Brand New Day

We’re going to be waiting at this stop for some time, friends. We can waste as much time as we want on that big blue Alberta sky, find a girl to dance with, uncover the demon liquor Grandpa hides in the shop, fix the fence, take back the empties, play those damn sad songs that make us blue and fret about the worries for days. There’s also a little time to talk hockey. Here we go.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of The Athletic, less than two coffees a month offer here. 

  • New Lowetide: NHL season on hold might impact Oilers evaluations, summer plans
  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman and Jonathan Willis: Key questions surround Oilers in wake of NHL’s coronavirus suspension
  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman and Murat Ates: ‘It hits you so hard’: Health crisis puts vital Oilers-Jets game in perspective
  • New Jonathan Willis: Mikko Koskinen vs. Mike Smith: Who starts Game 1 for the Oilers?
  • Lowetide: Oilers’ Ryan Nugent-Hopkins has found a home as a winger
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Q&A: GM Ken Holland on Oilers’ playoff push, offseason plans and Hart thoughts
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Oilers observations: Mikko Koskinen comes through in offensive power outage
  • Jonathan Willis: Evan Bouchard, Tyler Benson and more: 20 observations on the Bakersfield Condors
  • Lowetide: Caleb Jones represents Oilers template for development success
  • Jonathan Willis: Rookie pros Dmitri Samorukov, Kirill Maksimov learning in Oilers’ system
  • Lowetide: Oscar Klefbom’s return and usage a key element for Oilers stretch run
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: How ‘little firecracker’ Josh Archibald went from unknown to vital with Oilers
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Determining Connor McDavid’s linemates remains a pressing and perplexing problem
  • Lowetide: Reasonable expectations for Andreas Athanasiou and Tyler Ennis over the next 15 games.
  • Jonathan Willis: Ryan McLeod offers the Oilers size and speed. But will he score in the NHL?
  • Jonathan Willis: Which players pose the biggest threat to Leon Draisaitl winning the Hart Trophy?
  • Lowetide: How the Oilers deadline deals might alter summer plans
  • Jonathan Willis: Splitting Connor McDavid and Leon Draisaitl saved the Oilers’ season
  • Lowetide: Is the OHL still the Oilers’ primary resource at the draft?
  • Lowetide: The Oilers’ 2017 draft and the value of waiting five years

OILERS PROSPECT NHLE’S

Players in yellow are outside entry deals and older players. Players in red are either in junior hockey or AHL, and their NHLE’s suggest that they may bring enough offense to the NHL for that area of their game to be considered a strength. Evan Bouchard would certainly be at the top of that list. All of Bouchard, Benson and Lavoie should have feature roles in Edmonton or Bakersfield.

I would look for major spikes from Samorukov, McLeod, Maksimov and possibly Safin in Bakersfield 2020-21. The goalies are an interesting group, curious about where Rodrigue lands and what the team does with Konovalov summer 2021.

THE GRADUATING CLASS

As you know, I have been doing a summer and winter Top 20 prospects list since the early part of the century. From my summer 2019 list, several players have graduated: Kailer Yamamoto, Ethan Bear, Caleb Jones and John Marino all eclipsed 50 NHL games during the 2019-20 season.

That means we’ll see the weakest Top 20 list in at least a decade coming up the day after the draft in 2020. Evan Bouchard, Philip Broberg, Tyler Benson, Dmitri Samorukov and Raphael Lavoie will be the top prospects in the system, along with the first-round selection in 2020. I do think we’ll see Ken Holland add some picks on draft weekend.

THE 2020 DRAFT

I’ll be able to give better updates on the 2020 draft with this extra time but Edmonton has only five selections at this time: No. 20, No. 82 (Neal trade unlikely to include a pick now), No. 144, No. 175, No. 206.

The No. 20 selection is extremely likely to be a scoring forward and I wouldn’t be surprised if it is a center.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

We hit the air at 10 this morning, TSN1260. Steve Lansky from BigMouthSports will talk about the media’s handling of the early hours of leagues suspending play, and about how to produce major sporting events without an audience. Matt Iwanyk will pop in with a list of 10 things to do while we wait for normal. 10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. Talk soon!

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199 Responses to "Brand New Day"

  1. 106 and 106 says:

    There was so much chatter about the upcoming schedule and how the Oilers looked so tired the last 4 games, at least they will come back fully rested!!!!

  2. Rickety Cricket says:

    Tip has organized virtual practice on NHL 20. The team should come back looking sharp.

  3. Brantford Boy says:

    Brooks Hatlen… The world went and got itself in a big damn hurry.

    Getting back to hockey…
    LT… No. 82 (Neal trade unlikely to include a pick now)… F U Flames, take that! *spits

  4. Halfwise says:

    I hope they all come back healthy. Hard to know what kind of toll this thing will take and what its aftereffects will be for those who caught it.

    In my social circle, family and work all of a sudden no one is getting together in person. That’s weird, and will take some getting used to.

    If you have some local retail businesses please find a way to patronize them. The drop in traffic could put many under.

  5. jonrmcleod says:

    I haven’t been paying attention since the announcement of a suspended season. Are teams allowed to practice, or has everything stopped?

  6. Harpers Hair says:

    jonrmcleod:
    I haven’t been paying attention since the announcement of a suspended season. Are teams allowed to practice, or has everything stopped?

    All team activities including practices and team meetings prohibited.

  7. Halfwise says:

    Excellent update and analysis at the link below.

    80% of those who get this will suffer only mild symptoms. It’s the remainder that will stress the medical system.
    “Around 20% of cases require hospitalization, 5% of cases require the Intensive Care Unit (ICU), and around 2.5% require very intensive help, with items such as ventilators or ECMO (extra-corporeal oxygenation).”

    https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca

    • Jordan says:

      I agree about the value of this article. I’ve been sharing it with family to ensure they understand what’s actually happening, and what that likely means for those of us in Edmonton, AB, CA, NA, etc… who are still weeks behind the growth curve of other countries and regions.

      At times like this… all those kilometers between towns and cities seem like a real blessing, instead of a real inconvenience.

    • N64 says:

      Shared a few links the last week and that site has been absolutely the best at bringing people up to warp speed on the personal, community, and national decisions that need to be made at warp speed.

      The quote you used is dead on. Within the hospital that works out to 25% of hospital admissions being ICU and half of those needing things like ventilators and ECMO. Medical system never sees burdens that heavy.

      Dr. Fauci is saying this thing is 10X as lethal as seasonal flu. That 2.5% of all cases number illustrates why mortality jumps about 2.5% when hospitals are crushed and triage focuses on younger and healthier patients.

      Chart 5 shows current exponential growth with a vertical line for the ignition threshold where 2 day doubling is very predictable. US is over that line now and every day really matters especially in WA, CA, NY. What Canada does the next days could also dramatically effect what happens.

      https://miro.medium.com/max/4122/1*1yyMraCJiDtHF8CpLN1V6Q.png

      Thanks for the update.

      UPDATE: Noticed this on the site:

      “If your company had 100 employees in the Washington state area, which had 11 coronavirus deaths on 3/8, there was a 25% chance at least one of your employees was infected, and you should have closed immediately.

      If your company had 250 employees mostly in the South Bay (San Mateo and Santa Clara counties, which together had 22 official cases on 3/8 and the true number was probably at least 54), by 3/9 you would have had ~2% chances to have at least one employee infected, and you should have closed your office too.”

  8. Harpers Hair says:

    18 African countries now reporting cases.

  9. dustrock says:

    jonrmcleod:
    I haven’t been paying attention since the announcement of a suspended season. Are teams allowed to practice, or has everything stopped?

    No team practice.

  10. flyfish1168 says:

    Rickety Cricket:
    Tip has organized virtual practice on NHL 20. The team should come back looking sharp.

    We see Connor beating the snout out of Darnell. Just because Connor is better with the joy stick. 🙂

  11. Silver Streak says:

    LT thanks for the ” folksy ” seemingly ” long ago ” reflection when things were so much simpler.
    People from those days survived extended drought, one industry economies with market crashes,
    polio without vaccines, Cuban missile crisis, etc etc…these people have seen it all before and survived it all. If anyone needs someone to talk with about the virus, the economy, etc …go find a senior and have a chat…..

    Now about Ryan Kuffner…can you do a little due diligence and pass it on…I, hoping he is a sleeper.

  12. jtblack says:

    I am hopeful that the NHL playoffs can start up in Mid May, early June .. That would be 60 – 75 days to let COVID-19 pass … may not happen of course, but that is what I am hopeful for …

    If they started June 1st, they could run some semblance of a Full Playoff (including a play in) .. and finish up by mid July …. Friedman said the NHL would not want to compete with the Olympics, which starts July 24th ….

    It’s an interesting time … We wait

  13. OriginalPouzar says:

    “I would look for major spikes from Samorukov, McLeod, Maksimov and possibly Safin in Bakersfield 2020-21. ”

    100% this.

    I think some/many are disapponted with the development of the three AHL players above but I would posit that their performance in their rookie pro years was as reasonably projected. I would have hoped for a bit more offence from McLeod and Maksimov in the 2nd half of the year, as they got used to the pro game, but things were so think down in the Bake in the 2nd half that they didn’t have a ton to work with.

    Sammy had an up and down season but he did show signs of that broad skill-set throughout.

    Of any non-Bouchard prospect, he was the prospect that always seemed to perk Woody up when he was mentioned – I think Woody was quite pleased with his progression and the potential.

    The likes of Howson and Woodcroft spoke about “junior habits” with respect to all three of these players throughout the year – both on and off the ice.

    I think they will have great seasons next year in the Bake as they “become men” (Howson spoke about things some as core strength, etc.) and play more prominent roles.

  14. OriginalPouzar says:

    In addition to those mentioned above to be returning, Lavoie, Rodrigue and Berglund should join the group – potentially Broberg but I see him back in Skelfeeta for one more year (far from official).

    Maybe Phillip Kemp (although I would htink he heads by to Yale for one more year) and maybe Markus Niemeläinen.

    I think the likes of Starrett, Hebig, Vessy, Jurco may sail on – potentially Logan Day.

    I don’t know about Malone and Lowe – I think Lowe may sail on but many of the graduating Oilers have had amazing things to say about Malone and how much of a help he has been – in particular Yamamoto.

  15. defmn says:

    One of the things I am wondering about is if the league and the PA negotiate a ‘free’ buyout for one player per team as a means of compensating for the drop in revenue and the subsequent drop in the cap number.

    I suppose there are a number of options available but to me this seems like an easy agreement for the two sides.

