James Neal. Joakim Nygard. Tracers.

James Neal had an interesting season. He had a four-goal game against the New York Islanders after scoring two against the Los Angeles Kings at the beginning of the year. He followed those two games with another goal against New Jersey on October 10, another against Chicago on October 14 and yet another against Detroit on October 18. Through eight games, Neal had nine goals. Incredible.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of The Athletic, less than two coffees a month offer here. 

  • New Lowetide: What does Jesse Puljujarvi’s Liiga season tell us about his future?
  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: How Oilers plan to help arena workers unclear with games postponed
  • Lowetide: NHL season on hold might impact Oilers evaluations, summer plans
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman and Jonathan Willis: Key questions surround Oilers in wake of NHL’s coronavirus suspension
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman and Murat Ates: ‘It hits you so hard’: Health crisis puts vital Oilers-Jets game in perspective
  • Jonathan Willis: Mikko Koskinen vs. Mike Smith: Who starts Game 1 for the Oilers?
  • Lowetide: Oilers’ Ryan Nugent-Hopkins has found a home as a winger
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Q&A: GM Ken Holland on Oilers’ playoff push, offseason plans and Hart thoughts
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Oilers observations: Mikko Koskinen comes through in offensive power outage
  • Jonathan Willis: Evan Bouchard, Tyler Benson and more: 20 observations on the Bakersfield Condors
  • Lowetide: Caleb Jones represents Oilers template for development success
  • Jonathan Willis: Rookie pros Dmitri Samorukov, Kirill Maksimov learning in Oilers’ system
  • Lowetide: Oscar Klefbom’s return and usage a key element for Oilers stretch run
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: How ‘little firecracker’ Josh Archibald went from unknown to vital with Oilers
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Determining Connor McDavid’s linemates remains a pressing and perplexing problem
  • Lowetide: Reasonable expectations for Andreas Athanasiou and Tyler Ennis over the next 15 games.
  • Jonathan Willis: Ryan McLeod offers the Oilers size and speed. But will he score in the NHL?
  • Jonathan Willis: Which players pose the biggest threat to Leon Draisaitl winning the Hart Trophy?
  • Lowetide: How the Oilers deadline deals might alter summer plans
  • Jonathan Willis: Splitting Connor McDavid and Leon Draisaitl saved the Oilers’ season
  • Lowetide: Is the OHL still the Oilers’ primary resource at the draft?
  • Lowetide: The Oilers’ 2017 draft and the value of waiting five years

James Neal

In the first month of the year, James Neal scored eight power-play goals in less than 49 minutes (via NST). He would score four more PP goals in the following 109 minutes. In October, Neal averaged about 3.5 minutes on the power play; from November to the suspension of play, he averaged a little over 2.5 minutes with the man advantage. For the season, he ranks No. 2 in goals per 60 on the power play with 4.55 goals per 60 (Evander Kane) among forwards who have played 100 or more minutes. That’s an outstanding number.

Neal’s five on five performance over the last two seasons has been well documented. He’s eroding. However, in 296 five on five minutes with Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, he scored four goals (.81 goals per 60) and a Corsi of 51.8 percent. That goal rate (.81 per 60) would rank him No. 112 among NHL forwards who played 400+ minutes at five on five this season. That’s at the top end of the average second line forward in today’s NHL. Is that a role Neal can play next season?

Joakim Nygard

On February 11, about one month ago, the Oilers signed winger Joakim Nyard to a one-year extension. The fast train has endured a couple of injuries in his first NHL season and the goals (three) haven’t come easy.

It’s fairly obvious there’s a player here. Nygard’s 1.27 points-per-60 at five on five is shy, but his shooting percentage (2.7) is bound to improve. He owns a 50 percent shot differential at five on five, and a 50.9 DFF percentage against elites. My guess is he’ll be one of the four left-wingers (Nuge, Ennis, Athanasiou, Nygard?) next fall. Note: I think Khaira will be on the team in the fall, as a center.

THROUGH THE PAST, DARKLY

2009 summer “MacT in a Box” post: This coach has shown a very specific and obvious tendency towards defense even in regard to rookie forwards. Fernando Pisani is a guy that may have been passed over (or taken longer to arrive) based on draft pedigree and both the 06-07 and 07-08 teams have had some young players hitting below the Mendoza line and still getting their at-bats. MacT loves forwards who can play solid postional games, and even when discussing kids like Gagner and Nilsson will make a point to mention that they have to ensure the offense they’re generating isn’t exceeded by what they’re giving up. A kid like Gagner is going to benefit heavily from this kind of coach, in a way someone like Rick Nash is only now getting around to in his career. Note from 2020: MacT would not coach Gagner in 2009-10.

1983 Fall TC

“Sammy Pollock used to say all jobs are open in Montreal but who was he kidding? Nobody was going to take Larry Robinson’s job or Guy Lafleur’s. In our camp I refuse to tell the players that. But I’d love it if somebody took a job away from a returning player. If that happened, that would make our team stronger.” Glen Sather, fall 1983

Tomorrow, I’ll have a prospects item for you at The Athletic and we’ll chat about the 50-man here. I don’t like to brag (seriously, I hate it) but this is kind of my wheel house. As a Dad, I was expert at keeping my kids amused during long, boring road trips. I hope you’re not offended by my comparing you to children. Unrelated: Who is up for a sing-a-long?

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  1. flyfish1168 says:

    Cold Canadian winter evening and no Hockey night in Canada. I really enjoyed CBC decision to show two games on Saturday evening,Their best decision. Doesn’t sound right that there won’t be any games. It is for the best to fight covid 19. Movie night instead unless I buy a game console and learn about Game controllers. lol

  2. N64 says:

    Are we there yet?

  3. LEAP OF FAITH says:

    N64,

    Row, row, row your boat,
    Gently down the stream,
    Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily,
    Life is but a dream.

  4. dessert1111 says:

    I think Neal will be one of the most interesting decisions this offseason.

    The three scenarios are trade, buyout, or keep on the roster.

    If it’s a trade, it’ll be for a loss – whether it’s taking back another bad contract or giving up something of value. I think the best case scenario is probably a trade with half the salary retained or something built along a bigger, more complex package.

    A buyout extends the pain. I hate seeing the wasted cap dollars from buy outs, and I don’t think I’ve been in favour of any of the last several buyouts (Sekera, Pouliot, certainly Gryba) – although with Neal, I would be *more ok* with it.

    He could be kept on the roster in the hopes that he has some more good streaks or can lose some of his negative value over the year to make the last two years of his contract tradeable. The issue with this is I think he and Chiasson are similar players. Chiasson adds more to the powerplay, or at the very least they’re close, and both players are slow, streaky goal scorers. Chiasson is obviously much cheaper, and I think he is also better defensively.

    With the cap uncertainties going forward, I think I would hold off on a buyout for another year, even if it means rolling the dice and seeing if he can play the role Gagner did in Columbus (4th line evens, 1PP).

    The issue with this, though, is that your 4th line should be something like Sheahan/Haas-Archibald-Nygard – Neal would be a better fit on an outscoring third line, but I think he might be a net negative in that role.

    Next year, I would rather Athanasiou on that third line, with an unknown centre (free agency/trade) and Chiasson to start with Benson waiting to take his job. That leaves Neal as a very, very expensive pressbox guy until injuries start.

  5. Brantford Boy says:

    LEAP OF FAITH,

    97 bottles of beer on the wall, 97 bottles of beer… take one down, pass it around…

  6. jtblack says:

    The wheels on the bus go round and round,
    round and round, round and round,
    The wheels on the bus …………

  7. N64 says:

    You got that lyric wrong. Pretty sure it’s:

    The Boys on the Bus go round and round
    Round and round
    Round and round
    The Boys on the Bus go round and round
    All through the town

  8. Brantford Boy says:

    Tracers… question:
    We are to believe Stevie Y asked for a first rounder for Andreas Athanasiou… but Holland got him for 2 second rounders.

    If we could get either of these pieces (1 first, 2 seconds) back in return at the draft, would you move on from this player? Yes or No…

    Bonus:
    What draft picks would a fair return be for Khaira?

  9. oilersfan says:

    I’m not sure what sportsnet will do but if they own the rights they should televise in Edmonton all the games from 2006 Stanley run, in Calgary the 2004 run, in Vancouver the 2011 run. Not sure what they would watch in Toronto … maybe 1993? Anyways I know I would watch the 2006 run again.

    During intermission interview Pisani, Smyth ,Pronger, Horcoff , etc
    Would be awesome

  10. Fuge Udvar says:

    Good thing Holland got most of his summer work done early. If we do get playoffs it could be a pretty short off season.

    Ennis-McDavid-Kassian
    Nuge-Draisaitl-Yamo
    AA-New guy-Archibald
    Nygard-Sheahan-Neal
    Khaira-Chaisson

    Klefbom-Larsson
    Nurse-Bear
    Jones-Benning
    Russel-Bouchard

    Holland could easily bring back nearly this entire team if he has faith in it. I’d imagine he tries to move Chaisson, Benning and Russell. An upgrade on Ennis with someone a little more toolsy would be nice but I don’t mind him there. McDavid needs Kunitz more than an Ovechkin. Haas will be in the NHL, just not on this team.

  11. flyfish1168 says:

    If the season is canceled I’m guessing we won’t owe the phlegms the 3rd round pick.

  12. Ben says:

    Who had “Neal=Selivanov” on the 19/20 bingo card?

    Covid may have sealed Neal’s fate. Had the cap gone up by $4-5M, maybe Holland keeps him on a grinder line for another year.

    As it is, I think he gets bought out (saving about $4M) so KH can add another winger.

    What a spectacular trade…

  13. Seismic Source says:

    oilersfan,

    What a great idea.

    Toronto gets the Yule tide log.

  14. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Via @ardonkurt1975 on Twitter:

    Hello out there, we’re off the air, no Hockey Night tonight.
    Gates are closed, tension grows, no pucks go down the ice.
    The players wait, to hear their fate, this Corona is a pain!
    As it stands, “Wash your hands!” to resume the hockey game!

