard nosed style that may wear them out faster than other less robust defencemen.

    When we traded Smid for Broissoit, I remember lots of people were complaining that we were giving up the hard nosed playoff style defenceman that we needed for a balanced team.In the immediate aftermath of the trade, some basic corsi % numbers were posted showing that Smid was handily losing the possession battle in his last year with Edmonton.That didn’t sway the gritensity crowd but Smid was literally out of the NHL 3 years later.

    If this is the cliff, Holland should be calling other GMs seeing if they’re interested in Russell and slowing falling back to Larsson in a “oh okay, you can take this better D” con game.

    BoP’s suggestion of Weegar for Larsson is pure gold and I bet Tallon would do it.

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