    For Edmonton, for example they would buyout Neal so that he gets his money but there would be no cap penalty to the team.

  16. Harpers Hair says:

    defmn:
    One of the things I am wondering about is if the league and the PA negotiate a ‘free’ buyout for one player per team as a means of compensating for the drop in revenue and the subsequent drop in the cap number.

    I suppose there are a number of options available but to me this seems like an easy agreement for the two sides.

    For Edmonton, for example they would buyout Neal so that he gets his money but there would be no cap penalty to the team.

    Some interesting speculation here:
    https://nypost.com/2020/03/13/potential-revenue-enhancing-plan-could-rescue-nhl/

  17. N64 says:

    Mar 13:

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-13/roche-gets-clearance-for-coronavirus-test-that-s-10-times-faster

    “The Food and Drug Administration granted “emergency use authorization” to the test, which runs on Roche Holding AG’s cobas 6800/8800 systems. The 8800 system is capable of testing 4,128 patients a day, and the 6800 version can test as many as 1,440…Roche’s cobas systems, launched in 2014, are widely available globally, with 695 of the 6800 instruments and 132 of the 8800 systems already installed. There are 110 of these tools in the U.S., and Roche has installed a “significant amount” of new ones in key locations in the U.S. in recent weeks…The cobas 8800 system can test patients about 10 times faster than Roche’s existing test for the coronavirus”

    Jan 30:

    https://www.bloombergquint.com/business/roche-s-new-virus-test-could-speed-up-screening-of-patients

    “There is a bottleneck,” Thomas Schinecker, head of Roche’s diagnostics division, said in an interview at the company’s Basel headquarters Thursday. “It’s really unknown how many people have the virus at the moment, and with our systems we can help to make testing much broader…
    Roche, better known for developing cutting-edge drugs, doesn’t think any if its existing medicines would help coronavirus patients and isn’t looking to come up with a vaccine for the disease…Roche’s emergency response team of molecular diagnosticians in San Francisco sprang into action a few weeks ago when word of the Wuhan virus emerged. Working with partners including Tib-Molbiol in Berlin, they created a test that can diagnose the disease within a couple of hours in a sufficiently staffed lab”

    • Munny says:

      I believe Advaite is applying for EUA this week on their test. It’s about 94 percent accurate and delivers result in 20-30 minutes.

  18. defmn says:

    Harpers Hair: Some interesting speculation here:
    https://nypost.com/2020/03/13/potential-revenue-enhancing-plan-could-rescue-nhl/

    Larry must be ecstatic at the turn of events since he is obsessed with the cap as an evil invention intended to thwart the natural order of life.

    I could be wrong but I think I might have been the first person he blocked on twitter during the last lockout. 😉

  19. N64 says:

    This probably sheds light on recovered patients showing positive again. Virologists had suspected these weren’t re-infections, but false negatives follow by true positives:

    “Patients with the new coronavirus keep the pathogen in their respiratory tract for as long as 37 days, a new study found, suggesting they could remain infectious for many weeks.”

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-12/coronavirus-can-live-in-patients-for-five-weeks-after-contagion

  20. N64 says:

    Halfwise:
    Excellent update and analysis at the link below.

    80% of those who get this will suffer only mild symptoms. It’s the remainder that will stress the medical system.
    “Around 20% of cases require hospitalization, 5% of cases require the Intensive Care Unit (ICU), and around 2.5% require very intensive help, with items such as ventilators or ECMO (extra-corporeal oxygenation).”

    https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca

    Just noticed Chart 6 is guessing at 19K cases in France a week from today and 8K in the US.

    Concurring with provincial moves:

    “Canada’s Chief Public Health Officer Theresa Tam confirmed that Canada is now advising against all international travel to limit the spread of the virus.”

    “All travellers arriving in Canada from international points are being asked to self-isolate for 14 days as a precaution”

    Also:

    “International flights will only be permitted to land at a smaller number of airports. Those locations have not yet been announced.”

  21. Harpers Hair says:

    Some actual hockey news.

    Looks like the Canucks are close to signing Mathis Brome out of the Swedish league.

    https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=172984

  22. Oilin4 says:

    Four thoughts:

    1. How will players stay in shape if all team activities are banned?

    2. A crazy side benefit of this is that teams and players will get rested. If playoffs do come, we’ll have something we’ve never seen before: Rested, healthy teams in near midseason form, playing intensely meaningful games.

    3. If Oilers don’t do right by their employees – it’s the service industry and everyone’s at home; they have no other source of income asshats! – last time I ever buy a ticket to them.

    4. We should also think of the side businesses that will be affected by this. Go online and buy a gift card for a place you regularly patronize. Spend it when this lifts, but give them some cash flow to stay afloat!

  23. OriginalPouzar says:

    Here is hoping – I don’t know what the playoffs will look like this year, if they get played at all, but here is hoping that, with likely a shortened summer, the 2020/21 season is back to “normal”.

    Chris Johnston
    @reporterchris
    Gary Bettman: “I’m expecting next season to be a normal season.”

    I will be curious:

    1) when the draft will be and if it will be “as scheduled” or done via phone/electronically

    2) when free agency will start

    3) what the cap will be – the NHLPA and NHL BOG are at liberty to negotiate a cap that doesn’t correspond to the HRR “for the good of the industry”

    4) how they deal with performance bonuses

    5) how they deal with certain conditional trade pieces – for example the Lucic/Neal trade – flames get a 3rd rounder if Neal scores 21 or more and 10 more goals than Lucic. Right now, Neal is at 19 and Lucic at 8 so the condition wouldn’t vest. If you “pro rate”, then Neal is at 22 and the condition vests. Of course, that doesn’t take in to account Neal hasn’t scored in 2020 (he did miss a month with injury) and is currently on the 4th line.

    • duct tape and foil says:

      The condition is worded ” flames get a 3rd rounder if Neal scores 21 or more and 10 more goals than Lucic”. Not might “might score” or “could potentially score”……….score. Pro-rating makes a mockery of the terms and the existing situation is no different than injury. Why not pro-rate that?

      But of course the NHL does all kind of blatantly ridiculous, illogical and unfair things. So who knows. But in any rational world the Flamers are SOL.

  24. ArmchairGM says:

    Let’s say the draft rolls around and Puljujarvi still refuses to sign with Edmonton. Do you trade him to Buffalo for Mittelstadt 1-for-1? Why or why not?

  25. Harpers Hair says:

    duct tape and foil:
    The condition is worded ” flames get a 3rd rounder if Neal scores 21 or more and 10 more goals than Lucic”. Not might “might score” or “could potentially score”……….score.Pro-rating makes a mockery of the terms and the existing situation is no different than injury. Why not pro-rate that?

    But of course the NHL does all kind of blatantly ridiculous, illogical and unfair things. So who knows. But in any rational world the Flamers are SOL.

    Unless the league completes a full season, there will be all sorts of pro-rating going on so I can’t see why this would be any different.

  26. BONE207 says:

    Harpers Hair:
    Some actual hockey news.

    Looks like the Canucks are close to signing Mathis Brome out of the Swedish league.

    https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=172984

    Booger Rumathumpudus & now Mastodonius Brachiosaurus???
    Might as well cancel next season as well & hand the Knuckleheads the Stanley…

  27. ArmchairGM says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    In addition to those mentioned above to be returning, Lavoie, Rodrigue and Berglund should join the group – potentially Broberg but I see him back in Skelfeeta for one more year (far from official).

    Maybe Phillip Kemp (although I would htink he heads by to Yale for one more year) and maybe Markus Niemeläinen.

    I think the likes of Starrett, Hebig, Vessy, Jurco may sail on – potentially Logan Day.

    I don’t know about Malone and Lowe – I think Lowe may sail on but many of the graduating Oilers have had amazing things to say about Malone and how much of a help he has been – in particular Yamamoto.

    I’d be happy if Lowe and Malone came back on AHL contracts. Nice to have steady veterens to teach the youngsters pro habits.

  28. defmn says:

    Oilin4:

    3. If Oilers don’t do right by their employees – it’s the service industry and everyone’s at home; they have no other source of income asshats! – last time I ever buy a ticket to them.

    Mark Spector
    @SportsnetSpec
    ·
    21m
    Asked twice today, Oilers COO Tom Anselmi was noncommittal on this topic.

  29. Side says:

    defmn: Mark Spector
    @SportsnetSpec
    ·
    21m
    Asked twice today, Oilers COO Tom Anselmi was noncommittal on this topic.

    I didn’t know that Spector was a socialist from Socialist China.

    God… typing that made me laugh.

  30. defmn says:

    Side: I didn’t know that Spector was a socialist from Socialist China.

    God… typing that made me laugh.

    Apparently the report below prompted the question.

    Eric Stephens
    @icemancometh
    · 1h
    Told that #NHLDucks owners Henry and Susan Samueli, who also own and manage Honda Center, will continue paying full-time and part-time employees who were scheduled to work at the arena through March 31.

  31. Side says:

    defmn: Apparently the report below prompted the question.

    Eric Stephens
    @icemancometh· 1h
    Told that #NHLDucks owners Henry and Susan Samueli, who also own and manage Honda Center, will continue paying full-time and part-time employees who were scheduled to work at the arena through March 31.

    As Henry and Susan should. Good for them and the other employers who are able to support their employees who are impacted by this.

    Sorry, if my disgusting pro-socialist take on this matter offends anyone. Perhaps I should have used a disclaimer.

  32. OriginalPouzar says:

    Oilers (hopefully not) Season End Grades

    Might as well try and pass the time on a no-sports weekend (during overlap season as well) with some Oilers talk.

    When I do my grades, of course, I am factoring in expectations for each such player

    Forwards

    McDavid – A-

    Yes, I give him a minus even though he is on pace for his highest points year simply because, from my eye, there have been more games and stretches were he wasn’t nearly as effective or noticeable or a factor as normal and due to some uneven 2-way play back in December. The minus is only because expectations are so high.

    Drai – A

    He’s received some heat lately for turnovers, etc. but, come on, on the aggregate, he is right up there for the Hart. He is leading the league in points by a large margin and, in 2020, driven the best line in hockey without McDavid. He is one of the best PK guys on the team, the best faceoff guy, etc. When McDavid was out, he increased production with ALL the tough match-ups. The only reason he’s not an A plus is because of the goals against in December.