    Oh!………#hockeysong ? #hockey

  15. Fuge Udvar says:

    I’m sure the trade conditions didn’t include and clause about league play suspensions. I think we are in the clear

  16. JimmyV1965 says:

    Brantford Boy:
    Tracers… question:
    We are to believe Stevie Y asked for a first rounder for Andreas Athanasiou… but Holland got him for 2 second rounders.

    If we could get either of these pieces (1 first, 2 seconds) back in return at the draft, would you move on from this player? Yes or No…

    Bonus:
    What draft picks would a fair return be for Khaira?

    Definitely not moving on from AA. His value is probably the lowest it will ever be. He has scored at every level, including a long track record in the NHL. Even if you ignore his 30 goal season, he has scored at a 20-goal pace throughout his career. Maybe he has hit some kind of wall and will never be the player he was, but his track record screams 20 goals +.

  17. Cape Breton Oilers 4EVR says:

    This would be amazing!!

  18. Mr DeBakey says:

    Alex Chiasson has been on the ice for 138 5v4 minutes; the Oilers have scored 30 goals.
    James Neal has been on the ice for 148:46 5v4 minutes; the Oilers have scored 27 goals.

    Advantage Chiasson.

  19. Ben says:

    Agree. Flip side of him having a down season is you can maybe get him for at least a year at QO numbers.

  20. N64 says:

    Cap likely flat or down. Decent chance each team gets one cap free buyout.

  21. Ben says:

    If NHL resumes in a couple of weeks they should start with best-of-3 wildcard playoffs: 7v10, 8v9.

  22. tileguy says:

    Awesom

  23. jtblack says:

    Ben:
    If NHL resumes in a couple of weeks they should start with best-of-3 wildcard playoffs: 7v10, 8v9.

    1 case in China was Dec.31st .. they are still in lockdown .

    So there won’t be a “start it up” in 2 weeks …. Think more like 2 Months, best case

  24. N64 says:

    Only catch is that any games involving teams that could occupy those spots with 72 GP should be played or or those teams included some other way.

  25. Andy Dufresne says:

    So if the season is over…..does that mean we dont have to give Calgary our 3rd round pick??

  26. Mr DeBakey says:

    How about, sort by Pts Per Game
    Top 13 into the play-offs
    Next nine split into 3 pools of 3: 14-19-22, 15-18-21, 16-17-20
    Single round robin with the top team from each pool advancing to the round of 16.
    Bottom 9 teams just go golfing.

  27. godot10 says:

    N64:
    Are we there yet?

    When is the helicopter money going to fall from the sky for us normal folk, not just the 1%?

  28. Genjutsu says:

    Replace go with drink.
    And with after.

    Pretty sure.

  29. Wilde says:

    I have season totals because season total’d

    Regular Condors forwards (GP) by iCF/GP / / iCFA/GP / / iCont/GP / / iCont%

    Gambardella (50) – 2.86 / / 2.96 / / 5.82 / / 43.60%

    Yamamoto (23) – 3.13 / / 3.65 / / 6.78 / / 37.40%

    Esposito (56) – 2.07 / / 1.89 / / 3.96 / / 32.52%

    Stukel (35) – 2.46 / / 0.69 / / 3.14 / / 35.19%

    Maksimov (53) – 2.40 / / 1.64 / / 4.04 / / 38.40%

    Peluso (37) – 1.54 / / 1.62 / / 3.16 / / 33.10%

    Koules (32) – 1.94 / / 1.14 / / 3.00 / / 28.22%

    Benson (47) – 2.70 / / 3.13 / / 5.83 / / 41.39%

    Malone (49) – 1.90 / / 2.43 / / 4.33 / / 33.18%

    Currie (56) – 4.61 / / 1.89 / / 6.50 / / 45.25%

    Marody (30) – 2.13 / / 2.93 / / 5.07 / / 34.19%

    Hebig (31) – 1.71 / / 0.81 / / 2.52 / / 31.99%

    Cave (44) – 3.09 / / 2.39 / / 5.48 / / 36.42%

    McLeod (56) – 1.59 / / 2.21 / / 3.80 / / 35.98%

    Granlund (20) – 2.50 / / 2.05 / / 4.55 / / 35.03%

    e: should do definitions

    iCF = individual shot attempt
    iCFA = individual shot attempt primary assist
    iCont = individual shot contributions (sum of the above two)
    iCont% = share of the team’s shot attempts-for the player was on the ice for that they released or had the primary assist on

  30. jtblack says:

    I would say that would be the case … Neal did not score 21, so no 3rd goes to Calgary

  31. Wilde says:

    when the central committee’s decree scares them enough

  32. Ben says:

    Yeah, probably. There was talk of starting back up in empty arenas assuming all players and staff had tested negative, but travel restrictions have surely kiboshed that.

  33. €√¥£€^$ says:

    Agreed.

    During the lock-out HNIC showed classic games that fans voted on, maybe we see a return to that.

  34. €√¥£€^$ says:

    1. Yes

    2. High 4th or low 5th

  35. Andy Dufresne says:

    I dont think the James Neal decision is binary or static. The logic changes depending on several variables.

    1) What does the roster need. Can what the roster needs be added if we buyout Neal?

    2) Is what the roster needs even available in the market place?

    3) Do any of our prospects require a roster spot in order to maintian thier development trajectory?

    4) What does the cap even look like after the season ends prematurley and revenue is way down?

    5) Will the NHL allow a compliance buyout for each team given the delta between the projected cap for 2020/21 (on which GMs built out their rosters) and the actual cap for 2020/21

    6) Given the variables 1 through 5 above AND the trajectory of status as a “cup contender” is there an “optimal” year in which to buyout Neal? 2020? 2021? 2022?

    etc etc

  36. Andy Dufresne says:

    I spy with my little eye something that is

  37. Andy Dufresne says:

    Punch Buggy! PUNCH!…..OOOWWE!…..MOM!!!

  38. €√¥£€^$ says:

    I think Haas has NHL skill and definitely NHL speed, and I like his determination, but he is not built for the NHL game. Also he is very poor at face-offs.

    I doubt he returns to the league next year and his body will thank him for it.

  39. Johnny skid says:

    looking for hand-outs is not a recipe for success.

  40. N64 says:

    If 5 is YES 1 second after the period open.

  41. godot10 says:

    The NHL is not going to resume play in a couple of weeks.

    The world is not going to resume in a couple of weeks.

    The denial is still so strong out there.

  42. Mr DeBakey says:

    Tell that to the 1%

  43. N64 says:

    Salaried workers get carried. Retirees get carried. They pay farmers not to plant. However long they need people to stay at home they have to finance that if no one else is

    Like one Freedom Caucus guy said (from memory) Guess we are all socialist during a shared pandemic.

  44. godot10 says:

    I hope it is paper currency that falls. We will need it to use as toilet paper.

    Strange world we will be living in. When toilet paper is money, and paper currency is toilet paper.

  45. Andy Dufresne says:

    I wonder if we should adopt a standard practice in here of specifying top 10 Middle 10 and Bottom 10 of each round when we are trying peg value or propose a trade.

    Becasue the value of the first 10 picks in the 2nd round is much higher than a pick in the last 10 of the 2nd round.

    Lets ady for example JJ is worth a 2nd rounder…. is that an early 2nd a middle 2nd or a late 2nd???

    The other obvious variable is, how deep is the draft in any given year.

    TO my eye, JJ is a replacemnt level player on a not great contract. If I were another team, I would not give up a top ten 2nd rounder for him.

    A middle of late 2nd rounder perhaps.

  46. €√¥£€^$ says:

    We’ll be there in a few minutes.

    Animal, vegetable or mineral?

  47. Andy Dufresne says:

    I sang it in my head as I read your text…..made me smile and feel good.

    Thanks.

  48. Andy Dufresne says:

    JimmyV1965: Definitely not moving on from AA. His value is probably the lowest it will ever be. He has scored at every level, including a long track record in the NHL. Even if you ignore his 30 goal season, he has scored at a 20-goal pace throughout his career. Maybe he has hit some kind of wall and will never be the player he was, but his track record screams 20 goals +.

    I think most GMs are longer term thinkers. Holland invested two 2nd rounders. MANY new adds to a team have an adjustment period. AA will be here until at least the trade dealine next year .imo

  49. Wilde says:

    The US-Canada border will be closed/pretty much closed two weeks from now…

  50. €√¥£€^$ says:

    This trade does not include a “contingency clause”, it is exactly as it is written. Just like for bonuses.

    No one can say with any quantifiable certainty what a player or a team, for that matter, will do in x number of remaining games.

    Wouldn’t we call this “moving the goal posts”?

  51. Wilde says:

    Wilde,

    Game Score per game, full season, regular forwards / defense; by highest-lowest:

    Yamamoto – 1.08 (lol)
    Cave – 0.71
    Currie – 0.61
    Gambardella – 0.56
    Benson – 0.54
    Marody – 0.50
    Stukel – 0.41
    Granlund – 0.41
    McLeod – 0.40
    Esposito – 0.36
    Maksimov – 0.35
    Peluso – 0.29
    Hebig – 0.25
    Malone – 0.24
    Koules – 0.20

    Jones – 0.68
    Lagesson – 0.64
    Bouchard – 0.54
    Kulevich – 0.40
    Persson – 0.38
    Lowe – 0.32
    Samorukov – 0.31
    Day – 0.19
    Manning – 0.08

  52. N64 says:

    Even if open they’d need to be designated as a labour group exempt from 2 weeks quarantine in every province they play in.Thats on the far side of the wave.

  53. godot10 says:

    2 years.

  54. €√¥£€^$ says:

    Thank you!

    I like the rookie numbers put up by Maksimov.

    Marody still put up good numbers, good to see.

    Currie is a stone cold killer at this level.

    I thought Gambardella and Russell would be the 4th line wingers out of TC. I am happy to see JoeyG still put up some decent numbers this season, but looks like his NHL aspirations will not come to fruition.

  55. Gret99zky says:

    godot10:
    The NHL is not going to resume play in a couple of weeks.

    The world is not going to resume in a couple of weeks.

    The denial is still so strong out there.

    The denial is still dangerously too strong out there.

    Thanks to N64 for the updates.

    Social distancing is crucial right now. Today.

    People need to know how important a single day can be in something that grows exponentially.

    Be safe. Stay away from crowds.

