I find myself generally hopeful about these Edmonton Oilers this morning. The team, I believe, is figuring things out in real time. When a team has a collection of talent but no cohension, it is prone to losing structure and being unable to overcome obstacles.
These Oilers have some ways to go, but there is promise in each step these days. Just my opinion. I think we are seeing a sliver of daylight.
WHAT TO EXPECT IN OCTOBER
- At home to: Calgary, Vancouver (Expected 2-0) Actual 1-0-1
- Road: Rangers, Islanders, Devils, Detroit, Ottawa (Expected 2-2-1) Actual 2-3-0
- At home to: Montreal (1-0) Actual 1-0
- On the road to: Seattle, Vancouver (1-1) Actual 0-1-1
- At home to: Mammaoth, Rangers (1-0-1)
- Expected Record: 7-3-2, 16 points in 12 games
- Actual Record: 4-4-2, 10 points in 10 games
The Oilers are at a point a game pace and will fall short of my prediction, but the overall feel of the team is more positive than the last two seasons after 10. The team is bleeding due to auditions, but the leaders of the pack have not yet delivered either. Miles to go, nothing dramatic like 2-7-1 and the next two games offer challenge (Mammoth) and opportunity (Broadway Blue Shirts).
Nuge-McDavid-Mangiapane played 14:28, 9-6 shots, 71 percent expected goals and 6-2 HDSC. All that and no goals. Wow. The line had played just four minutes together at five-on-five before last night, suspect we’ll see them again. Intelligent players on this line. At five-on-five, McDavid and Mangiapane had three HDSC’s each, and 97 and 93 picked up PP assists.
Podkolzin-Draisaitl-Roslovic were a revelation last night. In 12:46, they were 9-4 shots, 2-0 goals, 2-1 HDSC and 52 percent expected goals. They received the luck that the 97 line did not see, but that’s hockey.
Frederic-Henrique-Lazar played 10:54, 3-4 shots, 1-1 HDSC and 59 percent expected goals. Trent Frederic had one HD chance, but the line was generally flaccid.
Howard-Tomasek-Savoie were high event in 6:03. They were 3-3 shots, 0-1 goals, 57 percent expected goals. I like all three players, but this as a line is just silly. Tomasek has 10 minutes NHL experience as a center and it’s a damned hard position. Howard-Savoie haven’t played much in the NHL, certainly not at the levels of the original Kid Line (1990) that gets mentioned as a comparable. I am a fan of Kris Knoblauch, but putting Howard-Savoie with an unproven center is just a bad idea.
Nurse-Bouchard played 18:22, 11-3 shots, 1-0 goals and 87 percent expected goals. The pass by Bouchard to Draisaitl was glorious, and shows what the young defender can do when at the top of his game. Credit to both members of the pairing, good things were happening when they were on the ice.
Ekholm-Walman played 14:55 and went 7-8 shots, 1-1 goals and 50 percent expected goals. Ekholm got walked from me to you on the GA, my goodness that’s a sequence that looks terrible. He has struggled with Bouchard this season, but is also 4-4 away from his traditional partner. I trust he’ll find his game before the playoffs. Walman is good. Very good.
Kulak-Emberson played 13:39, 6-4 shots, 0-1 goals and 59 percent expected goals. I like both defenders and Emberson is really coming on now imo. They are 6-4 as a tandem so far, think they’ll find their way.
Calvin Pickard stopped 23 of 27 shots and made some massive stops when the Oilers simply could not go down by three goals. Oilers fans are hard on the goalie, so Pickard will get lit up online today, but I like him and thought he was vital in getting that Bettman last night in Van City.
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Sports, man. Madness.
It’s a mad, mad, mad, mad world.
And that reference still isn’t long enough to fit perfectly. It needs about 12 more mads.
Ohtani with 2 homers and 2 doubles. Wow! Not sure why they didn’t walk him last at bat. 5-5.
The pitcher screwed it up. Threw it middle middle. Terrible execution.
Good inning by Bassit! Would be tempted to bring him back for the 9 th.
Kirk you chunky little stud!!! 3-2 Jays!
You don’t need to run fast when you can hit ‘em out!!
He is my wife’s favourite player.
He’s lovable for sure! Just reliable and works his tail off!
Wow bad call by umpire in Jays game.
It was a bad call, but it was a worse decision by Bichette to assume it was ball four. He took a run off the board for the Jays.
Yep. Didn’t help that Varsho dropped his bat and started walking to first but Bo should have been more aware.
That was a potential game changing bad call. They’d have scored at least a run in that inning.. absolutely terrible.