    Nugent Hopkins – A-

    He has been so good in 2020, a top 5 scorer in the entire NHL. His 2-way play at evens has been much better as a winger. His PK with Khiara solid. The only reason for the minus is that massive slump in the first 6 weeks or so of the season (while playing with the hand injury mind you). His offensive production despite that massive early season slump is impressive

    Neal – B +

    Neal isn’t really great at 5 on 5 – he’s a bottom 6 player but, at the end of the day, he does have 19 goals and was a massive part of the early season hot start that was important for the year.

    Athanasiou – C

    I could give him an incomplete because he’s only played a handful of games but I graded him. He hasn’t met expectations, that’s for sure, but, by my eye was starting to come around the last couple of games and was helping create scoring chances. I think, with a training camp and starting the year in Tippett’s systems, he’ll be a better Oiler next year but, for this year, middling.

    Kassian -/B+

    Kass was a huge part of the team’s early season success in October/November and was a big part of the top line’s production. At the same time, from mid-December until the last couple of games, his production was gone and he was often a culprit defensively. He hurt the team with that second suspension but he’s come back engaged and worked his way back up to the top line. Expectations were fairly high and I would say he’s “met them” on the aggregate – wish he’d be a bit more consistent but, I guess, if he was, he’d be a 35 goal scorer and a legit top 6 winger.

    Chiasson B-

    At the end of the day, I think he’s up to over 10 goals now and was on a heater – he’d probably finish in the 15 goal range if the season went on as normal. We didn’t expect him to hit 20 so I guess he was close to expectations but, in my mind, a bit below them because there are just so many games where he’s barely a 4th line player at 5 on 5.

    Khaira – D

    I like Khaira better than most but with poor production and, until recently, somewhat consistent mistakes, the only think keeping this grade from a D- or even an F is the PK – he really is good on the PK and its been a big factor in the Oilers being top 10 in the league in points right now.

    Archibald – A

    If we are grading related to expectations, well, Archie has met them all and probably exceeded. Responsible 2-way but his PK has been huge and his goal scoring better than anticipated (lets not forget, he didn’t have a goal until mid-December I don’t think when he filled in at 1RW and scored with McDavid). His ability to play all over the lineup is helpful, his speed is key and his aggressiveness and tenacity great.

    Yamamoto – A +

    What more can this kid do? He was in the AHL for half the year and then he came to the NHL and has been a point per game player in 25 plus games with a massive plus rating and kind of “saved the season” by adding a legit top 6 winger to the team. He’s made it so that Drai can play away from McDavid and that makes the team that much better. His ability to turn pucks over and force bad decisions has been spectacular.

    Haas – C-

    I don’t know if we had expectations but I guess he met mine. Kind of an NHL player but a tweener. He’s a 4C that doesn’t PK, so….

    Sheahan B-

    Aside from one hot streak, he is kind of devoid of offence. With that said, he could be a great 4C but has been asked to play 3C most of the year. Solid defensively and great on the PK with Archie.

    Ennis – B +

    He was REALLY good last game against the Jets in my opinion. Kind of incomplete given a handful of games but his ability to play on any of the top 3 lines has been helfpul. Skilled and quick but not a “legit top 6 guy” without help. Kind of what we expected, I think.

    P. Russell – B-

    In my opinion he’s a tweener but being in the lineup for most of the fist 50 games or so and not being terrible, I guess that’s probably exceeding camp expectations?

    Nygard – C+

    Some like him quite a bit. I don’t really see it. I see some skill there but it rarely translates to production.

    ————————————-

    Defence

    Klefbom – B

    He started off the season playing the best hockey of his career – Norris caliber hockey for 10 games or so. Of course, he’s not that good and his game came back to earth but he really is a legit top pairing guy – not a #1 or top end 1st pairing guy but he doesn’t make alot of mistakes out there, passes the puck well, defends well and has actually been quite good on the PP. If he didn’t get hurt, yes, as he often does, I may have gone with an A- (probably B plus).

    Nurse – B-

    I’m not one that rags on Nurse as much as many others and, while Klef was out, his mistakes could be chalked up to playing so many minutes. With that said, at the end of the day, as far as expectations, I think I expected him to take another step forward and, really, he has treaded water and, at this point, I think we know what he is – a solid/plus 2nd pairing guy that makes too many mistakes when playing too many minutes and has issues passing the puck. I just think he has more to give but he hasn’t done it.

    Larsson – B

    Coming back from a broken leg right at the beginning of the year is tough and he really did struggle for quite a while. With that said, he’s been “2017 Larsson” for a good stretch now and that player gets an A to me. On aggregate, he’s been an A for a month or so and a D for a month or so – lets saw it off.

    Bear – A

    As far as expectations, this kid wasn’t “supposed” to make the team out of camp and he’s been a top 4 right shot puck moving d-man all season long – even played top minutes for much of it. He’s struggled a bit over the last month or so with some defensive mistakes but he’s also improved in certain defensive areas (1 on 1 defending, 1 on 1 battles, etc.). He is the team’s best puck mover.

    Rusty – B

    Rusty has been Rusty but his minutes have been cut back big time by the coaching staff this year. He’s been hurt so that takes away the B plus. Great on the PK as usual.

    Jones – B plus

    I added the plus because of the top 4 minutes he played when Klef was out. He’s still not a “legit top 4 d-man” but he’s looking like he will be that guy with some more development. To me, he’s established himself as a legit every day NHL d-man. The coaches played him over Kris Russell last game.

    Benning C-

    I like Benning more than most but, at the end of the day, he’s had a tough season. He was actually really good with Rusty until he got hurt and, since he’s come back, he’s only playing like 10 minutes per game and does kill penalties unless a d-man is in the box.

    ———————————–

    Goalies

    Koskinen – B plus

    Almost game him an A- because, as far as expectations go, he’s kind of hit them. Not a legit 1A starter but a guy that can share the net and, for the most part, he gives the team a chance to win. He’s streaky and, when he’s not playing well, he leaks bad goals, but he’s had two “warm streaks” this year and his numbers are, well, average.

    Smith – B

    Again, the grade is vis-a-vis expectations and I don’t think any of us expected Smith to do more than he’s done. On aggregate, his numbers are somewhat poor but that is because he was SO BAD in December. He was good in October and good in January/February and without him finding his game in early 2020, things could have gone off the rails.

  33. €√¥£€^$ says:

    In the short time he has been here I have been extremely unimpressed with AA. In some ways his tentative/unengaged approach without the puck reminds me of POS. I had high hopes for him, but I see him as a player that doesn’t move the needle. IMO Jesse is a heads and shoulders a superior player.

    I am curious what others are thinking…. Has anyone watched pre-Oiler AA closely? Is he a vastly different player in 19-20 vs 18-19. I am very disappointed in the acquisition cost, but I was quite happy that Holland got Kuffner, who might prove to be the real value in this deal in 2 seasons.

    Thoughts???

  34. Rondo says:

    I went back and looked at the stats and I was stunned. Are you ready for this? The swine flu outbreak in this country in 2009 and 2010, 60 million Americans were infected. Do you remember that? Sixty million were infected. Dr. Siegel, one of the Fox doctors was on TV explaining this last night. He was not my primary source for it, but he ended up confirming it. Sixty million people were infected.

    Do you know how many people were hospitalized in 2009-2010 with the swine flu? Three hundred thousand were hospitalized. So 60 million people infected, 300,000 hospitalized. And nobody even remembers it. And why? Well, because we had a different president. We had a Democrat president by the name of Barack Obama, and the news then was how wonderfully well Obama was handling it, how expertly well Obama was dealing with it.

    There wasn’t any media panic. The Republican Party did not politicize it at all. They made not one single effort that anybody can find or remember to try to make political hay out of it. It was treated as a health issue from top to bottom. Sixty million Americans infected, 300,000 hospitalized. I don’t know what the death toll was. The numbers with the coronavirus are not even close. They are barely a fraction of a percentage compared to the swine flu.

    . . . Nobody’s immune from what’s happening here. I mean, you go back and you look at these swine flu numbers and you ask, “What was different? (chuckles) What was different was we had a Democrat in the White House and so the media didn’t want to be critical of the government.

    The media wanted to be promoting him. They wanted to be positive. They wanted to promote the brilliance of Barack Obama, the brilliant management skills, the temperament, the crease in his slacks, the intelligence and all that. Now we’ve got just exact opposite.

    https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2020/03/12/remember-the-swine-flu-panic-of-2009-no-you-dont/

    • Side says:

      Going to Rush Limbaugh for this kind of discussion is like going to Harpers Hair to discuss his thoughts on the state of the Oilers.

      • Rondo says:

        Only looking at the facts.

        • SkatinginSand says:

          Are you seriously quoting the king of conspiracy theories as a legitimate source?

          • Dustylegnd says:

            From the CDC website

            The 2009 H1N1 Pandemic: A New Flu Virus Emerges
            The (H1N1)pdm09 virus was very different from H1N1 viruses that were circulating at the time of the pandemic. Few young people had any existing immunity (as detected by antibody response) to the (H1N1)pdm09 virus, but nearly one-third of people over 60 years old had antibodies against this virus, likely from exposure to an older H1N1 virus earlier in their lives. Since the (H1N1)pdm09 virus was very different from circulating H1N1 viruses, vaccination with seasonal flu vaccines offered little cross-protection against (H1N1)pdm09 virus infection. While a monovalent (H1N1)pdm09 vaccine was produced, it was not available in large quantities until late November—after the peak of illness during the second wave had come and gone in the United States. From April 12, 2009 to April 10, 2010, CDC estimated there were 60.8 million cases (range: 43.3-89.3 million), 274,304 hospitalizations (range: 195,086-402,719), and 12,469 deaths (range: 8868-18,306) in the United States due to the (H1N1)pdm09 virus.

  35. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    jtblack:
    I am hopeful that the NHL playoffs can start up in Mid May, early June .. That would be 60 – 75 days to let COVID-19 pass … may not happen of course, but that is what I am hopeful for …

    If they started June 1st, they could run some semblance of a Full Playoff (including a play in) .. and finish up by mid July …. Friedman said the NHL would not want to compete with the Olympics, which starts July 24th ….

    It’s an interesting time … We wait

    They could run best of 5 series to speed it up/get it done based on standings at shut-down. No way they can make up the regular season games. Some will whine but I don’t see it happening at all in many other ways.

  36. Side says:

    Yes, lets all listen to Rush Limbaugh, the guy who said this during H1N1

    “The same month, Limbaugh also publicly boasted that he wasn’t getting the vaccine, defiantly stating, “Screw you, Miss [HHS Secretary Kathleen] Sebelius. I am not going to take it, precisely because you’re now telling me I must.” He also gave voice to conspiracy theories from Louis Farrakhan that the vaccine might have been developed just to kill people.”