    Be an example for your family and friends.

  56. JimmyV1965 says:

    godot10:
    2 years.

    Wow. This is really out there. Wonder if you will walk it back when you realize this is wildly alarmist.

  57. OriginalPouzar says:

    The Neal/Lucic trade was a win the moment it was made due to contract alone – the more buyout friendly deal and the removal of the NMC and potential expansion draft ramifications if Lucic does not waive (imagine having to protect Lucic…..).

    The ridiculous goal scoring heater than Neal went on early in the year was an absolute cherry on top.

    It didn’t last and Neal has proven to be a bottom 6 winger at 5 on 5 but also a guy that can at least eat some minutes in the top 6 when needed and provide a semblance of skill up there.

    I like him on a “skilled but heavy” 4th line and think that type of line might be quite good in the playoffs – lets not forget, Neal is big and can be kind of filthy out there around the boards – if he’s healthy and energized, he could be a solid playoff guy – when he’s playing on the edge, he adds something out there.

    I hope they don’t buy him out, just because I can’t look at a $2M dead cap hit for 6 years, even knowing it saves $3M plus for a couple – its too much dead cap for me.

    Hey, maybe the NHL and NHLPA negotiate in one amnesty/compliance buyout due to lost revenue in a shortened/cancelled season…….

  58. tileguy says:

    Do you actually believe anybody here could read that without singing it in their head?

  59. OriginalPouzar says:

    I’m not really sold on Nygard – I don’t know what this player is.

    He’s not really good enough to be a top 6 guy but he’s not really a bottom 6 guy either.

    S. Poster told us, before the season, that his goal scoring numbers in Sweden were a function of volume of chances created off his speed but that he wasn’t a great finisher – we’ve seen exactly that, haven’t we? Not a great finished and, with the uptick in league, the chances aren’t as voluminous.

    At the same time, we do see flashes of real skill from him with the puck – they never really work 100% though.

  60. jtblack says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    “I hope they don’t buy him out, just because I can’t look at a $2M dead cap hit for 6 years, even knowing it saves $3M plus for a couple – its too much dead cap for me.”

    Do you know what the buyout would be if they bought him out AFTER next season? I am thinking it would be slightly less $$ but for onlyl 4 years. that might make sense ..

  61. €√¥£€^$ says:

    You come up with the damnedest statements.

    I think 4 to 6 months we should be back to close to normal. I don’t understand why schools are * NOT closing in the bigger urban centers. But there are also variables like child care to factor into it, which makes it even more complex.

    *edited – my apologies

  62. Reja says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    Via @ardonkurt1975 on Twitter:

    Hello out there, we’re off the air, no Hockey Night tonight.
    Gates are closed, tension grows, no pucks go down the ice.
    The players wait, to hear their fate, this Corona is a pain!
    As it stands, “Wash your hands!” to resume the hockey game!


    Oh!………#hockeysong ? #hockey

    Might be some seventies hockey on the Toilet Paper Wars at your local grocery stores this afternoon.

  63. tileguy says:

    Get out of bed you sleepy head
    The virus is about to spread

  64. godot10 says:

    JimmyV1965: Wow. This is really out there. Wonder if you will walk it back when you realize this is wildly alarmist.

    I believe I was the first person on this blog to suggest the playoffs would be played in empty buildings, and I was scoffed at Turns out I was wildly optimistic.

    I have said this before. I always consider worst case scenarios, and their likelihood. Hope is not a strategy, particularly with pandemics.

  65. godot10 says:

    The world has to “shutdown”, pause for awhile, and then restart, all without hiccups. That is not going to happen in a couple of months.

  66. N64 says:

    If not closed in Alberta before spring break suspect they all come home Friday with a note saying spring break is of unknown length

  67. Victoria Oil says:

    I know it’s still early days, but I would not be opposed to moving AA even though we won’t get a first or two seconds back. His value is declining, I’m sorry to say.

  68. Halfwise says:

    We should each assume that we have the virus and are not yet symptomatic.

    We should assume all of the people we see in person have the virus and are not yet symptomatic.

    Those two assumptions will lead to the behaviours that will flatten the curve of this thing.

    While we are at home we are free to subscribe to whatever theories we wish as to the cause of this thing and what should have been done about it but wasn’t done, because of ________ [fill in our pet target here].

    Note that whatever theories and causes we wish to cling to in the preceding paragraph will be hotly contested, because humans, but debate will be frowned upon, also because humans.

  69. godot10 says:

    The world’s Ponzi economy depends on the spice…i.e credit…continuing to flow. Stopping the virus means severely interrupting the flow.

  70. €√¥£€^$ says:

    I would expect this to be the case.

    Thank you for all the info you’ve been sharing, I come here for the hockey, but stay here for the long-distance learnin’.

  71. JimmyV1965 says:

    godot10: I believe I was the first person on this blog to suggest the playoffs would be played in empty buildings, and I was scoffed atTurns out I was wildly optimistic.

    I have said this before.I always consider worst case scenarios, and their likelihood. Hope is not a strategy, particularly with pandemics.

    Coronavirus is a serious threat. Of that there is no question. We have to take it seriously and take precautions. I’ve only started researching it in the last day or so, but I haven’t found one single expert who thinks this thing could rage on for two years. The problem with people like you is you spread fear. The panic caused by doomsayers can be more dangerous than the illness itself. All those people stockpiling toilet paper are the same ones who will choke off the health care system when they get mild flu like systems and rush to the hospital. Thank goodness no one here really takes your comments seriously and thank goodness you don’t have a platform to spread fear.

  72. Dustylegnd says:

    Run government debt vs GDP from 2009 forward……the massive liquidity injection has not helped to grow economies. QE has served to make the wealthy really wealthy and the rich richer.

    The middle class is slowly disappearing, because we have lost the ability to redistribute wealth to the middle class.

    Look at percentage of CEO pay to their workers pay in the last 40 years…the dislocation is shocking

    Now having said that, an elephant ride in Thailand is more important than saving and investing in an equity portfolio….sacrifice is a 4 letter word…..

    but we fail our children, we don’t have financial literacy classes, we don’t stress the power of time in investing, kids don’t understand time value of money and what that trip to Bali really costs them 20 years later

  73. Johnny skid says:

    yep.

  74. Dustylegnd says:

    edit: the economy as a percentage of government debt has contracted

  75. who says:

    Brantford Boy:
    Tracers… question:
    We are to believe Stevie Y asked for a first rounder for Andreas Athanasiou… but Holland got him for 2 second rounders.

    If we could get either of these pieces (1 first, 2 seconds) back in return at the draft, would you move on from this player? Yes or No…

    Bonus:
    What draft picks would a fair return be for Khaira?

    I liked the AA trade at the time and its waaaay to early to write him off. I would keep him.
    I’d also keep Khaira. He makes 1.2 million, kills penalties, and adds size and physicality to the lineup. Why is everyone in a hurry to trade him for a mid round pick? Isn’t he kind of the best case scenario for a mid round pick?

  76. godot10 says:

    I didn’t say the virus would rage on for two years. I said things might be start to get back to (a new) normal in two years.

    The virus causes two things. A health crisis and an economic crisis.

  77. Halfwise says:

    I agree with this take. How good is he at the role he is supposed to fill? Who is better at that role, available, and cheaper?

  78. €√¥£€^$ says:

    +1000

  79. Dustylegnd says:

    Not wildly optimistic, but rather you were wrong…..they were never going to play NHL games in empty stadium, I never believed that scenario for a second because the revenue hit is too large.

  80. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    jtblack: 1 case in China was Dec.31st .. they are still in lockdown .

    So there won’t be a “start it up” in 2 weeks ….Think more like 2 Months, best case

    China is not still in lock down.

    I talk to 3 different mills in 3 different areas weekly or multiple times a week, especially lately.

    All mills (and many businesses) in China shut down for 2 weeks for Chinese New Year (CNY). This year it was the last two weeks in January.

    It usually take the mills a week after to get up to speed after that.

    This year with all the shut down, that didn’t happen as workers couldn’t get back to work as they couldn’t travel.

    Mill 1 – Dalian – close to North Korea
    They have been back at full staff for 2 weeks.

    Mill 2 near Guangzhou (in the South)
    They were at 70% staff after being 30% last week. Expect 100% over the next week or two

    Mill 3 – half way between Wuhan and Shanghai
    At 50% staff, coming up slower than the other mills, but back producing and expecting similar increases as the other mills over the next two weeks

    Also,

    My magic 8 ball has mid-June resumption of NHL hockey.

  81. who says:

    Woodguy v2.0: China is not still in lock down.

    I talk to 3 different mills in 3 different areas weekly or multiple times a week, especially lately.

    All mills (and many businesses) in China shut down for 2 weeks for Chinese New Year (CNY). This year it was the last two weeks in January.

    It usually take the mills a week after to get up to speed after that.

    This year with all the shut down, that didn’t happen as workers couldn’t get back to work as they couldn’t travel.

    Mill 1 – Dalian – close to North Korea
    They have been back at full staff for 2 weeks.

    Mill 2 near Guangzhou (in the South)
    They were at 70% staff after being 30% last week.Expect 100% over the next week or two

    Mill 3 – half way between Wuhan and Shanghai
    At 50% staff, coming up slower than the other mills, but back producing and expecting similar increases as the other mills over the next two weeks

    Also,

    My magic 8 ball has mid-June resumption of NHL hockey.

    What does your magic 8 ball say about a playoff format?
    If your 8 ball is right I assume the regular season is over?

  82. €√¥£€^$ says:

    I wanted AA, was pleased it did not cost a 1st rounder, but was taken aback by 2 x 2nds. The add of Ryan Kufner was a pleasant surprise.

    Certainly everyone should be given an opportunity, but I have been intently watching AA, just like I do every new addition, and other than his shot, he completely underwhelms me. He appears to play on cruise control and on the same line with Arch, the commitment levels are as stark as I’ve ever seen.

    I’d love to give him the benefit of the doubt, but he is a vet who will make more than $3,000,000 next year. Does he, will he, can he bring even a fraction of the value to this team that Archibald brings? That is my concern.

    If we could flip him for Miles Wood plus a NJ’s 2021 2nd, I wouldn’t hesitate.