I don’t know how accurate the strike zone rectangle they show on tv is but there sure seem to be a lot of bad calls. I heard there was a game in season they determined there was 25 wrong calls! Maybe an electronic strike zone can’t come fast enough. Yea I know this would upset a lot of fans.
Looking at the umpire rating of the World Series only one was a top 5 umpire as far as highest percentage of correct calls. Rest were ranked 20th to 40th out of 66.. not exact numbers but I was shocked. Not sure why they wouldn’t go with 10 top guys percentage wise?!
Maybe we should get in touch with Hab fans given how screwed they apparently got last week?
Barger with a cannon!
Kirky Monster! 3-run jack to give the Jays the lead!
Mexican Beauty!!!
Ryan Kesler, a retired NHL center, has been charged with two misdemeanor counts of criminal sexual conduct in the fourth degree, according to court records.
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6755129/2025/10/27/ryan-kesler-sexual-conduct-charge-pleads-not-guilty/
Ryan Kesler just became a player of interest for Vegas.
McDavid’s 23:35 average ice time is the highest for a FW in a season since 2012-13 (Kovalchuk)
This seems utterly stupid of the coach to enable and/or enforce this. Same with the minutes to Drai.
These guys are getting older. Gonna run them into the ground
— that’s crazy. Makes me sad/angry
— Reminds me of the year they started Talbot in 73 games which was like 15 – 20 games more than the next highest goalie.
— then the next they played him hard again and saw him decline before he moved and once he found his footing minny found out he’s good if he plays max 50 games.
7 more than Freddie Anderson (8 more than Rask, Jones, Dybnyk).
20 goalies started 53 or more.
Giving up on Cam Talbot is often overlooked as the biggest blunder of the Oilers in the McDavid era
To play McDavid less, which I 100 percent am in agreement with, the coach needs options that he trusts to kill penalties and play more at 5v5.
This does not seem like a smart move for a guy who has played A LOAD of hockey the last 4 years; and especially the last 2
In a season following two long playoffs and including the Olympics, KK should be doing opposite of what he is doing. It’s been hard to argue with his success to this point but I think he’s losing the plot..
This will be an unpopular take here in this thread but McDavid and Leon can handle the physical load
I agree that there will be times when rest is absolutely needed later in the season, especially in an Olympics season. Certainly, that would be beneficial (mentally and physically)
That said, both players are accustomed to a playing with a higher level of performance and stamina. There will be games in the playoffs in OT or double OT
You need players who can outperform the other team, and McD and Draisaitl are the embodiment of that
putting Howard-Savoie with an unproven center is just a bad idea.
Everyone knows this except the coach! Someone should ask him what is he thinking?
No one in the media scrum asks these sorts of questions. Its all so kid-gloves all the time.
Not to mention, never one “what’s up with Connor’s poor play?”. Ever.
One of the ways we know Edmonton still isn’t a big time sports market.
I would suggest a two game experiment to KK:
-Keep the top two lines.
-Swap Tomasek with Philp, Frederic with Howard, and Kulak with Ekholm.
-Shoot at every chance you get and scramble for the rebounds. Not forever, but as a corrective measure.
What a crappy first 10 games of the season. The team looks disinterested as a whole, the team defence is a cluster with turnovers and bad decisions, the star players are underperforming the established levels and their games have been less the exciting generally.
At the same time, after having played 7 road games and 3 home games and coming off 8 games in 8 different arenas, they are tied for a wild card spot and 3 points out of the division lead (they have one more game played than some).
This is with each of McDavid, Drai, Bouchard, Nurse, Ekholm being horrible as a group (in aggregate). We KNOW McDavid and Drai will be better and we can almost be certain Bouchard will as well. Nurse likely (no, he’s not worth $9.25MM but he’s better than he’s played this season).
The situation is actually not that bad considering had bad that team has been relative to expectations (and established abilities of many).
Agreed on crappy! Have found my interest in watching all 3 periods of games is really waning. Could always count on our superstar to have nova moments. Thats not happening so much anymore. In a lot of cases the ability to get a net shot on 2 on 1’s is awful. Tough schedule to start for sure. Too many nights we have the 2 nd best goalie meaning it has to be compensated for. Hopefully better times ahead. Good thing there is lots going on in the sporting world for entertainment.