    What a voice of reason, a beacon of light and hope. Always looking at the facts in an unbiased manner…

    https://www.mediamatters.org/rush-limbaugh/limbaugh-screw-you-miss-sebelius-i-am-not-going-take-h1n1-vaccine-precisely-because

  37. Rondo says:

    Washingtron,

    You check the #’s. Or live in your echo chamber, your choice

    • Side says:

      You can actually read up about both Covid19 and H1N1 and the differences between the viruses, understand how much things have changed over the last 11 years, look at a globe and see the areas where the viruses are more likely to spread too, and compare how both the Trump administration and Obama administration handled their respective outbreaks, and then report back.

      It sure will save you a lot more time than listening to Rush Limbaugh and Fox News, that’s for sure.

  38. Side says:

    Let us all marvel at Fox News role in trying to get people vaccinated from H1N1 during the outbreak:

    https://www.mediamatters.org/sean-hannity/hannity-guest-deirdre-imus-says-its-misinformation-h1n1-vaccine-safe-wants-obamas

    They did their best, totally did not fearmonger or spread misinformation. No, they were helping Obama, in fact.

    Just the facts, folks.

  39. N64 says:

    Rondo: You check the #’s. Or live in your echo chamber, your choice

    Give it a break. Seriously if you like President Trump do him a solid. I don’t care a fig what it does to any US president, but you might. This week the VP expressed concern about the harm to his party from fake fans who keep saying this is just like the flu.

    This week Trump’s guy Fauci said this is 10X more fatal than flu. And it’s at least 3X that when it overruns hospitals.

    The rate at which this thing overwhelms ventilators no one in their right mind is going to do anything other than do everything they can to keep it below 1% of the population. Might have to shutdown 10-25% of the economy for a year until there is a vaccine, but here we are.

    And guess what when that’s all in the rear view mirror and if we kept this from 99% of the population some idiot will look at total deaths and say: See. I was right. Not that fatal.

    • Munny says:

      This.

      I can understand why posters like Rondo, and say Wilde from the other end of the spectrum, have political concerns.

      But this is not the time to be bitching about better or worse worlds.

      Dealing with this virus is going to take ingenuity, effort, sacrifice etc from everyone and every entity, whether they be government, academic, private or public health care, think tank, biotech business or just the waiter who lives up the street who relies on public gatherings to make money.

      I’m grateful the US and Canadian gov’ts are finally on board. I’m grateful we have companies like Roche and Advaite working on finding solutions, that there are research institutes like Sunnybrook throwing their vast intellectual weight behind this.

      This will go far better if ALL aspects of society are committed to finding a way through it.

  40. JimmyV1965 says:

    Side:
    Oh, you are serious?

    https://www.mediamatters.org/coronavirus-covid-19/sean-hannity-right-wing-media-lie-about-obamas-2009-h1n1-response

    Sorry you fell for Hannity and Limbaugh.

    I’m not to interested in this spat you guys are having, but Media Matters is not even close to being objective. It’s no more objective than Limbaugh.

  41. Side says:

    JimmyV1965: I’m not to interested in this spat you guys are having, but Media Matters is not even close to being objective. It’s no more objective than Limbaugh.

    It literally quotes Rush Limbaugh’s words and has audio of him saying these words.

    Same with Hannity.

    It’s the source that contains this objective evidence.

    Unless you want me to dig through Fox News archive to get the footage? Or find the footage directly from Rush Limbaugh’s show?

    Do you want me to kill myself?

    • N64 says:

      Do me a solid. Find the quote of Fauci and Pence rubbishing this crap the Rondo consumed. Quoting media matters is just echo chamber shooting at echo chamber.

      Whatever happened to communicating with people on common ground?

      • Side says:

        Why does it matter what site the video sits on? The Hannity video is taken from Fox News.

        The audio of Limbaugh is coming from Limbaugh’s show.

        Who cares what site it sits on?

        It’s coming directly from the horses mouth in both cases.

        Unless you all think that media matters doctored video footage?

        If that’s the case, you go find the “authentic” footage and post it.

        • N64 says:

          Side: Unless you all think that media matters doctored video footage?

          Do you really think that was my point?

          If you want to convince his fellow travelers just quote it. Let him try to refute it. Or have we got to the point where we like echo chambers?

          Update: When I see a quote pop up on the NY Times (and I like their excellent coronavirus coverage way more than their political coverage) or from Fox (kill me please before the Times and Fox are my only choices) is to google the quote and provide a link or video that more people will click on. Takes an extra 30 seconds. No need to kill myself.

          • Side says:

            People should be able to visit any echo chamber and be able to identify what is bullshit and what is not.

            If Rondo, or Jimmy, or anyone else reading can’t do that, then there is nothing I can do to help them.

            A growing problem nowadays is people quickly try to discredit the host of content or information. Even if the content is undoctored.

            CNN could post a video of Trump gunning an innocent down in the street, and there would still be people going

            “You can’t trust anything on CNN, it’s left leaning”

            Nothing I can do about that kind of mentality.

  42. godot10 says:

    N64:
    This probably sheds light on recovered patients showing positive again. Virologists had suspected these weren’t re-infections, but false negatives follow by true positives:

    “Patients with the new coronavirus keep the pathogen in their respiratory tract for as long as 37 days, a new study found, suggesting they could remain infectious for many weeks.”

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-12/coronavirus-can-live-in-patients-for-five-weeks-after-contagion

    The persons who designed this bioweapon were both smart and evil.

  43. N64 says:

    Side:
    People should be able to visit any echo chamber and be able to identify what is bullshit and what is not.

    If Rondo, or Jimmy, or anyone else reading can’t do that, then there is nothing I can do to help them.

    A growing problem nowadays is people quickly try to discredit the host of content or information.Even if the content is undoctored.

    CNN could post a video of Trump gunning an innocent down in the street, and there would still be people going

    “You can’t trust anything on CNN, it’s left leaning”

    Nothing I can do about that kind of mentality.

    If you want to you could take a minute every now and again to shoot for the 90% who tune out the other echo chamber but still hear things from outside there own. YMMV.

    I’d crawl over broken glass before watching Fox News or Maddow but I certainly know people that do. If they think it’s just the flu I’ll quote Pence and Fauci to refute everytime no matter how well Nancy puts things.

    • Side says:

      What are your thoughts on political entertainers? Those who exaggerate, fabricate, and straight up lie for entertainment value for their targeted political fanbase?

      Now what are your thoughts on fans of these entertainers, who take it at face value and refuse to listen to “the other side”.

      Now, how successful do you think one anonymous internet poster would be at convincing a fan of said entertainer that what their entertainer says is wrong?

      I could write the most eloquent, easily comprehensible, fact based post ever but it wouldn’t matter. We live in a time where someone could make this post I am referring to, but there would still be people who say “yeah but he’s a *insert political leaning here* you can’t trust him” or “he has an agenda” or “this is wrong because Rush Limbaugh says…”

      • N64 says:

        Side: Now what are your thoughts on fans of these entertainers, who take it at face value and refuse to listen to “the other side”.

        That all of them are very different from each other.

  44. Lowetide says:

    I would request that people respect each other. Please and thanks.

    • N64 says:

      Message received.

    • Cassandra says:

      Rondo deserves neither respect nor cover, only scorn and contempt and that is what he is going to get.

      • N64 says:

        Every time he says this is just the flu I’ll quote Dr. Fauci and Mike Pence to him in the hopes he’ll rethink. Rondo deserves respect like anyone here. Events where ever he lives are going to overtake his opinions. Besides he’s doing a great job of convincing everyone here that this is way worse than the flu, however they vote.

        • Side says:

          You are a nice person N64, and that’s why I like you. Also, your COVID coverage has been incredibly helpful. Thank you.

          • N64 says:

            Honestly listening to LT on the radio this morning made me want to be really nice today. Nothing like a crisis to make us appreciate the little things and the people that love them. LT is relentlessly real. Or just damn convincing.

      • Lowetide says:

        I once again request you respect all posters. That’s the rule. Thanks.

  45. godot10 says:

    ArmchairGM:
    Let’s say the draft rolls around and Puljujarvi still refuses to sign with Edmonton. Do you trade him to Buffalo for Mittelstadt 1-for-1? Why or why not?

    I would prefer a 2nd round draft pick, replenishing the picks lost trading for Athanasiou.

  46. OriginalPouzar says:

    duct tape and foil:
    The condition is worded ” flames get a 3rd rounder if Neal scores 21 or more and 10 more goals than Lucic”. Not might “might score” or “could potentially score”……….score.Pro-rating makes a mockery of the terms and the existing situation is no different than injury. Why not pro-rate that?

    But of course the NHL does all kind of blatantly ridiculous, illogical and unfair things. So who knows. But in any rational world the Flamers are SOL.

    I can’t say I really agree with you position and a player being injured and the games themselves not being played are not equatable in my mind.

    • N64 says:

      I doubt that any such clauses were pro-rated when season were previously cut short. Nor will they be in this case.

  47. v4ance says:

    godot10: The persons who designed this bioweapon were both smart and evil.

    This is not a bioweapon, it’s a result of decades of mistakes and a failure to change for the better.

    Why new diseases keep appearing in China
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPpoJGYlW54

  48. godot10 says:

    ArmchairGM: I’d be happy if Lowe and Malone came back on AHL contracts. Nice to have steady veterens to teach the youngsters pro habits.

    I think OP and Wilde have demonstrated and argued that Lowe isn’t any good, and thus, not a suitable veteran AHL’ers.

  49. OriginalPouzar says:

    duct tape and foil:
    Don’t reply to me hairball. Not interested in your vacant thoughts.

    His comment is valid and I am interested in his thoughts – something somewhat related to hockey is nice to talk about as well.

  50. godot10 says:

    defmn: Mark Spector
    @SportsnetSpec
    ·
    21m
    Asked twice today, Oilers COO Tom Anselmi was noncommittal on this topic.

    The Liberal government will be raining money down on part-time hospitality-type employees. That is who votes for them in Toronto.

    • N64 says:

      Salaried employees are going to be carried through this. Pensioners too. If we are going to tell hourly workers to stay home for the sake of everyone over 40 of course we’re going to make it possible for them to comply.

  51. Cassandra says:

    Rondo:
    I went back and looked at the stats and I was stunned. Are you ready for this? The swine flu outbreak in this country in 2009 and 2010, 60 million Americans were infected. Do you remember that? Sixty million were infected. Dr. Siegel, one of the Fox doctors was on TV explaining this last night. He was not my primary source for it, but he ended up confirming it. Sixty million people were infected.