  83. JimmyV1965 says:

    godot10:
    I didn’t say the virus would rage on for two years.I said things might be start to get back to (a new) normal in two years.

    The virus causes two things.A health crisis and an economic crisis.

    What does this even mean? What’s normal? Will the NHL be operating in October? Give me a prediction that means something? Not just things will not be normal.

  84. Victoria Oil says:

    I think the NHL and NHLPA should allow one buyout per team but put some kind of limit on it. For example, if the maximum relief a team could get from a buyout was $10 million, then the Oilers would still have a $1.5 million cap hit over 6 years from buying out Neal (vs $11.5 million over 6 years as it would be now without an ‘amnesty’ buyout). Putting a limit on the buyout relief would still penalize teams for the stupid contracts that they gave out, but also address the extraordinary circumstances that we are now facing.

  85. N64 says:

    godot10:
    I didn’t say the virus would rage on for two years.I said things might be start to get back to (a new) normal in two years.

    The virus causes two things.A health crisis and an economic crisis.

    Can split that a bunch of ways. Health Crisis, Production/Logistics Crisis, Portfolio/Consumer Crisis.

    Last one first: Bear Marker take what about 2 years on average. Zero interest in that (pun intended)

    Woodguy is referring to production. % of workforce back in gear is key thing to learn from places coming out the far side. They’ll find out how much social interaction can return safely pre-vaccines.

    New normal in terms of daily life? Depends on the definition and a lot of the luck,

    Insert beginning of the end or end of the beginning jokes.

  86. jtblack says:

    Thanks for the correction .. 

    My point was that anyone who thinks the NHL will be back playing in 2 weeks, is not aware of the impact of COVID-19 and the timelines to “recovery”.

    Italy’s first case was FEb.20th and look where they are now … I am not sure how long it will take until society is operating at 100% capacity, or normal conditions, but it clearly won’t be 2 weeks.

    I am hopeful like you and your crystal 8 ball, that the NHL could be playing again by Mid May to MId June … 

    Cases are ramping up fast in Italy, Spain, Germany and France ….I think how the next week or 2 plays out for them, will give us some indication who how it *might* play out in North America.

  87. BONE207 says:

    All these superpowers & their weapons as well as star wars aspirations were brought down with a microscopic bug that is from earth. How would we fare if something big or small came from outerspace? I went to a bar yesterday. The thirst is still alive.

    As for hockey…most of us here were hoping that this year would be a building year. Playoffs an outside chance & 20/21 was where we would really see the Oilers blossom. If this season gets written off, we’ve gained that extra seasoning with a decent roster to start next year. If this season continues, it’s an open competition. Everyone healthy & rested. Oilers started 7-2-1 with many question marks. That would work well in the playoffs too. Only now the team knows what it has & can improve on that. Either way, we can now expect playoffs & the question is…how far can they go & what have they learned.

  88. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Thank you.

    Agreed.

  89. N64 says:

    Ah but the TV revenue was too big for the league to ignore. But then again this disease hitting their homes and communities was always going too big for the players to ignore even if the logistics were possible in some remote location with all 16 teams locked down.

  90. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    *shakes main 8 ball*

    Regular season income is paramount to the teams so the league will go to great lengths, including shortening the first 2-3 rounds of the playoffs to 5 games, to finish the regular season.

  91. €√¥£€^$ says:

    There have been quite a few smaller communities that have put up blockades so no outsiders can enter. It has caused some problems and the Gov’t is starting to crack down on these illegal barricades. So it depends on the region, but it is not uncommon.

    FWIW I visited Wuhan 2 years ago and was at that market, but I didn’t walk thru the wet market area. I didn’t know about it, but had I known I would not have gone near it; I hate seeing animals in small cages.

    My wife’s neice and her husband live in Wuhan, but they were back in Putian the last week of December and started to self-quarantine on the 10th of Jan. As of 2 weeks ago Putian was out of quarantine, but they have not received word when they can return to Wuhan, as it is still on lock down They’ve heard anywhere from end of April to sometime in June.

    Unfortunately there are a lot of conspiracy theories being passed around in China, mainly that the US planted the virus. Luckily the government is finally starting to crack down on the wild animal market.

  92. N64 says:

    BONE207: All these superpowers & their weapons as well as star wars aspirations were brought down with a microscopic bug that is from earth. How would we fare if something big or small came from outerspace?

    It didn’t? I hear there’s an interstellar expressway due to be installed after a little sanitation exercise. Don’t forget your towel.

    Oh. And do that first bit with your Rod Sterling voice next time.

  93. OriginalPouzar says:

    Oilers Investors Group should be switched to the nice list:

    All part-time staff affected by a temporary halt in our operations will receive financial payment to bridge them between their maximum EI benefits and their regular average earnings for remaining regular season games.”

    https://www.nhl.com/oilers/news/release … -316167786

  94. €√¥£€^$ says:

    My French co-worker received a frantic call call from his sister yesterday, apparently the French just started to take measures yesterday(?). It will take a few months probably to get things under control and back to normal in Europe, I would think.

  95. €√¥£€^$ says:

    Awesome!

  96. OriginalPouzar says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    I wonder if we should adopt a standard practice in here of specifying top 10 Middle 10 and Bottom 10 of each round when we are trying peg value or propose a trade.

    Becasue the value of the first 10 picks in the 2nd round is much higher than a pick in the last 10 of the 2nd round.

    Lets ady for example JJ is worth a 2nd rounder…. is that an early 2nd a middle 2nd or a late 2nd???

    The other obvious variable is, how deep is the draft in any given year.

    TO my eye, JJ is a replacemnt level player on a not great contract. If I were another team, I would not give up a top ten 2nd rounder for him.

    A middle of late 2nd rounder perhaps.

    JJ’s cap hit is $1.2M – its almost entirely buryable in the minor leagues.

    Yup, he’s a 4th line player but he’s also a high end PK guy and, yes, that has value.

    I’m not saying its a great contract or he’s outperforming it but its hardly an issue – in my opinion.

  97. N64 says:

    godot10: I believe I was the first person on this blog to suggest the playoffs would be played in empty buildings, and I was scoffed at Turns out I was wildly optimistic.

    Very. Clearly you’re one of those super optimists never scarred by the 1994 Expos.

    February 25, 2020 at 1:49 pm
    Andy Dufresne:
    Dow Jones lost 1000 pts yesterday. so far 800 pts today.
    On the bright side, Tims is giving away a free Asian Cruise with every breakfast combo purchased.

    N64says:

    On the 94 Expos side:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/25/sports/soccer/coronavirus-inter-milan-ludogorets-italy.html

    “Inter Milan will play its Europa League home game on Thursday without spectators. In China, South Korea and Japan, domestic leagues are not playing games at all”.

  98. OriginalPouzar says:

    €√¥£€^$: This trade does not include a “contingency clause”, it is exactly as it is written. Just like for bonuses.

    No one can say with any quantifiable certainty what a player or a team, for that matter, will do in x number of remaining games.

    Wouldn’t we call this “moving the goal posts”?

    https://theathletic.com/1673452/2020/03/12/key-questions-surround-oilers-in-wake-of-nhls-coronavirus-suspension/

    Based on how they handled bonuses in the 48-game 2013 season, it’s more likely that the NHL would prorate the players’ totals. Neal’s 19 goals through 71 Edmonton games would project to 22 over a full season, while Lucic’s eight over 70 Calgary games would project to nine over an 82-game slate. Both totals would satisfy the conditions involved in the trade.

    A coda to that: When the NHL prorated bonuses in 2013, it prorated both the conditions required (e.g. a bonus based on 20 games played was triggered at 12) and also the amount of the bonus (e.g. a $20,000 bonus instead became $11,700). It’s much more difficult to prorate a draft pick, and the rationale about revenue (i.e. bonuses are lower in part because the NHL is making less money) don’t apply, but does that perhaps open the door to the argument by the Oilers that instead of transferring a third-rounder it should be a later selection?

  99. N64 says:

    No objection to putting them there, but not a chance they would have done less than that.

  100. N64 says:

    Dig a bit deeper. What happened to conditional trade picks in prior shortened seasons. The bonus adjustments were part of nhl player negotiations.

    Bettman is notorious for not wanting to make retroactive adjustments unless its out of his hands. when the owners got rid of the 2nd rounders for gms and coaches he instantly shot down talk of retroactivity.

  101. €√¥£€^$ says:

    Two weeks ago go I was promoted, 2 days later my wife who is a Contracts specialist (23+ yrs experience) working as an independent contractor for a large Engineering firm was feeling ill (severe cold) went to inform her Manager that she was ill and was going home, 2 hours before the end of her work day.

    Her Manager asked her to close the door and then informed her that she was being let go, because her “low quality of performance did not justify her salary”… She was told she would be paid just her remaining salary owed.

    I am outraged about her treatment, there was no performance evaluation done and coming into the new year the Manager, who did not hire her, gave my wife a hard time over 2 specific contracts. Ultimately the direction, contrary to my wife’s recommendations resulted in delays that affected the entire multi-billion dollar project. My wife had mentioned there were sketchy emails that seemed to have been redacted that made her uneasy for her last few weeks there. I really want to take legal action, but my wife is 100% opposed, so she is trying to find a job in a dried up market.

    Ultimately she will probably not find anything in province and it is possible that she may have return to China for work after more than 13 years working in Canada.

    My reasons for sharing:

    1. The timing is pretty good in many ways
    2. China is likely the safest place to be in the world when it comes to Covid-19
    3. Are there any Employment Lawyers in the house?

  102. godot10 says:

    Prediction. No MLB or NFL this year. No NBA or NHL next year. I consider this a better case scenario.

    What is normal? I think the world will be significantly different after the health and economic crises have run their course.

  103. JimmyV1965 says:

    godot10:
    Prediction.No MLB or NFL this year.No NBA or NHL next year. I consider this a better case scenario.

    What is normal? I think the world will be significantly different after the health and economic crises have run their course.

    Thank you. You’re on the record saying no NHL next year.

  104. €√¥£€^$ says:

    I understand the logic for a shortened season that applies to everyone. But in this instance, if we are talking about bonuses, the revenues by teams are reduced, so how can paying more with less be justified. From a business perspective this make no sense.