Good point about not being in a bad spot, they aren’t at 4 or 5 points 10 games in. Really who we should be watching are the Avs Jets and Knights. We’ll see if the Mammoth and Krak can keep it rolling, but usually mid tier teams that start hot fade as things go. I don’t see the 8-1 Devils or 8-2 Mammoth leading the league all season, or the 7-3 Habs holding in the top 5
They’re 4 points back of the Avs, same GP. Given health and an easing schedule, I expect they will be challenging for the conference
I also think the big picture is more important than trying to finish in a particular spot, like first in the west
Finishing like that shows the team is playing well, but means little in the second season. Focus on the big picture (TOI and team play), and if you can’t be first or second, be ready as possible for what really counts
“What a crappy first 10 games of the season. The team looks disinterested as a whole, the team defence is a cluster with turnovers and bad decisions, the star players are underperforming the established levels and their games have been less the exciting generally.”
I don’t know… I have it on good authority that it’s quite a bit easier to talk about what should be done from your basement than to actually do what only the elite of elite can do…
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Friendly ribbing aside, I mostly agree with your post here, but I do think that even if Nurse improves during the regular season, the Oilers should not rely on him too much for the playoffs. I firmly believe Nurse remains in amazing physical shape, he’s strong, he’s not injury prone, and he has (I believe) good offensive instincts. I would love to see the coach try out Nurse as a winger for an extended period. Nurse may not be strong defensively as a defenseman, but I believe he could be a somewhat defensively responsible winger.
OP with some honesty / critique. well done
Keeping a Nurse Bouch pairing may actually break a goalie. That would turn the chaos up to 11
I know Bouch has had horrible moments this year, but starting to wonder if playing with an injured Ekholm may have had something to do with it. I haven’t reviewed every goal against or anything, but if your partner isn’t where they’re supposed to be, then you’d be more likely to get exposed (especially on a team where forwards like to fly the zone early).
I actually hope to see Nurse – Bouchard for at least a few games and see if they can bring out the best in each other, albeit with some defenaive warts to work around
It’s funny that they often won’t give time to new things, and revert to things that aren’t working over time. Far too risk averse. It’s like playing vets not getting it done or too injured players too high up, instead of giving guys a chance to settle and prove. Harder in playoffs yes, bit not now and never impossible
Might be beneficial to let Ekholm sit on scheduled loss nights. Too many heavy miles
It’s too bad Howard didn’t cash but he does seem to be finding the quiet areas and it’s only a matter of time before he pops. When it comes to Savoie he works hard but is getting nothing accomplished. Maybe Savoie could use some more marination time in Bakersfield where he gets back his scoring touch.
Might be time to send both to the AHL.
Playing 8 minutes a night like last night and accomplishing very little is not great for development.
I think it’s Savoie that needs more marination time as a big part of his game is board battles which he seems to be lacking the last few games. I do think if Howard was getting the Tomasek push he would have 3-4 more goals by now.
Hard to say but in general rookies have to force the issue to stay with the big club.
It’s not like Howard is an 18 year old and he already does have experience playing with older, bigger players in the NCAA..
In looking at the rookie crop performance thus far:
Ivan Demidov – 19 – 9P +3
Emmitt Finnie – 20 – 8P +7
Oliver Kapanen – 22 – 7P +2
Jimmy Snuggerud 21 – 6P – 0
Ryan Leonard – 20 – 5P +3
Beckett Senecke = 19 – 5P -6
Michael Misa – 18 – 3P – 0 (only 5GP)
Jani Nyman – 21 – 3P +2
Sam Rinzel – 21 – 3P +2
Howard – 21 – 1P -2
There are is another dozen other rookies with superior performance but I’ve omitted the older Russians and a couple of defensemen who are hitting it out of the park,
A couple of posters have conjectured that perhaps Howard got a handshake deal of minimum NHL games played in order to sign with the Oilers and increasingly it seems that might be the case.
I don’t see that Savoie has anything further to learn from the minor leagues. If he’s to grow and carve out a place it’ll be w the Oilers, and if they don’t think he’s the goods then cut bait while you can still get something back. Me, I think our children is learning.
Howard on the other hand has the benefit of zero pro seasons under his belt. Provided they play him, I don’t see any harm in keeping him up, and I don’t see any harm in sending him down. Lots to learn yet wherever he suits up.
— I wonder if we have seen “peak McD” from a scoring perspective?
— he’s gone from almost 1.8 ppg two years ago to 1.5 last year and currently 1.2 this year albeit a tough start to this season.
— he hasn’t morphed into the 200 foot Stevie Y that finally won him Cups. Cosby won at his peak
— This is an incredibly taxing year : having gone to 2 finals in a row and the Olympics this year (has anyone heard my rant about why I’m not a fan of NHL in Olympics before!!)