    Do you know how many people were hospitalized in 2009-2010 with the swine flu? Three hundred thousand were hospitalized. So 60 million people infected, 300,000 hospitalized. And nobody even remembers it. And why? Well, because we had a different president. We had a Democrat president by the name of Barack Obama, and the news then was how wonderfully well Obama was handling it, how expertly well Obama was dealing with it.

    There wasn’t any media panic. The Republican Party did not politicize it at all. They made not one single effort that anybody can find or remember to try to make political hay out of it. It was treated as a health issue from top to bottom. Sixty million Americans infected, 300,000 hospitalized. I don’t know what the death toll was. The numbers with the coronavirus are not even close. They are barely a fraction of a percentage compared to the swine flu.

    . . . Nobody’s immune from what’s happening here. I mean, you go back and you look at these swine flu numbers and you ask, “What was different? (chuckles) What was different was we had a Democrat in the White House and so the media didn’t want to be critical of the government.

    The media wanted to be promoting him. They wanted to be positive. They wanted to promote the brilliance of Barack Obama, the brilliant management skills, the temperament, the crease in his slacks, the intelligence and all that. Now we’ve got just exact opposite.

    https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2020/03/12/remember-the-swine-flu-panic-of-2009-no-you-dont/

    This kind of limpid stupidity represents everything that is wrong with the facsimile of intelligence that a little education can provide.

    In any case, this comparison is easy to look up, disprove, and then mercilessly mock for anyone with a modicum of reasonableness.

    Anyone who believes this is malignantly stupid.

    • OilClog says:

      Did you know you could of saved everyone time, energy and just replied to this under the damn original comment since no one really gives a whoot about your desire to stand out.

      Your ways of addressing Rondo isn’t the way he’s going to learn, check the malignantly stupid filled ego at the TSN door.

      • N64 says:

        Somedays I think new commenters here should only get the 2nd reply button for their first month here. Then they get access to all 3 buttons.

        Conversely other posters should be able to earn no access to the other 2 buttons.

        But not my zoo.

  52. OriginalPouzar says:

    godot10: I think OP and Wilde have demonstrated and argued that Lowe isn’t any good, and thus, not a suitable veteran AHL’ers.

    I think Lowe has some solid value as a “veteran mentor” last season but this season his middling on-ice play seemed to erode.

    Hmmm, maybe they had Bouchard play so much with Lowe to get him ready for the Rusty/Bouchard 3rd pairing next year……. aging “veteran mentor”…..

    • Side says:

      I was going to say “but I thought Kailer Yamamoto credited Keegan for being such a good mentor”

      I was wrong, turns out that mentor was Brad Malone.

  53. Munny says:

    I believe there is a press conference at 4pm… Alberta’s Health Minister or Chief Doctor, can’t remember which.

    Believe the possibility of schools closing will be on the agenda.

  54. godot10 says:

    v4ance: This is not a bioweapon, it’s a result of decades of mistakes and a failure to change for the better.

    Why new diseases keep appearing in China
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPpoJGYlW54

    The Wuhan market was an accelerator of the spread of the Covid-19. I believe the evidence is now fairly clear it was not the source, since they cannot find or identify patient zero. So much of the video you post is a false narrative.

    For Americans, neoconservatives and neoliberals, who are the opposite sides of the same American Exceptionalism coin, China is the new villain. Vox is neoliberal.

    American exceptionalism is “Aryanism”

  55. Ben says:

    Sending Holland a sweet “I SURVIVED A GLOBAL PANDEMIC AND ALL I GOT WAS A THIRD ROUND PICK” t-shirt.

  56. blainer says:

    Fox News – Hated and still hate Obama AND Clinton

    CNN – Got it in For Trump

    Neither of these stations are really worth watching although I do like CNN for election coverage.

    I read both websites and actually find it entertaining how they both shit on each other. HH would enjoy this too I would guess.

    Me ? I am an extreme moderate who will vote Conservative or Liberal depending on who I believe has the best leader.

    I would not vote for either of the current leaders in Canada or the U.S. . IMO I would love to see both of these leaders booted out !!

    I would really like to see a Biden Kasich ticket in the US election. Now that would be entertaining and would help Unite that fractured country.

    But the odds of that happening are about as high as Taylor Hall signing with us for 4 years at $ 7 million per !!

  57. Munny says:

    Dr. Hinshaw to speak shortly.

  58. godot10 says:

    blainer:

    Me ? I am an extreme moderate who will vote Conservative or Liberal depending on who I believe has the best leader.

    I would not vote for either of the current leaders in Canada or the U.S. . IMO I would love to see both of these leaders booted out !!

    Justin Trudeau and Peter McKay. Dumb and Dumber. Ben Mulroney, the Third Musketeer, at least had the good sense not to enter poliltics.

    The Lunatic Fringe. Bernier and May.

    Singh is a nice guy, but hopelessly naive.

  59. defmn says:

    godot10:

    American exceptionalism is “Aryanism”

    More a jumbled combination of Locke & Burke imo. 😉

  60. Munny says:

    School closures will not be implemented in Alberta at this time.

    • N64 says:

      29 cases. Still all travel related. Dr. H. says when schools close it will be for many months. On a community by community basis as needed.

      Alberta at 4200 tests. Have moved beyond travel cases and contacts to other tests submitted by doctors as well as sampling other routine tests. Continuing to grow capacity.

      US with 75X the population currently reporting 16.5K https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/testing-in-us.html.

  61. defmn says:

    N64:
    I suspect Burke would be equally horrified by his fans and his detractors.

    Most thinkers who write are. 😉

  62. Munny says:

    Dr. Hinshaw is fantastically well-spoken.

  63. OriginalPouzar says:

    Damn – Konovaolv only stopped 29 of 34 as Yaroslov Lokomotiv lost 5-1 and I think they are done. Valiant effort to come back from down 3-0 to Jokerit.

    Maybe Putin will cancel the 2020/21 KHL season and terminate the last year of Konovalov’s contract so he can sign with the Oilers…..

  64. OriginalPouzar says:

    Side:
    I was going to say “but I thought Kailer Yamamoto credited Keegan for being such a good mentor”

    I was wrong, turns out that mentor was Brad Malone.

    Ya, I believe I mentioned it earlier in the thread. Malone will be 31 before next season starts and I’d normally say its time to “sail on” and bring in a “younger veteran mentor” but, if he really is everything Kailer said he is, there is organizational value in bringing him back.

    Would he sign an AHL contract? Does he think he would get an NHL contract offer, even a 2-way, from any organization?

    • Side says:

      I would see value in bringing him back. Whether he would want to, I have no clue. To be honest I never really pay attention to what happens to older AHL players. Leave the AHL and play in some Euro league? Is that the popular thing that older kids do these days??

  65. defmn says:

    Pierre LeBrun

    @PierreVLeBrun

    NHL/NHLPA signed off on memo around 5 p.m. ET, guidelines:
    1) Players for now asked to self-quarantine in their home NHL cities;
    2) At some point TBD, players may skate at NHL facility in small groups;
    3) Near the end, plans for mini camp before (if) season resumes.

    Pierre LeBrun
    @PierreVLeBrun
    ·
    33m
    _ there are exceptions now for players on IR who need treatment/rehab, they can go to NHL facility to get it.
    _ Also players who want to self-quarantine away from NHL home city because their family lives elsewhere (like traded players), they can do that after advising team of it

    • N64 says:

      Good move. Canada has moved to 14 days iso returning from any country. That puts our high travel hockeyers on the same page.

      Update: Alberta is talking to industries about alternative measures to 14 days iso. Already done for flight crews. Needs to be done with truckers. Sports will need to satisfy all govts re travel before moving beyond suspension

  66. Harpers Hair says:

    blainer:
    Fox News – Hated and still hate Obama AND Clinton

    CNN – Got it in For Trump

    Neither of these stations are really worth watching although I do like CNN for election coverage.

    I read both websites and actually find it entertaining how they both shit on each other. HH would enjoy this too I would guess.

    Me ? I am an extreme moderate who will vote Conservative or Liberal depending on who I believe has the best leader.

    I would not vote for either of the current leaders in Canada or the U.S. . IMO I would love to see both of these leaders booted out !!

    I would really like to see a Biden Kasich ticket in the US election. Now that would be entertaining and would help Unite that fractured country.

    But the odds of that happening are about as high as Taylor Hall signing with us for 4 years at $ 7 million per !!

    I do enjoy it…but from the perspective of someone with 40 years in journalism.

    I’m constantly astounded how polarized and partisan the media have become.

    Some here will remember when journalists endeavored to be objective and present a well balanced perspective on issues. No more so it’s critical for any thinking news consumer to sample as many sources and then think for themselves.

    The dichotomy between Fox News and CNN is readily apparent but the left leaning echo chamber in Canada is much more dangerous since all the major networks have abandoned objectivity and have become Liberal fart catchers and most of the national print media are not much better.

    We do see some balance in the Globe and Mail and the National Post but, as fewer and fewer Canadians read those publications, their influence is waning and they’re being forced to buy out their best journalists for economic reasons.

    I spend 3-4 hours per day consuming news content from scores of sources as I find it’s the only way to winnow the wheat from the chaff. It’s the only way to be truly informed.

  67. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar: His comment is valid and I am interested in his thoughts – something somewhat related to hockey is nice to talk about as well.

    Appreciate that.

    You would think any hockey fan would be interested in player acquisitions by their direct rivals.

    Speaking of echo chambers.

  68. Harpers Hair says:

    N64:
    29 cases. Still all travel related. Dr. H. says when schools close it will be for many months. On a community by community basis as needed.

    Alberta at 4200 tests. Have moved beyond travel cases and contacts toother tests submitted by doctors as well as sampling other routine tests. Continuing to grow capacity.

    US with 75X the population currently reporting 16.5K https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/testing-in-us.html.

    I would also like to chime in and thank you for the updates and your incredible insight on this.

    Much appreciated.

    • N64 says:

      Good stuff. Escrow could be as high as highest from prior years. Cap could DECLINE. Hey that’s what we were discussing last week. 🙂

  69. AZOIL says:

    Live in AZ, from Alberta. All the local sports talk is saying OEL of the Coyotes is a bum and they should get rid of him? Maybe he is having a rough year, but for the numbers guys, what do his fancies show over the last few years? If I remember correctly he was considered a top 2 Dman?

  70. Munny says:

    Harpers Hair: I’m constantly astounded how polarized and partisan the media have become.

    But is it really all that different than say in the days of Hearst v. Pulitzer?