    As far as the trade goes, this pro-rating goals argument is simply silly. If scoring totals are not pro-rated for injury, why would missing games for any reason factor into this? Again, I think it fallls to there is no guarantee what a player would score in x number of games.

    In November it looked like a certainty that Neal would have a 30 goal season, but you couldn’t make that statement in mid-January. Doing this sort of thing comes with too much risk and would simply be a very poor business decision.

    I will state with 100% certainty that if the season were to be officially cancelled, the Oilers will keep the 2020 3rd round pick. I don’t bet, but I am so certain that I’d be willing to bet you a Woodguy on this OP.

  105. Material Elvis says:

    godot10:
    I hope it is paper currency that falls.We will need it to use as toilet paper.

    Strange world we will be living in.When toilet paper is money, and paper currency is toilet paper.

    I don’t think the new polymer bills are very absorbant…..

  106. Material Elvis says:

    There will be sports next year; a vaccine should be ready by then.

  107. €√¥£€^$ says:

    I live in Calgary, the Flames announced they would not be providing financial assistance to their employees.

    https://calgaryherald.com/sports/hockey/nhl/calgary-flames/flames-employees-wont-be-paid-beyond-march-12-for-cancelled-shifts/

  108. Melvis says:

    Material Elvis: I don’t think the new polymer bills are very absorbant…..

    Neither was the Eatons catalogue. But then Red Foxx could do a 45 minute set on little more than “Wash Your Ass”.

  109. NicaOil says:

    I must be one of the fortunate ones in the game of life, 64 years old and retired without pension since 2011. Sitting with my wife on the beach in Bucerias, Mexico under the shade umbrella, windy watching the ocean and sucking back a cold can of Modello. Not a worry in the world, trying to decide what to have for dinner tonite. Watching the world turn without TV News or MSM newspapers now for nine awesome years. It sucks that there is no Oiler hockey to watch but I love reading my “lowetide”. You guys and gals are so very entertaining and informative, I love you all. Thanks Allan for the greatest blog ever!

  110. N64 says:

    Obscene and I suspect they’ll reverse.

    But again Kudos to Oilers.

  111. N64 says:

    Modello? So you’re not the guy that started the Novel Coronavirus:

    https://loseringbook.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/loseringbeach.jpg

  112. N64 says:

    Down South CBS is keeping a list and checking it twice.

    https://www.cbssports.com/nhl/news/coronavirus-nhl-players-and-teams-pledge-to-pay-arena-workers-impacted-by-leagues-hiatus-due-to-covid-19/

    In Florida it started with with the Goaler, then the Skaters chipped in and the owner picks up the balance.

  113. Scungilli Slushy says:

    godot10:
    Prediction.No MLB or NFL this year.No NBA or NHL next year. I consider this a better case scenario.

    What is normal? I think the world will be significantly different after the health and economic crises have run their course.

    Nobody really knows what will happen, I get what you are saying about length of return to non Covid.

    However I do not agree things will change. There is a reason politicians like Obama can’t meet there promises and visions.

    Those that run things do not let go of advantage easily. Shocks like this are used to entrench themselves even more, and own more.

    If we are saying the change will be that the rich and powerful become even moreso, sure. Other than that back to running countries based on day to day stock market prices, which isn’t in the interest of most of us.

  114. NicaOil says:

    Not me although I think I met him.

  115. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Woodguy v2.0: China is not still in lock down.

    I talk to 3 different mills in 3 different areas weekly or multiple times a week, especially lately.

    All mills (and many businesses) in China shut down for 2 weeks for Chinese New Year (CNY). This year it was the last two weeks in January.

    It usually take the mills a week after to get up to speed after that.

    This year with all the shut down, that didn’t happen as workers couldn’t get back to work as they couldn’t travel.

    Mill 1 – Dalian – close to North Korea
    They have been back at full staff for 2 weeks.

    Mill 2 near Guangzhou (in the South)
    They were at 70% staff after being 30% last week.Expect 100% over the next week or two

    Mill 3 – half way between Wuhan and Shanghai
    At 50% staff, coming up slower than the other mills, but back producing and expecting similar increases as the other mills over the next two weeks

    Also,

    My magic 8 ball has mid-June resumption of NHL hockey.

    I wonder how a shortened off season affects next season? The players I mean. I’d imagine the league may delay start a bit, but probably don’t want less games- less revenue.

  116. OilFire says:

    I’d bet he will wait until she’s gone and then publicly blame her for the whole issue. Best scapegoat is the one that’s left the barn and can’t contradict. Hope you get some justice.

  117. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Thanks for that.

  118. Side says:

    godot10: I believe I was the first person on this blog to suggest the playoffs would be played in empty buildings, and I was scoffed atTurns out I was wildly optimistic.

    I have said this before.I always consider worst case scenarios, and their likelihood. Hope is not a strategy, particularly with pandemics.

    You also said that 100 million people would die from COVID.

    You are an alarmist. You are not a prophet.

  119. Pescador says:

    who: What does your magic 8 ball say about a playoff format?
    If your 8 ball is right I assume the regular season is over?

    Last time I picked up a magic 8 ball,
    I had to self isolate for 2 weeks

  120. N64 says:

    Side: You also said that 100 million people would die from COVID.

    If no one anywhere changed their routine that’s about 1.5% of world pop.

    But he was arguing for changes to avoid, no?

  121. Thorin says:

    I think you’re looking for a lawyer that specializes in contract law, not employment law. I’m neither, but did go through the wringer last summer.

    If she’s an independent contractor then she has a contract that specifies how much notice either side has to give and how much will be paid out if the contract is terminated early. None of the typical employment protections would apply, including the concept that an employee should face increasing corrections before being let go. However if she was being treated as an employee (such as telling her when she has to start and finish her workday se more ,a href=”https://www.canada.ca/en/revenue-agency/services/forms-publications/publications/rc4110/employee-self-employed.html#qc_factors”>here) then there is a decent possibility that she could be ruled an employee and thus be due the protections an employee receives.

    If she’s considered an employee that was terminated without cause (“low quality of performance” with no performance evaluation before dismissal is pretty easy to argue as without cause), one of the protections would be receiving “reasonable notice” or payment in lieu, There is no distinctive rule here, but it is quite common to get anywhere from two weeks to a month’s notice per year of service, so if she’d been there five years that could be 2.5 to 5 months of salary and benefits they owe her.

    Based on my experience, I suggest you go talk to an employment lawyer to see if 1. they think this can be successfully argued into a contract of service (employer-employee) and 2. they think there is a reasonable chance for a large enough settlement.

    When I went, I had a one-hour meeting and then some follow-up and I paid $250 + gst for the lawyer. I did not move forward to sue for reasonable notice because my (ex-)employer had smartly hired a competent lawyer about nine months before the layoffs who put in all the exact right words. $250 was a bunch of money, especially while unemployed, but ultimately absolutely worth it because I no longer had that nagging question of what if.

  122. OriginalPouzar says:

    Assuming that Athanasiou will sign for something around his QO (or even his one year QO), I can’t imagine any scenario where the general manager trades the player for a lesser return than he paid in February.

    My goodness talk about small sample sizes – 9 games. Its not like the GM didn’t/doesn’t know the type of player AA is, the style of play he plays, his weaknesses, etc. Holland knows this player very well and acquired him for the next few years.

    The player having some issues performing and “fitting in” in 9 games, some of it injured, with a lowered confidence coming from a poor start to the year on one of the worst teams in decades – I don’t think those 9 games are going to change Holland’s path to move on from the player at a loss.

    Do we not think that AA might be a bit better after a summer away from his old organization and getting ready to be an Oiler, then a full training camp with his teammates and under the guidance of Dave Tippett, etc.?

    I was disappointed in his effectiveness as well – at the same time, the player was involved in multiple scoring chances in each of the last couple of games and showed signs of improvement – within the 9 game sample size.

  123. OriginalPouzar says:

    jtblack:
    OriginalPouzar,

    “I hope they don’t buy him out, just because I can’t look at a $2M dead cap hit for 6 years, even knowing it saves $3M plus for a couple – its too much dead cap for me.”

    Do you know what the buyout would be if they bought him out AFTER next season?I am thinking it would be slightly less $$ but for onlyl 4 years.that might make sense ..

    Same dead cap hit ($1.9M) for 4 years.

  124. Fuge Udvar says:

    Sounds awful but isn’t that the reason companies pay the premium for hiring contractors? Is that they aren’t technically their employers? I used to work under one of those temp agencies that companies then contract for workers. My understanding of why they did it was because they could get rid of us for any reason at any time. And then it was on the temp company to lay us off who then carried all the legal liability that has.

    But that’s my experience as a lowly grunt. If you can rake these guys over the coals. Its gross how often employers get away with screwing their employees.

  125. Side says:

    I believe he said the flu kills 100 million people and covid will claim a bit less than 100 million casualties.

    Considering the flu only kills about 200 – 600something thousand people a year, globally, I have no clue how covid could possibly kill 100 million people… ever?

    Maybe if covid was x10 more deadly and no vaccine is found, maybe after 15 years it will?

    EDIT: found his quote

    “The first run through the global population will likely be pretty bad…up to 100 million dead, but then it should become part of the yearly influenza background.”

  126. OriginalPouzar says:

    Dustylegnd:
    Not wildly optimistic, but rather you were wrong…..they were never going to play NHL games in empty stadium, I never believed that scenario for a secondbecause the revenue hit is too large.

    The NHL, much more than the other 3 major North American pro sports, is dependant on gate revenue.

    Playing in empty arenas is much more probably for the NBA than the NHL.

    As per my understanding.

  127. meanashell11 says:

    This is BS. There will be NHL next year. There are two types of financial crises, banking and non-banking. 2008 was a banking crisis and those take a long time to work themselves out. This will be a typical recession. I certainly do not believe the NHL will only be shut down for two weeks but can easily see two months. It’s March, life is returning to normal in China. The peak in the US will probably be in 6 weeks. The economy will take the a year to recover. This is my view. Your mileage may vary. @Rnaughtisathing

  128. meanashell11 says:

    This.

    Also, WG do you know a company that is building a plant in China called Cleantech Building Materials?

  129. N64 says:

    €√¥£€^$:
    I live in Calgary, the Flames announced they would not be providing financial assistance to their employees.

    https://calgaryherald.com/sports/hockey/nhl/calgary-flames/flames-employees-wont-be-paid-beyond-march-12-for-cancelled-shifts/

    Maybe Oil fans can start a GoFundMe with proceeds to Edmonton homeless orgs if the Flames reverse

  130. Harpers Hair says:

    €√¥£€^$,

    Not sure this will help since it is based on BC employment standards.

    I recently helped a couple of friends who were unceremoniously dumped by their employer (an Alberta company) who paid no severance or holiday pay claiming the individuals were contractors not employees.

    BC Labour Standards spells out who is or is not an employee based on a number of criteria including the length of the work relationship, material’s provided for work, the amount of direction on performing the work etc.

    It quickly became obvious to me they were both actually employees so I helped them through the process which was done largely on line. It took about a year and a couple of appeals from the scofflaw employer but both received compensation for lack of severance and were also awarded vacation pay that the company had not been providing. Their settlements were both well over $10K.

    I also discovered that, if they chose to, they could have also sued for additional severance and CPP and EI contributions going back further but the BC legislation limits the recovery to the past two years.

    Here’s a link to the BC guidelines.

    https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/employment-business/employment-standards-advice/employment-standards/forms-resources/employee-or-independent-contractor

  131. €√¥£€^$ says:

    You can bet I was all over this, studying whatever I could get my hands on . Her perception is that she is an independent contractor, but in terms of employment law she is considered an employee. Her contract states that she could be let go at any time without notice and only 1 week’s salary would be paid. She worked there 13 months, so this contradicts employment law in Alberta. So how can this possibly be legal?

    When I read the company’s value statement, this type of situation is quite a contradiction and in my mind any competent lawyer would have a field day with this.

    One reason my wife doesn’t want to move ahead with any kind of legal action (aside from cost) is that the Manager has a lot of contacts and influence in the industry and she fears retaliation. This woman has a reputation of holding grudges and my wife believe she saw clear evidence of this grudge by the Manager against an employee of the company in another Department. This was related to the 2nd contract she was managing.

    As well, a couple of co-workers reached out to her expressing their disbelief of what happened to her the following week (she was fired on a Thursday) and also mentioned the Manager announced the dismissal of 4 employees “mostly for performance reasons”. The other 3 I do know about (2 worked at the site) and were quite likely truly low performers, but of course I am pretty confident they were not given performance evaluations or written warnings about poor performance either (they were also “independent contractors”). So if the perception of those who didn’t know my wife, but knew the others, IMO getting lumped in with these known poor performers is slanderous, or liablous. In my mind anyway.

    I know she would have a very strong case given her work/performance history and her professional designation, etc. As well, this firing Manager has taken over from the hiring Manager in June or July and every week she said “This Manager hates me”.

    Basically this Manager normally didn’t give her the time of day often putting her off until the next day, yet clearly favoured others, who would get an audience immediately and spend 20-30 minutes in her office. Whereas my wife would need only 5 minutes.

    The other part of this is, she found out in January that a co-worker from the previous company my wife had worked at was coming to this Department. The incoming worker was in a higher position than my wife and my had corrected this woman about certain things about certain contracts in the old job. My wife had twice the experience in this work than this woman and that company was the least professional place she had ever worked at. She learned that this woman was also a friend of the Manager and she started work the week after my wife left. Hmmmm, I can’t possibly connect any dots here…..

    To be clear, my wife is Chinese and she tells me everything. Well before this happened I had a good trip on the office dynamics and all the people she dealt with in the office. She doesn’t normally base her perception emotion, certainly nowhere like the ladies I’ve had in my life previously. Her world view is consistently black and white and if she has done something wrong or poorly, she readily admits it. She doesn’t do the things I have been used to seeing, so I think her perception is relatively objective and I take a large portion of what she says at face value. However when she starts playing detective, I do take her badge away.

  132. pts2pndr says:

    You are very young. Old outhouses you used old sears catalogue pages. Thought you had it made around Christmas when you got the mandarin orange wrappers. For many years societies used washable rags. If people can’t cope without toilet paper God help them if they ever have to kill and preserve their own food. There is soft and their is very soft. I am not talking about toilet paper.

  133. N64 says:

    €√¥£€^$:
    I live in Calgary, the Flames announced they would not be providing financial assistance to their employees.

    https://calgaryherald.com/sports/hockey/nhl/calgary-flames/flames-employees-wont-be-paid-beyond-march-12-for-cancelled-shifts/

    From Calgary Puck

    Hello XXXX,

    Totally not your fault personally, and we are all dealing with a lot, but please let the organization know that I’m out for playoff tickets (if it ever happens) and any future game pack or single ticket expenditures IF they don’t change their stance on this. And even if they do, I have a bad taste.

    It is extremely tone deaf and ignorant during such a crisis to treat hourly workers like this. It is also extremely poor PR after receiving a substantial contribution from taxpayers and talking about “community” and all of that nonsense.

    They’ll no doubt backtrack but this has caused considerable damage to my relationship with the organization. I might reconsider if they somehow find a way to realize how bad this looks and change – quickly.

    Again – not your fault personally, and I appreciate that you’ve had a difficult job lately as well. Please take care of yourself and your family as this world gets a bit weird – just tell your bosses to smarten up a bit, please. It is a bad look and has real world implications for a lot of people.

    James

  134. OriginalPouzar says:

    With Skelfeeta delayed and its next game scheduled for the 31st and Ligga now shut down, I have prospect Oiler to focus on, Anton Slepyshev who is trucking along in the KHL playoffs playing in empty arenas for CSKA Moscow.

    Solid chance he’s under contract in with the Oilers for next season.

    Slepy with one assist in a 3-2 win over Torpedo as they move to the semi-finals.

    Go Slepy!

  135. Munny says:

    I feel like the AB Gov’t erred on the side of the economy and not public health yesterday. Trying to do the minimum possible to contain the spread.

    We’re cheating for offense when we need to be standing Team Virus up at the blue line.

  136. SkatinginSand says:

    Toronto could show 1967.

  137. OriginalPouzar says:

    €√¥£€^$:
    I understand the logic for a shortened season that applies to everyone.But in this instance, if we are talking about bonuses, the revenues by teams are reduced, so how can paying more with less be justified.From a business perspective this make no sense.

    As far as the trade goes, this pro-rating goals argument is simply silly.If scoring totals are not pro-rated for injury, why would missing games for any reason factor into this?Again, I think it fallls to there is no guarantee what a player would score in x number of games.

    In November it looked like a certainty that Neal would have a 30 goal season, but you couldn’t make that statement in mid-January.Doing this sort of thing comes with too much risk and would simply be a very poor business decision.

    I will state with 100% certainty that if the season were to be officially cancelled, the Oilers will keep the 2020 3rd round pick.I don’t bet, but I am so certain that I’d be willing to bet you a Woodguy on this OP.

    I’m not saying that the will pro-rate only that it is’t certain that they won’t or that another mechanism isn’t “negotiated”.

    This isn’t a labor dispute that has forced the league to “push pause” on the season – this is a global crisis, on many levels, a force majeure essentially.

    We don’t know what will happen. We can take guidance from the labor dispute shortened year but nothing is “known”.

    In that regard, the lawyer in me will come out and provide that, no, it is not 100% certain that the pick says – you may have certainty in your belief that it will be the case but we don’t have 100% certainty on this (even if there are no more regular season games).

  138. Reja says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Assuming that Athanasiou will sign for something around his QO (or even his one year QO), I can’t imagine any scenario where the general manager trades the player for a lesser return than he paid in February.

    My goodness talk about small sample sizes – 9 games. Its not like the GM didn’t/doesn’t know the type of player AA is, the style of play he plays, his weaknesses, etc.Holland knows this player very well and acquired him for the next few years.

    The player having some issues performing and “fitting in” in 9 games, some of it injured, with a lowered confidence coming from a poor start to the year on one of the worst teams in decades – I don’t think those 9 games are going to change Holland’s path to move on from the player at a loss.

    Do we not think that AA might be a bit better after a summer away from his old organization and getting ready to be an Oiler, then a full training camp with his teammates and under the guidance of Dave Tippett, etc.?

    I was disappointed in his effectiveness as well – at the same time, the player was involved in multiple scoring chances in each of the last couple of games and showed signs of improvement – within the 9 game sample size.

    AA looks like he’s lost his confidence it’ll come back and I can see him being a 20 goal scorer with his speed and hard shot. I sign him at at 3.33 mil per year for 3 years.

  139. SkatinginSand says:

    I don’t think that mylar stuff will work very well. I hope everyone has some greenbacks.

  140. SkatinginSand says:

    Thinking of moving on from him now reminds me of the Ryan Strome situation here.

  141. Harpers Hair says:

    No problem. Please let me know if I can lend any other assistance since I’ve been through the process. Please encourage her to stand up for her rights.

    I should add, there were no costs involved in winning against the employer.

  142. Bad Seed says:

    N64,

    They really are the godless flames

  143. Munny says:

    Was she paying into EI?

  144. €√¥£€^$ says:

    She started in Jan 2019 as a “sole proprietorship” and paid EI and then switch in June to an i”ndependent contractor” at which time she got paid a lump sum, where I believe she had to pay for taxes, CPP on her own, but stopped paying into EI.

  145. godot10 says:

    Spanish Flu, with about a 2% mortality rate kiled about 50 million people out of a world populaton of 1.8 billion over 2 years.

  146. New Improved Darkness says:

    It’s only alarmist if telling the truth too soon is alarmist.

    Two years is a huge rush for a vaccine, given where they started. One year would be a blistering pace, and not tested to previous safety standards. They may not choose to roll version 1.0 out immediately to anyone of normal health under the age of 50 per a risk/reward calculation.

    With the introduction of a working vaccine, then we’ll finally be on the down slope, but if you have ever met an antivaxer, you’ll know how hard it is to role a vaccine out in just a few months beyond 80% of the population, so this thing will cough along with strained medical services for most of another year.

    The first unvarnished estimate I saw from a public health expert (less than a week ago) was three years (with huge error bars).