    • N64 says:

      The online drug hasn’t made it better. Sure Hearst readers talked more to other Hearst readers etc. but real neighbours are way more varied than online echo chambers.

      • Munny says:

        Yeah, I’d agree with that. The newspapers in NYC in the late 1800s and early 19s weren’t really echo chambers, but they did lead to a polarization of views.

        The online nature of the world has definitely entrenched and enhanced that polarization, and made it relatively cost effective for anyone to put up their own echo chamber.

        I would say that the growth of government too has made it much more worthwhile for entities, especially billionaires, to pay attention to political risk and reward. There is more incentive there to be a playa in the MSM and its adjuncts.

        I’m kind of astounded that walking around today and talking to others that there are still many people in the camps of “Hoax” or “MSM-generated needless panic” etc.

        I went into the local Wal-Mart last night at 8 pm (normally a good time for a quick in and out) just to grab one tin of coffee and was astonished at the scene… every checkout lane staffed and lined up 10 deep with customers. I’ve never seen it like that on a Friday or Saturday afternoon.

  71. Rondo says:

    Great info regarding Coronavirus

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r39ydQcVV_k

    • N64 says:

      Hey Rondo

      Get with the program. The cool kids are all hip that the coronavirus is way worse than the flu. Fauci. Pence. Oh and this:

      Despite these efforts, Bongino acknowledged, the president’s power had limits – and that the virus was “very dangerous” and “highly contagious”.

      https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51840227

  72. godot10 says:

    Harpers Hair: I do enjoy it…but from the perspective of someone with 40 years in journalism.

    I’m constantly astounded how polarized and partisan the media have become.

    Some here will remember when journalists endeavored to be objective and present a well balanced perspective on issues.No more so it’s critical for any thinking news consumer to sample as many sources and then think for themselves.

    The dichotomy between Fox News and CNN is readily apparent but the left leaning echo chamber in Canada is much more dangerous since all the major networks have abandoned objectivity and have become Liberal fart catchers and most of the national print media are not much better.

    We do see some balance in the Globe and Mail and the National Post but, as fewer and fewer Canadians read those publications, their influence is waning and they’re being forced to buy out their best journalists for economic reasons.

    I spend 3-4 hours per day consuming news content from scores of sources as I find it’s the only way to winnow the wheat from the chaff. It’s the only way to be truly informed.

    The Canadian media is all on the government dole now. Not just the CBC.

  73. Harpers Hair says:

    Munny: But is it really all that different than say in the days of Hearst v. Pulitzer?

    There have always been outliers but before the massive consolidation of media companies, there were many, many other voices,

    Just on a local level in Edmonton, there were the Journal, the Sun (before they merged), the Examiner, St. Albert Gazette, CFRN TV, ITV, CBC TV, CHED, CHQT, CFRN Radio, CKUA Radio and CFCW all with well staffed and aggressive news gathering operations.

    They were not beholden to corporate overlords who subtly (or not) dictated editorial slant.

    Things have changed dramatically.

  74. Rondo says:

    N64,

    No one said it wasn’t dangerous.Maybe listen to Bongino

    • N64 says:

      Donald J. Trump
      @realDonaldTrump Mar 9 So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!

      Please stop comparing flu and coronavirus politics. Donald is listening to Dr. Fauci NOW. 10X as dangerous as the flu. Sez the good doctor.

      You and I are on the same page now, right?

  75. Harpers Hair says:

    godot10: The Canadian media is all on the government dole now.Not just the CBC.

    Pretty much and, if they’re not on the dole, they are funded by partisan political third parties.

    Huffington Post, the Narwhal, the National Observer, the Tyee among others are all funded by rabid left wing groups.

    There are also corresponding right wing “publications” with sketchy funding so I always advise “follow the money”.

    The only completely non-partisan news outlet in Canada that I have found is Ottawa-based Blacklocks Reporter that is completely subscriber funded and whose business model is holding governments to account mainly through freedom of information requests. They’re doing yeoman’s work under very difficult circumstances.

    Of note, Blacklock’s was founded by former CFRN TV reporter/anchor Holly Doan who I can attest is the most credible, trustworthy journalist who ever worked for me.

    After leaving CFRN she spent many years as a foreign correspondent with an extended period reporting from China.

    She’s the McDavid of Canadian journalism.

  76. Harpers Hair says:

    N64:
    Surely you mean the Brogan Rafferty. Thanks for the recommendation

    Everyone knows that Rex Murphy is the Brogan Rafferty of Canadian journalism.

    Older but better.

    Get with the program.😎

  77. JimmyV1965 says:

    Harpers Hair: I do enjoy it…but from the perspective of someone with 40 years in journalism.

    I’m constantly astounded how polarized and partisan the media have become.

    Some here will remember when journalists endeavored to be objective and present a well balanced perspective on issues.No more so it’s critical for any thinking news consumer to sample as many sources and then think for themselves.

    The dichotomy between Fox News and CNN is readily apparent but the left leaning echo chamber in Canada is much more dangerous since all the major networks have abandoned objectivity and have become Liberal fart catchers and most of the national print media are not much better.

    We do see some balance in the Globe and Mail and the National Post but, as fewer and fewer Canadians read those publications, their influence is waning and they’re being forced to buy out their best journalists for economic reasons.

    I spend 3-4 hours per day consuming news content from scores of sources as I find it’s the only way to winnow the wheat from the chaff. It’s the only way to be truly informed.

    Well said. Objective journalism has virtually disappeared in North America. I don’t think it’s a surprise because it basically mirrors the collapse of the MSM. The industry is on life support and the quality of journalism reflects that. In fact, there are very few journalism schools left in Canada. Most reporters now graduate from some form of communications program that blends marketing and journalism. Not surprising that the quality has circled the drain. I just listened to a very enlightening Sam Harris podcast that gives a little perspective on the corona virus. It’s objective with zero political undertones.

  78. Harpers Hair says:

    JimmyV1965: Well said. Objective journalism has virtually disappeared in North America. I don’t think it’s a surprise because it basically mirrors the collapse of the MSM. The industry is on life support and the quality of journalism reflects that. In fact, there are very few journalism schools left in Canada. Most reporters now graduate from some form of communications program that blends marketing and journalism. Not surprising that the quality has circled the drain. I just listened to a very enlightening Sam Harris podcast that gives a little perspective on the corona virus. It’s objective with zero political undertones.

    Yep.

    I once asked a journalism class I was teaching “by a show of hands, would you choose to be considered to be fair and balanced or would you choose to be successful?”

    2 fair and balanced…29 successful.

    Even in the remaining “journalism” schools, students are being taught to be “activist journalists”.

    Feelings trump facts all the time.

  79. defmn says:

    JimmyV1965: Well said. Objective journalism has virtually disappeared in North America. I don’t think it’s a surprise because it basically mirrors the collapse of the MSM. The industry is on life support and the quality of journalism reflects that. In fact, there are very few journalism schools left in Canada. Most reporters now graduate from some form of communications program that blends marketing and journalism. Not surprising that the quality has circled the drain. I just listened to a very enlightening Sam Harris podcast that gives a little perspective on the corona virus. It’s objective with zero political undertones.

    I would contend that it was journalism schools that started the downward spiral.

  80. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Harpers Hair: Yep.

    I once asked a journalism class I was teaching “by a show of hands, would you choose to be considered to be fair and balanced or would you choose to be successful?”

    2 fair and balanced…29 successful.

    Even in the remaining “journalism” schools, students are being taught to be “activist journalists”.

    Feelings trump facts all the time.

    This is why to me, especially in our circumstances, the gov’t funded news provider should be mandated to be absolutely neutral and only report facts and information.

    Unless they have a highly respected journalist such as Rex that would be explicitly named as editorial and also monitored for balance.

  81. Harpers Hair says:

    defmn: I would contend that it was journalism schools that started the downward spiral.

    You’re not wrong but it’s more complicated.

    Journalism schools coincided with the consolidation of the media industry which required a compliant work force with nice hair and shiny teeth.

    The movie Network foretold all of this.

  82. Rickety Cricket says:

    Harpers Hair: Yep.

    I once asked a journalism class I was teaching “by a show of hands, would you choose to be considered to be fair and balanced or would you choose to be successful?”

    2 fair and balanced…29 successful.

    Even in the remaining “journalism” schools, students are being taught to be “activist journalists”.

    Feelings trump facts all the time.

    In what world was journalism ever ‘objective’? This is hilarious.

  83. defmn says:

    Harpers Hair: You’re not wrong but it’s more complicated.

    Journalism schools coincided with the consolidation of the media industry which required a compliant work force with nice hair and shiny teeth.

    The movie Network foretold all of this.

    Professionalization of an industry always leads to conformity.

  84. VanIsleOil says:

    The Oilers have been busy since the season pause. These guys really are heroes…

    https://www.reddit.com/r/EdmontonOilers/comments/ffjomr/oilers_endgame/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x

  85. JimmyV1965 says:

    If anyone is interested in an objective, reasonable assessment of the Coronavirus, they should listen to a Sam Harris podcast with Nicholas Christakis.

    The first thing I learned is that Coronavirus is a family of viruses. This is not the first strain to infect the world. In fact, there are many strains of the virus. The most noteable is SARS.

    Christakis thinks the death rate will reach an upper bounds of 0.6%, which seems low but is 6 times higher than the common flu. He based his estimate on the mortality rate in Korea, which has done the most testing of the illness. Higher mortality rates being reported are most likely due to the fact that only sick people are being tested in some jurisdictions. He thinks 30-50% of the population will contract the virus, with most people not even showing any symptoms.

    Christakis says there’s four other common Coronavirus’ that circulate every year – they tend to peak in winter and spring and diminish in summer. Although no one knows for sure, he says it’s reasonable to expect a similar pattern with this strain.

    Although he didn’t dismiss the threat of the illness, he says that panic caused by fear could be even more dangerous. People tend to have irrational response to these crises, like stockpiling vast amounts of toilet paper. This can also create a situation where healthy people with minor symptoms run to the hospital, clogging up the system and making it more difficult to treat serious cases.

    It’s an excellent podcast that will give people a good perspective on the virus without inciting panic.

    • N64 says:

      That’s low. Not bad. But you need to make 2 serious adjustments that are going to take you to at least the numbers Dr. Fauci uses.

      First, 28.7% of cases are age 20-29. But that group only makes up 16% of Korea.
      That anamoly is because the #1 gov’t testing target was Shincheonji (62.8% of cases trace back to that group) and Shincheonji’s primary recruitment is women in that age group

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_South_Korea

      Second, most cases are still recent enough to be still in progress towards recovery or death. Sadly you have to project more mortality for people in the balance.