    If the Canadian public health system has indeed succeeded in getting testing out in front of the plump Italian pig, then we’ll be swallowing a long, thin dachshund for a month of Sundays, leaving fewer stretch-marks on the python, who will be sleeping off his slow meal in the hot, pestilent sun until long after the fate of next year’s hockey season is the current news of the day.

    Then I estimate another full year for the systemic recovery to any semblance of prior normalcy.

    ———

    Atlantic hurricane season

    On a worldwide scale, May is the least active month, while September is the most active.

    In the Northern Atlantic Ocean, a distinct hurricane season occurs from June 1 to November 30, sharply peaking from late August through September; the season’s climatological peak of activity occurs around September 10 each season.

    This is a stackable disaster, guaranteed to persist beyond the first obvious stacking point.

    How did that work out the last time?

    * Trump tried to illegally withhold disaster relief money from Puerto Rico — 17 January 2019
    * Top Florida Republicans distance themselves from Trump’s false claims on Puerto Rican death toll — 13 September 2018
    * Hurricane Maria Death Toll Estimate Climbs To Nearly 3,000: Study — 28 August 2018
    * Trump attacks Puerto Rico mayor: ‘They want everything done for them’ — 30 September 2017

    Next time up to the battered box, lather, rinse and repeat with Covid-19.

  147. Munny says:

    She may have great difficulty claiming EI then, sadly. But that doesn’t mean it isn’t worth a try.

    I feel for you and yours Evilas. Hope it all works out.

  148. Munny says:

    With some Vogon poetry, of course.

  149. Halfwise says:

    Having lived in both cities I believe there is a cultural difference between Calgary and Edmonton.

    We see it most with the inferiority complex that Edmontonians tend to exhibit and that Calgarians like to prey on.

    I see it in workplace behaviours especially relationships between suppliers and customers. Calgary is more transactional in my experience.

    We’re all human but there are differences. Or maybe just confirmation bias in my observations.

  150. Reja says:

    Bad Seed:
    N64,

    They really are the godless flames

    They stole the team from Atlanta and kept the same name just to rub it in.

  151. Munny says:

    10 more cases in Alberta today thus far bringing the total to 39.

  152. hunter1909 says:

    Munny: We’re cheating for offense when we need to be standing Team Virus up at the blue line.

    On a micro level its more like WW1 in the trenches with artillery incoming.

    Nowhere to hide, but you can always try to keep your head down and hope it passes by.

  153. N64 says:

    godot10: I believe he said the flu kills 100 million people and covid will claim a bit less than 100 million casualties.

    Too many numbers being thrown around without definition.

    The 10X the seasonal flu thing (as per Dr. Fauci) is a good way to eyeball the differences, but seasonal flu varies from year to year and estimates of unreported cases vary. So it’s not useful to multiply that 10X by what number exactly?

    Next is pandemic flu. Not all the same as each other, but those are the ones that first year they arrive their is a huge problem with lack of immunity especially UNDER 65.

    The immunity issue is common to the pandemic flus but they are very different impact. 1968 and 2009 overall rates not high like the others, but of course stood out for hitting younger. 1957 hit hard. WHO will quote possibly 0.5% Infected Mortality. Now your’e getting in the ballpark. Then we come to the 1918 pandemic beyond anything we ever hope to see.

    godot10: Spanish Flu, with about a 2% mortality rate killed about 50 million people out of a world populaton of 1.8 billion over 2 years.

    The 2% is for the developed world. Many times that elsewhere. Infected 1/3 of those 1.8 billion and 50 million deaths is a good estimate.

    The chilling thing about Spanish Flu is those overall death rates were DRAGGED DOWN by the resistance of the seniors with their exposure lifetimes.

    Unchecked would this thing stop at 1/3 of populations like pandemic flu or depending on it raw transmission rate perhaps 2/3?

    Not hard to get to 100M deaths with this thing IF no one in the world changes their daily routine. Imagine trying to avoid impact if you could only see the oncoming traffic from 2 weeks ago. Built in delays and complacency can crush hospitals and multiply Infected Fatality from say 1.0% to 4.0%. But the chilling consequences force a reaction such that we hope never to see 1/3 or 2/3 of a population being infected or anything close.

    Nothing new in any of this but I think the gap is just what all of these numbers are referring to.

  154. hunter1909 says:

    Halfwise:
    Having lived in both cities I believe there is a cultural difference between Calgary and Edmonton.

    We see it most with the inferiority complex that Edmontonians tend to exhibit and that Calgarians like to prey on.

    I see it in workplace behaviours especially relationships between suppliers and customers. Calgary is more transactional in my experience.

    We’re all human but there are differences. Or maybe just confirmation bias in my observations.

    Having lived in both cities, your take is bordering on ridiculous.

    The main difference I noted was Calgary is full of cowboys and oil and Americans and Edmonton is northern more toward the arctic based with pipeline talk in the coffee shops lol

    Calgary is drier and a lot less swampy. Instead it gets hail the size of golfballs.

    Maybe they split the province in two one day.

  155. N64 says:

    Big concern beyond the raw 34% jump is the 2 cases not YET traced to travel out of country. An early case was connected to US travel one day after the public announcement thus being reclasses as travel related. So this may or may not represent unknown community transmission. Assume it is circulating everyone. Stay safe out there.

  156. Munny says:

    N64,

    Any must-read articles today on Covid, N19?

    (hey, it adds to ten)

  157. N64 says:

    Concur. It looks more like a cleanup on aisle three. Perhaps the Flames org is distracted with the passing of Ken King but this really looks like a mid level screw up that stereotypically you’d expect from all of those Edmonton civil service types.

  158. Munny says:

    Which I always thought was a bizarre choice even on the part of Atlanta.

    Big part of their history, sure… but still.

  159. godot10 says:

    meanashell11:
    This is BS. There will be NHL next year. There are two types of financial crises, banking and non-banking. 2008 was a banking crisis and those take a long time to work themselves out. This will be a typical recession. I certainly do not believe the NHL will only be shut down for two weeksbut can easily see two months. It’s March, life is returning to normal in China. The peak in the US will probably be in 6 weeks. The economy will take the a year to recover. This is my view. Your mileage may vary. @Rnaughtisathing

    The Fed has taken over the repo market. Banks won’t repo with each other. They have expanded their balance sheet with “non-QE” QE by $500 billion dollars since last September, and they had to do this two months before the virus outbreak in China. They announced another trillion of repo QE this week along with the emergency rate cut.

    The Bank of Canada on Friday, I believe, launched a repo facility.

    The FRA-OIS is blowing out (the cost of funding for banks).

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-09/why-it-matters-that-the-fra-ois-spread-is-widening-quicktake

    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/13/reuters-america-us-fra-ois-spread-a-measure-of-future-bank-borrowing-costs-widens-to-73-bps-from-64-bps-thursday-usdf-o0x1r.html?&qsearchterm=fra-ois

  160. Munny says:

    godot10,

    The off-the-run Treasury market has collapsed. Market-makers aren’t making markets. Relative-value hedge funds can’t get any activity, banks & funds aren’t able to buy cash Treasuries and sell the futures contract and pocket the difference… which has essentially been a guaranteed money-maker for them for years.

    Treasuries were already starting to be dumped on the market and we will likely see prices plummet even from here.

    #nosafehaven

  161. Lowetide says:

    Halfwise:
    Having lived in both cities I believe there is a cultural difference between Calgary and Edmonton.

    We see it most with the inferiority complex that Edmontonians tend to exhibit and that Calgarians like to prey on.

    I see it in workplace behaviours especially relationships between suppliers and customers. Calgary is more transactional in my experience.

    We’re all human but there are differences. Or maybe just confirmation bias in my observations.

    Must be a generational thing. Calgary is gorgeous and the people are mostly the same, although prices are higher and income too. That would create some minor differences but mostly work to Edmonton’s advantage. Example: When I sold radio, made good dollars dealing with Calgary head offices. They had budget to spend, so I would grab that before revealing rates were lower. Increased coverage (more commercials, more impact) worked often. I never say that I made some smooth move, because buyers see sellers coming. I was a nice person and was very open about my intentions.

    My experiences with Calgary have been exceptional over many decades.

  162. Munny says:

    Trump tests negative for Coronavirus.

    Oh well…

  163. hunter1909 says:

    Lowetide: Must be a generational thing. Calgary is gorgeous and the people are mostly the same, although prices are higher and income too. That would create some minor differences but mostly work to Edmonton’s advantage. Example: When I sold radio, made good dollars dealing with Calgary head offices. They had budget to spend, so I would grab that before revealing rates were lower. Increased coverage (more commercials, more impact) worked often. I never say that I made some smooth move, because buyers see sellers coming. I was a nice person and was very open about my intentions.

    My experiences with Calgary have been exceptional over many decades.

    Overall I liked working in Calgary. Less rain, less mud, less mosquitos.

  164. Dustylegnd says:

    you are talking 10 ply soft

  165. Pescador says:

    Lowetide: Must be a generational thing. Calgary is gorgeous and the people are mostly the same, although prices are higher and income too. That would create some minor differences but mostly work to Edmonton’s advantage. Example: When I sold radio, made good dollars dealing with Calgary head offices. They had budget to spend, so I would grab that before revealing rates were lower. Increased coverage (more commercials, more impact) worked often. I never say that I made some smooth move, because buyers see sellers coming. I was a nice person and was very open about my intentions.

    My experiences with Calgary have been exceptional over many decades.

    Could not agree more
    Cgy Diamonds >> Diamonds Edm

  166. Pescador says:

    #fakenews

  167. Dustylegnd says:

    Love those Modello commercials that celebrate the warrior spirit, those individuals strong enough to do the things other are not capable of …..or willing to do to keep the rest of us safe……..my go to beer in the US

  168. Scungilli Slushy says:

    SoMe kudos should be given to Katz.

    The Oilers were not what they are now when he bought them.

    He made mistakes, but I would venture their management structure is now among the best. And classy.

    It took some time but I like how they behave and come across now and did not before.

  169. v4ance says:

    In case Woodguy needs something to do:

    https://twitter.com/EyelessSilas/status/1238826217865961473?s=20

    Text:

    Day 3 without sports

    Bet on the weather!

    Beat your local meteorologist. Make money.

  170. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    No.

    Its a big country.

  171. v4ance says:

    Sean Tierney @ChartingHockey

    For fun, I took the current standings as-is and simulated R1 of the playoffs using a playoff model I’m working on.
    Here’s how that turned out:

    BOS > CBJ (4-0)
    TBL > TOR (4-2)
    WSH > CAR (4-1)
    PIT > PHI (4-3)

    VGK > WPG (4-1)
    EDM > CGY (4-1)
    NSH > STL (4-1)
    DAL > COL (4-1)

    Round 2

    TBL > BOS (4-3, TBL was down 3-1!)
    WSH > PIT (4-0)

    EDM > VGK (4-1, upset!)
    NSH > DAL (4-3, low scoring…)

    Round 3

    T.B > WSH (4-0 sweep, wowzers)
    EDM > NSH (4-3, this was a back-and-forth toss-up)

    Time for the league’s best team over the past two years to take on the McDavid-led (Draisaitl-led?) Oilers…

    We made the Cup Finals!!!

  172. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Melvis: Neither was the Eatons catalogue. But then Red Foxx could do a 45 minute set on little more than “Wash Your Ass”.

    I know the bit.

    Red Foxx is an all time beauty.

    Filthy motherfucker.

  173. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    I RT”d that 10 hours ago.

    Now we’re running the sprinkler on the kitchen window and betting on which drop gets to the bottom sill first.

    GO LEFT DRIP YOU GODDAMN NAG!!!!

  174. Munny says:

    Sanitize & Son.

  175. N64 says:

    In the Finals did a D push anyone into the goaler that got us there?

  176. Munny says:

    Out of the 200+ diseases caused by viruses, some of them known for years, scientists have managed to create (and subsequently modify due to viral mutations) 20 effective vaccines.

  177. unca miltie says:

    This is a great site for many conversations. There has been lots of laughs about the toilet paper situation but we were at Costco yesterday and there was no meat. No problem, we said our local small town grocer has a butcher and I actually prefer the meat there. I was just there, hardly any meat left either, no eggs, lots of canned goods though.

    I’ve been thinking about the economy. I saw on twitter a gal working at a hotel, no phone calls, WestJet possibly laying off 50% of their staff. the oilers paying part time staff, the flames not. I think about my work I expect retail other than groceries to fall dramatically soon. What happens to the staff in the malls, the car dealerships, vendor of other non essential items. Do businesses quit advertising. What happens if the schools do close? Do any of these people get paid? retail workers? Teachers? support staff? Does the whole country start drawing unemployment insurance?
    Al, if you think my thoughts and questions are out of line, feel free to delete.

  178. Scungilli Slushy says:

    N64: Hunter, Your Death March support team needs to restore your site from backups. It’s been hacked:

    You have my entry wrong:

    https://lowetide.ca/2019/10/02/2019-20-game-one-canucks-at-oilers/comment-page-1/#comment-866106

    Do you have any info on projections for Canada and how things are looking that you would like to share again?

    I don’t have time to look too deeply and there is a lot of me too internet.

    Would be appreciated!

  179. wolf8888 says:

    but…but…but…what about the nucks? 🙂

  180. wolf8888 says:

    What are the effective vaccines and how are you quantifying their effectiveness?

  181. Munny says:

    I should actually re-word it better… 20 of the virus-related diseases have been or can be stopped by effective vaccines.

    For a list of diseases with effective vaccines you can go here:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine-preventable_diseases

    Note that this list also includes bacteria-based diseases, protozoan-based, etc.

  182. Melvis says:

    Woodguy v2.0,

    We all need a laugh now and again. My current fave – Bill Burr.

    So I had a load of the Riff DT81 in the Argo Extreme. Nearly fuckin died…;-)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JWenOHOP2o

  183. Munny says:

    The economic consequences of this are likely to be so dire that slowing efforts will eventually be forsaken and the disease will be allowed to take its course until some sort of herd immunity is eventually achieved either through exposure or vaccination.

    This may be what China has decided at this point.

  184. v4ance says:

    I work(ed) in a hotel and at various places like the BMO Stampede and the Telus Convention Centre. I warned co-workers to prepare as if they would be off for 6 weeks with no pay earlier this week.

    Assuming a 4 week quarrantine/lock down period, even if the covid19 cases slow down, very few event bookings will still be on the calendar starting right after the 4 weeks are up. Most organizers have already cancelled or would cancel in an abundance of caution any event up until May 1st.

    If the hotels re-open in 4 weeks, expect a 2 week lag for anything to actually happen. Any large scale event would need to publicize the new date for attendees and finalize all the details with the venues.

    A competing company laid off all their staff effective Monday so they can all try for EI. My company is still holding off on that but talking to fellow staffers, there’s maybe one small event per venue for the next week. Since management can handle that workload, it’s pretty close to 100% of the hourly staff with no shifts for the next week.

    It’s gonna get ugly for a lot of people living paycheck to paycheck

  185. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Scungilli Slushy: RSSTwitter

    Daly is on record saying next season will be a full season.

    The vast majority of NHL revenues come from regular season tickets and the income that comes with that (concessions, team gear)

  186. v4ance says:

    Well, it’s actually going to be an anti-Roloson that wins us the 2020 Cup.

    Tippett is still fixated on starting Mike Smith even though Koskinen has been arguably better so Smith gets Game 1. Midway through, Kris Russell tries to star fish on a 2 on 1 and slides into Smith’s left leg straining that groin for the rest of the series.

    Koskinen comes in and leads the Oilers the rest of the way to the Game 6, 4-2 series win at home. Nuge conquers the Conn Smythe with an ungodly 30% shooting percentage and 4 game winners including 2 OT markers. Drai gets some consideration for the playoff MVP for feeding all those beauty passes to Nuge. McDavid doesn’t have a great playoff to qualify for the Conn but his line chips in some key goals.

  187. godot10 says:

    unca miltie:
    This is a great site for many conversations. There has been lots of laughs about the toilet paper situation but we were at Costco yesterday and there was no meat. No problem, we said our local small town grocer has a butcher and I actually prefer the meat there. I was just there, hardly any meat left either, no eggs, lots of canned goods though.

    I’ve been thinking about the economy. I saw on twitter a gal working at a hotel, no phone calls, WestJet possibly laying off 50% of their staff. the oilers paying part time staff, the flames not. I think about my work I expect retail other than groceries to fall dramaticallysoon.What happens to the staff in the malls, the car dealerships, vendor of other non essential items. Do businesses quit advertising. What happens if the schools do close? Do any of these people get paid? retail workers? Teachers? support staff?Does the whole country start drawing unemployment insurance?
    Al, if you think my thoughts andquestions are out of line, feel free to delete.

    Helicopter money is coming.

    QE-for-the-people, and not just the 1% and banksters.
    Yes, it won’t work in the long term, or even the medium term. But it buys a few months.

    #TheFourthTurningCometh

  188. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Daly is on record saying next season will be a full season.

    The vast majority of NHL revenues come from regular season tickets and the income that comes with that (concessions, team gear)

    Cheers

  189. N64 says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Do you have any info on projections for Canada and how things are looking that you would like to share again?

    I don’t have time to look too deeply and there is a lot of me too internet.

    Would be appreciated!

    This chart is 2 days old.

    https://www.macleans.ca/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/GILMORE1-1.png

    We were at day 6 on that chart. With 198 at day 8 we are roughly where Japan was at day 8. This is the point where the US left the Japan track when quiet spread surfaced. So are we tracing 2 weeks behind Japan or 1 week behind the US? That depends on how much unseen local transmission but also current distancing measures here

  190. Scungilli Slushy says:

    unca miltie:
    This is a great site for many conversations. There has been lots of laughs about the toilet paper situation but we were at Costco yesterday and there was no meat. No problem, we said our local small town grocer has a butcher and I actually prefer the meat there. I was just there, hardly any meat left either, no eggs, lots of canned goods though.

    I’ve been thinking about the economy. I saw on twitter a gal working at a hotel, no phone calls, WestJet possibly laying off 50% of their staff. the oilers paying part time staff, the flames not. I think about my work I expect retail other than groceries to fall dramaticallysoon.What happens to the staff in the malls, the car dealerships, vendor of other non essential items. Do businesses quit advertising. What happens if the schools do close? Do any of these people get paid? retail workers? Teachers? support staff?Does the whole country start drawing unemployment insurance?
    Al, if you think my thoughts andquestions are out of line, feel free to delete.

    I’m not a jet setter like some here.

    But I will say that I have a hard time feeling sorry for airlines.

    They are competing in the race to the bottom and in the 2-4 flights I take a year the aircraft are filthy.

    This pandemic was spread through air travel.

    Maybe charge enough to sanitize the term tubes.

    If I was rich there is no chance I’d take normal paths or conveyance through airports.

    Sickness factories

  191. BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

    €√¥£€^$,

    Late to comment but be careful with any lawsuit where you assert she’s an employee. It could have enormous tax implications. When the CRA lays ‘personal services’ judgements against people working as employees but filing taxes as a business, it’s a 50% tax bill due immediately.

  192. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Phone

  193. Gret99zky says:

    Munny:
    I feel like the AB Gov’t erred on the side of the economy and not public health yesterday.Trying to do the minimum possible to contain the spread.

    We’re cheating for offense when we need to be standing Team Virus up at the blue line.

    This.

    The Alberta Government is not doing enough.

    This wait and see approach is not preventative.

    This wait and see approach will cause a lot of families to experience trauma.

    “Let’s wait and see how many goals the opposition scores in the first period. Then, we’ll know what we need to do for the 2nd and 3rd.” Not the best strategy.

  194. wolf8888 says:

    predominantly bacteria based

  195. N64 says:

    OriginalPouzar: I’m not saying that the will pro-rate only that it is’t certain that they won’t or that another mechanism isn’t “negotiated

    Op, I honestly don’t understand what negotiation has to do with this. For Bonuses sure they cab negotiation with the PA and perhaps pro rata as before.

    But this is purely about trades registered between teams. The only negotiation is governors trying to get almost all of the governors to make registered agreements more “fair.” Any examples of that after other short seasons?

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