      1% is a pretty good estimate. That’s the kind of number Dr. Fauci is working with when he says 10X worse than the flu.

      JimmyV1965: healthy people with minor symptoms run to the hospital, clogging up the system and making it more difficult to treat serious cases.

      The big clog for hospitals is in the ICU and when they run out of respirators that’s where the death rate soars to 30-50x flu.

      Certainly important to warn folks not to go to emergency. Don’t know about elsewhere, but Korea and Canada if you have symptoms 1st step you call them. The 2nd step is not normally in hospital. Korea has drive in centres. Alberta is heading there but will currently drive to you to test you.,

  86. Harpers Hair says:

    Scungilli Slushy: This is why to me, especially in our circumstances, the gov’t funded news provider should be mandated to be absolutely neutral and only report facts and information.

    Unless they have a highly respected journalist such as Rex that would be explicitly named as editorial and also monitored for balance.

    Which minder chooses the minder?

    The news industry is so co-opted by corporate and activist influence that finding fairness and balance is almost impossible.

    Let me tell you a story…sorry Lowetide for the hijack.

    Many years ago, I was covering an Alberta Federation of Labour convention.

    NDP leader Pam Barrett was the keynote speaker who gave an impassioned plea for pay equity.

    She received a thunderous ovation from the thousands of union members in attendance.

    After the speech, I requested a live interview with her and she agreed.

    It had to occurred to me that mandated pay equity would require ripping up every union contract in the province since they all contained seniority clauses.

    I had done my research and discovered that women interrupt their service in the work force 4 times as often as men…mostly because of child birth and rearing.

    Therefore, under seniority clauses, men would always be paid more than men.

    Ms. Barrett, after hearing the question, broke down in tears and could not continue the interview.

    I was astounded that neither the leader of the NDP nor the Alberta Federation of Labour had even thought about this.

    While there is most certainly a case to be made that child care should be valued as much as a year or two on the job, none of those actively involved had even given it cursory thought, instead just demanding more and more money.

    The next day, my boss received union complaints and I personally received death threats for asking the question.

    Activism is a dangerous drug.

  87. JimmyV1965 says:

    defmn: I would contend that it was journalism schools that started the downward spiral.

    This is probably more of a reflection of post secondary schools in general. The percentage of left leaning professors is something like 60% now, and right leaning profs are down to about 10%.

  88. defmn says:

    JimmyV1965: This is probably more of a reflection of post secondary schools in general. The percentage of left leaning professors is something like 60% now, and right leaning profs are down to about 10%.

    In the Faculty of Arts I believe left leaning professors are more in the 90% range from all the data that I have read. Almost impossible to get hired otherwise. When they do these surveys profs in Math, Engineering, Computer Science etc. tend to even out the distribution but the Arts are pretty much an embarrassment to themselves these days.

  89. Rickety Cricket says:

    JimmyV1965: This is probably more of a reflection of post secondary schools in general. The percentage of left leaning professors is something like 60% now, and right leaning profs are down to about 10%.

    What does this mean? Left-leaning how?

  90. defmn says:

    Rickety Cricket: What does this mean? Left-leaning how?

    From the Historicist school. Usually traced to Hegel although a case can be made for Rousseau depending on a lot of details most people don’t care about. 😉

    • Rickety Cricket says:

      I would be shocked if even 20% of my Phil profs were Historicists. I bet less than 20% have read Hegel.

      I find the narrative that universities are ‘leftist’ ideological institutions fascinating. It is almost assuredly propagated by people who have not been to university or who have not been to university in the last 20 years.

  91. Side says:

    Harpers Hair: No one was talking about CEO’s dimwit.

    You only called him out on the CEO bit.

    Glad we are in agreement on the rest.

  92. barry.moore23 says:

    AZOIL:
    Live in AZ, from Alberta. All the local sports talk is saying OEL of the Coyotes is a bum and they should get rid of him? Maybe he is having a rough year, but for the numbers guys, what do his fancies show over the last few years? If I remember correctly he was considered a top 2 Dman?

    AZOIL,

    I live in Glendale and hear the same. I think fans see that OEL is not fast enough to be a top D. He was a top 4 D when he came here, but that has changed. I think in one game he was beaten to the net by Riley Sheahan. The Coyotes broadcast team didn’t really beat him up for that, but I noticed it as my boss had been talking to me about that very situation. Maybe a bit like a left handed Adam Larsson (one of my favorite Oilers). Anyway the wife and I love it here and go to quite a few Coyotes games.. Peace.

  93. flyfish1168 says:

    BONE207:
    Joystick??? You’re dating yourself Fishy Fishy

    If it’s not a joy stick what do you call it than?

  94. Harpers Hair says:

    Back to hockey.

    The 2011 draft revisited:

    https://twitter.com/JFreshHockey/status/1238579343607181318

    • Rickety Cricket says:

      How good was the Mark Scheifele pick?

      It is an interesting list, the 2011 draft was quite strong.

      • Ryan says:

        I’ve looked at the a Jets draft history before.

        Outside of the first, there’s no magic, but in the first round, they’re stone-cold killers.

        Remember. Scheifele was a “walk about “ pick at the time.

        I recall people feeling pity for the Jets for selecting him at the time.

  95. OilFire says:

    Jesus. Glad I’m finding out about this crazy bias in hiring professors here on Lowetide. Weird that I didn’t hear about it at my job though. My job *as* a professor.

    • Side says:

      It’a conspiracy theory echo chamber night tonight.

      You are just brainwashed through your post secondary education to be left leaning, don’t you know?

      Either that or you were only selected because you were left leaning.

    • JimmyV1965 says:

      Rickety Cricket:
      I would be shocked if even 20% of my Phil profs were Historicists. I bet less than 20% have read Hegel.

      I find the narrative that universities are ‘leftist’ ideological institutions fascinating. It is almost assuredly propagated by people who have not been to university or who have not been to university in the last 20 years.

      There have been dozens of studies that confirm this. I just assumed it was commonly accepted knowledge.

  96. leadfarmer says:

    Harpers Hair,

    And I’m sure after she came to after her fit of womenly histeria she said no one has ever used this completely non debunked arguement Mr Troll guy and I wish I could have your babies and cook for you while you do the important manly things like thinking for the both of us

  97. Harpers Hair says:

    Ryan:
    I’ve looked at the a Jets draft history before.

    Outside of the first, there’s no magic, but in the first round, they’re stone-cold killers.

    Remember. Scheifele was a “walk about “ pick at the time.

    I recall people feeling pity for the Jets for selecting him at the time.

    The Lightning got Kucherov at #58 and Palat at 207.

    Oh my.

  98. Harpers Hair says:

    N64:
    If I was from any other province I’d never believe even 10% of that story. I’ll buy that she was ruined her day. But you 100% lost me at could not. Try would not.

    Pam was an Alberta original. Definitely the type to be taken from us. Unfortunately not to Salt Spring Island. We lost her to cancer.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20080114032654/http://www.near-death.com/forum/nde/001/02.html

    Were you there?

    I was.

    I liked Pam, she was a very nice person but she was an ideologue whose partisanship couldn’t stand up to even the slightest scrutiny.

    • Side says:

      What year and where was the conference held? Just curious.

    • N64 says:

      HH, I made an edit before you replied. To avoid confusion I’ve pulled it. The addition was that I could easily believe she was emotive. Also ruined her day was not meant to judge her or you. But wouldn’t is more believable. Couldn’t is opinion. I think we all liked her.

  99. jp says:

    Rondo: I went back and looked at the stats and I was stunned. Are you ready for this? The swine flu outbreak in this country in 2009 and 2010, 60 million Americans were infected. Do you remember that? Sixty million were infected. Dr. Siegel, one of the Fox doctors was on TV explaining this last night. He was not my primary source for it, but he ended up confirming it. Sixty million people were infected.

    Do you know how many people were hospitalized in 2009-2010 with the swine flu? Three hundred thousand were hospitalized. So 60 million people infected, 300,000 hospitalized. And nobody even remembers it. And why? Well, because we had a different president. We had a Democrat president by the name of Barack Obama, and the news then was how wonderfully well Obama was handling it, how expertly well Obama was dealing with it.

    I’m pretty late to this. But in terms of the actual numbers you can find them here:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_flu_pandemic_in_the_United_States

    Yes, 60 million infected with swine flu. Roughly 265,000 hospitalized. How many died? 12,000.

    If you don’t like wikipedia the CDC will tell you the same (and the CDC was the source for much of the Wiki info anyway): https://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/estimates/April_March_13.htm

    12,000 deaths of 60 million cases. That’s a 0.02% death rate.

    Estimates for COVID-19 range from something like 4% to possibly less than 1% (0.7% is the lowest guess I’ve seen).

    Right now, today, 3.7% of coronavirus patients worldwide have died. 3 main factors are going to affect that number:
    1) A ton of people have coronavirus that don’t know it, so the 3.7% number will get smaller
    2) But many of the people who currently have coronavirus will ultimately die, so the number will get larger
    3) More or less people who have it will die based on what kind of medical treatment they get. If they get high quality treatment (which can include occupying a hospital bed for 3-6 weeks while on a ventilator) the number will be lower. If they don’t get that treatment the number will get higher.

    I think factor number 1 will have the biggest impact, most probably the final death rate from COVID-19 will be considerably lower than 3.7%.

    But if the cases are allowed to get our of control such that a large number can’t get health care when they need it things could be pretty bad.

    By the way, if we were looking at 60 million Americans being affected by Coronavirus (like were affected by the Swine flu), what would the deaths look like?

    Swine Flu 0.02% 12,000
    COVID-19 at 1% 600,000
    COVID-19 at 2% 1.2 million
    COVID-19 at 3% 1.8 million

    Hopefully 60 million won’t get infected, but this is not the Swine flu, no matter what Fox is telling you. It’s simply not in the same ball park. Hence the reaction.

  100. leadfarmer says:

    Side,

    Conference of make belief

  101. defmn says:

    OilFire:
    Jesus. Glad I’m finding out about this crazy bias in hiring professors here on Lowetide. Weird that I didn’t hear about it at my job though. My job *as* a professor.

    Considering that all of the social sciences trace their roots to the mid to late 19th century and are based largely on Weber’s fact/value distinction based upon Hegel’s historicism I don’t see how it would be possible for the Arts departments – heavily populated by sociology and its offspring – to not be left leaning since that is their seminal influence.

    This is not meant to say anything about whether that perspective is correct or mistaken. It simply traces the perspective to its genesis. Which would be my field of expertise – political philosophy. 😉

  102. defmn says:

    Side:
    What year and where was the conference held? Just curious.

    I worked at the Alberta Legislature back when Pam was an MLA. HH is not wrong about her other than that I didn’t think she was particularly nice. A pit bull for her beliefs – which I have complete respect for but ‘nice’ would be a stretch.

  103. Side says:

    I don’t doubt his take on her personality, just the rest of it.

  104. defmn says:

    Side:
    I don’t doubt his take on her personality, just the rest of it.

    HH does enjoy flaunting his skills as a raconteur.

  105. who says:

    ArmchairGM:
    Let’s say the draft rolls around and Puljujarvi still refuses to sign with Edmonton. Do you trade him to Buffalo for Mittelstadt 1-for-1? Why or why not?

    I think I would.

  106. Lowetide says:

    I deleted a bunch of nonsense, and left some other nonsense. Friday the 13th has 45 minutes to go. Can we get through it without something crazy? Please and thanks.

  107. who says:

    €√¥£€^$:
    In the short time he has been here I have been extremely unimpressed with AA.In some ways his tentative/unengaged approach without the puck reminds me of POS.I had high hopes for him, but I see him as a player that doesn’t move the needle.IMO Jesse is a heads and shoulders a superior player.

    I am curious what others are thinking….Has anyone watched pre-Oiler AA closely?Is he a vastly different player in 19-20 vs 18-19.I am very disappointed in the acquisition cost, but I was quite happy that Holland got Kuffner, who might prove to be the real value in this deal in 2 seasons.

    Thoughts???

    I thought AA had his best game as an Oiler Wednesday night.
    We’re probably won’t know for sure till Christmas next year.

  108. defmn says:

    who: I thought AA had his best game as an Oiler Wednesday night.
    We’re probably won’t know for sure till Christmas next year.

    I’m in the same camp as you but what does that say about the coaching staff in Detroit if it is true? And, of course, Holland hired him so that is a whole other path to consider.

    • €√¥£€^$ says:

      I agree that AA had his best game vs Spy, but I don’t like how passive he is, at least JP is an effective forechecker. Whereas AA don’t a lot of standing around and IMO seems to half-assed it when he doesn’t have the puck. When I see that, it gives me the impression he is not a competitor and in my experience does not bode well for success in the NHL.

      I am all for giving chances, but I have a hard time with vets who should be able to figure things out fairly quickly. To me I would have no qualms today about trading AA at the draft for a 2nd.

      • Munny says:

        And maybe that was the play, although it goes against the verbal. Still, there’s likely an out there if Holland so desires.

        GMs and coaches tend to be far more patient than we-the-fanbase though.

    • Dustylegnd says:

      it say the coaching staff in Detroit has :

      a) a collection of replacement level forwards

      b) a collection of replacement level D

      both groups a & b have a few decent NHL talents, they also have mediocre goal tending

      C) because of a & b the goaltending is mediocre as well

      AA was/is having a bad year…..will be interesting to see what he can do with better talent around him

  109. Ribs says:

    Lowetide:
    I deleted a bunch of nonsense, and left some other nonsense. Friday the 13th has 45 minutes to go. Can we get through it without something crazy? Please and thanks.

    The life of Lowetide *facepalm*. Thank you for all that you do.

  110. Ribs says:

    €√¥£€^$:
    In the short time he has been here I have been extremely unimpressed with AA.In some ways his tentative/unengaged approach without the puck reminds me of POS.I had high hopes for him, but I see him as a player that doesn’t move the needle.IMO Jesse is a heads and shoulders a superior player.

    I am curious what others are thinking….Has anyone watched pre-Oiler AA closely?Is he a vastly different player in 19-20 vs 18-19.I am very disappointed in the acquisition cost, but I was quite happy that Holland got Kuffner, who might prove to be the real value in this deal in 2 seasons.

    Thoughts???

    I admittedly haven’t been watching too closely, but nothing seems to stand out about this guy. I have been assuming it is due to injury. I still hope that is the case.

  111. Munny says:

    defmn: Considering that all of the social sciences trace their roots to the mid to late 19th century and are based largely on Weber’s fact/value distinction based upon Hegel’s historicism I don’t see how it would be possible for the Arts departments – heavily populated by sociology and its offspring – to not be left leaning since that is their seminal influence.

    This is not meant to say anything about whether that perspective is correct or mistaken. It simply traces the perspective to its genesis. Which would be my field of expertise – political philosophy.😉

    While Hegel is undoubtedly the traditional source for Classical Marxism and presumably much of modern pedagogy (with help from Prussia), hasn’t the more recent shift in Post-secondaries been more greatly influenced by the likes of Derrida and Foucault (et al)?

    Honest question.

  112. flyfish1168 says:

    Munny: Game Controller

    They look like dis:

    https://www.google.ca/search?q=game+controller&hl=en&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjKttOA3ZnoAhWrGTQIHYjBCREQ_AUoAXoECBQQAw

    Thx. I might have to get a console and a game controller. Which console is the most reliable and with most options? I’m new to this.

    • BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

      Xbox and PlayStation.

      I’m a fan of the latter, others prefer the former. Camps often seem to be sided largely on controller preference. Try them out and see what fits you best. Can’t go wrong either way.

      The PS5 will be released later this year (pending manufacturing delays), not sure about where Xbox is on their production cycle.

    • Genjutsu says:

      How big are your hands?

      If you have big hands Xbox is engineered for large North American hands.

      PlayStation is probably a better overall platform but the controller is not designed with giant poeple in mind.

      Just my two cents.

  113. Lowetide says:

    New for The Athletic: What does Jesse Puljujarvi’s Liiga season tell us about his future?

    https://theathletic.com/1675206/2020/03/14/lowetide-what-does-jesse-puljujarvis-liiga-season-tell-us-about-his-future/

  114. OriginalPouzar says:

    €√¥£€^$:
    I agree that AA had his best game vs Spy, but I don’t like how passive he is, at least JP is an effective forechecker.Whereas AA don’t a lot of standing around and IMO seems to half-assed it when he doesn’t have the puck.When I see that, it gives me the impression he is not a competitor and in my experience does not bode well for success in the NHL.

    I am all for giving chances, but I have a hard time with vets who should be able to figure things out fairly quickly.To me I would have no qualms today about trading AA at the draft for a 2nd.

    I agree that AA was underwhelming and his overall performance in his 8-9 games as an Oiler a bit disappointing. Of course we all acknowledge the sample size and I think we can/should all expect a much different player come October (assuming normal 2020/21 scheduling) – not a player devoid of confidence at both a personal and team level and a player that will have a training camp under the current coaches – that can’t be understated I don’t think.

    Lets not forget, it took the likes of Sheahan and Archie time to settle in to their roles on the team. They both battled injury early, just like AA has, and it took some time.

    His poor season should allow for a contract signing around his QO and, I assume the player signs for one year, betting on himself for next season.

  115. defmn says:

    Munny: While Hegel is undoubtedly the traditional source for Classical Marxism and presumably much of modern pedagogy (with help from Prussia), hasn’t the more recent shift in Post-secondaries been more greatly influenced by the likes of Derrida and Foucault (et al)?

    Honest question.

    The short answer is yes. Post-modernism – a term I dislike because it is nonsensical – is an unholy blend of Marxist epistemology with Nietzschean metaphysics imo.

    That is not a common opinion, btw, so you would get a lot of push back if you ever happened to mention it to somebody who considers themselves a post-modernist but I believe it to be true in its most important features.

  116. defmn says:

    I just ran across this today and thought you might be interested. The book is by a metaphysicist and the 1st sentence of the preface caught my eye because he is the first writer I have seen who sees Nietzsche’s fingerprints all over post-modernism’s metaphysical base. I can’t copy and paste it here because it is one of the preview pages for a book that Amazon sells.

    I also liked the 1st sentence because it mentions Darwin, Freud & Marx as the 3 central pillars of Modernism with Nietzsche peaking over their shoulders. This made me smile since my handle is DEFMN and I am sure you can figure out who the ‘E’ stands for.

    https://www.amazon.ca/Dugin-Against-Traditionalist-Critique-Political/dp/1597312193/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1GD36B21RI9E9&keywords=the+fourth+political+theory+dugin&qid=1585078177&sprefix=the+fourth+pol%2Caps%2C202&sr=8-1#reader_1597312193

    • Munny says:

      Lol, yup.

      In that Introduction, Upton calls Nietzsche a “Herald”. This coincides with the way I’ve always looked at him. That he was seeing the subtle effects D, F, and M on the world, was describing them and what he thought the consequences would likely be.

      How does he go from there to being one of the underpinnings of P-M? Did they merely seize the banners he predicted would charge to the forefront of society, or are they truly basing P-M on Nietzschean philosophy?

  117. defmn says:

    Munny:
    Lol, yup.

    In that Introduction, Upton calls Nietzsche a “Herald”.This coincides with the way I’ve always looked at him.That he was seeing the subtle effects D, F, and M on the world, was describing them and what he thought the consequences would likely be.

    How does he go from there to being one of the underpinnings of P-M?Did they merely seize the banners he predicted would charge to the forefront of society, or are they truly basing P-M on Nietzschean philosophy?

    Radical relativism – or ‘perspectivism’ – is the lever required to open the window that allows reason to be rejected as just another viewpoint lacking any more validity than any other. From there it is a short step to dismissing truth as anything other than sophism.

    Without Nietzsche’s metaphysical base for refuting the permanence of ideas in favour of radical historicism Foucault has no starting point imo.

    The break between classical philosophy and modernity that begins with Bacon/Hobbes reaches its logical conclusion with Nietzsche who is then used by the post modernists to dismantle the legitimacy of philosophy.

    Or at least that is how I see it.

  118. Munny says:

    defmn,

    Totally understandable. And quickly checking Wikipedia, they agree with you!

    For me, though, I find that use of Nietzsche by the post-structuralists or whatever we’re calling them today to be a complete mis-reading of N.

    Firstly, I think poetry and artistry very nearly come before Philosophy for N.. Psychology might even have preceded Philosophy in N’s mind. And with poetry comes ambiguity, which is not helped by using dichotomy as a way of explicating the world or beingness. He’s almost Manichean in that dualist respect. There are many contradictions in N’s writing,.. where he praises things in one context and reviles them in another.

    For me he is not a solid base for anything, other than acting as a herald for what was coming to his contemporaries… which I think he absolutely nailed. I typically approach him as Jung would/did.

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