— Anyway .500 without McD heroics is acceptable but have this lingering question …
There was that one end-to-end rush play last night. McDavid from two or 3 years ago would have had faster hands in tight and the puck would have found the back of the net.
Looking more Taylor Hallish with his rushes. 1v1 or 1 v4 doesn’t matter. Challenge the defender. Get the puck knocked off his stick and have to get it off the boards.
— let’s hope he doesn’t age out like Hall
— it’s also another interesting wrinkle in his decision to sign for 2 more years.
— I suppose a ton of teams would sign him for max and term @ 31 years old if indeed he has shown his peak years but it was such a big move for him in so many levels.
— it’s been many years that you would build a team around Crosby. He won his last cup at 30 years old.
Personally I take Leon over Connor to have a more impactful 2nd half to his career. This is no slight on Conner I just see Leon’s game aging better then Connor.
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It should be noted that all three of Tomasek, Howard & Savoie are waiver exempt, which might be convenient. Something to think about. Just saying.
Philp should be the center between Howard/Savoie, he’s the 4th best center on the team.
Right now Podkolzin is the highest scoring forward outside of the big 3, if Philp was actually dressed for all the games like he damn well should be, it would probably be Philp in that position. Coaches handling of Philp is disgraceful imo.
Frederic had a decent night, his two linemates I wouldn’t be saddened if I never saw them play for the Oilers again.
Pickard is meh, Vancouver’s tender is light years ahead of him.
Back to back against divisional opponents and came away with 1 point. Brutal, ugly, nothing to celebrate whatsoever.
Take 29/97 off of the PK, it has a cascading effect for all game situations. They’re not as fresh for their PP’s, they’re not as effective 5×5, they’re strained to make late game pushes. They can’t attack the opponent after an successful kill, something that has always brought good vibes for all of time for the NHL. Stop reinventing the wheel and use the wheel properly. Unprofessional, disgraceful, ignorant, amateur tactics.
Amen, brotha. Preach!
Lazar is a nice depth option to have in the 13/14 slot. He’s got some jam, goes to the right areas, plays hungry, etc. Henrique does some nice things, but ideally you’d be paying no more than 50% of his AAV for what he brings.
Not a particularly fair comparison, really. Yes they’re both spherical, but you’re lining up oranges to basket balls here.
Agreed. This has been done before to similar effect. Build up your depth players by bringing other guys into the fray and giving them a role. Leaning so heavily on the Duo in all situations tells everyone else they aren’t trusted. Here’s looking at you, Philp.
Starting to use them on PK as they hit the crest of the aging curve seems kind of not smart. They should be preserving them and tasking others with it
As Leadfarmer said resting Ek at times would also seem like a good plan if the second season is the priority. If Regula comes back decent he can spot in and play Walman left side
Trying to teach 29/97 more defence is only hurting everybody.
This is sacrilege as a Canadian but from a purely Oiler perspective the fewer Oilers that make team Canada the better. This season is going to be so hard for those players in the Olympics, especially Canadians and Americans. The schedule is so compressed.. and with the Oilers having had crazy extended seasons the past two I cannot imagine how tired these guys must be. If there isn’t a legit injury, maybe there needs to some illegit time off worked in for those players. This past stretch with travel (and of course the Western teams also have it way worse) is going to be more norm than exception this season.
Based on the season thus far, almost assured that only McDavid and Draisaitl go to the Olympics depending on Ekholm’s recovery.
Some teams like Florida will have 7 or 8.
Alright, I’ll take the bait on this one, with full knowledge that you’ve been dropping lines in the waters here today. And while also acknowledging that you stated ‘some teams like’ so you have a built in way out.
But, you did say Florida so I’m curious as what you think the difference is between the two teams so far this season as pertaining to the Olympics participation?
Florida 5-5-0 10Pts. GF 25 GA 28 GF:-3
Edmonton 4-4-2 10Pts GF 29 GA 32 GF:-3
I see two teams pretty much dead equal. Doesn’t really get closer than that does it? This of course doesn’t factor in QualComp or road trips but let’s call it a coin toss here. Both teams have/had significant injuries to impact players, Florida I would say more so. But again this is about olympic participation so that would actually go against Florida in this argument.
Now, if you were to say that Florida has more of an international contingent on their roster therefore giving those players more of a chance to make their respective national teams instead of say, the Canadians and Americans on either teams than I wouldn’t think that you were being disingenuous about trying to throw shade at the Oilers with using the season that the Panthers are currently having.
But alas, there it is, you saying ‘based on the season so far’.
They have 4 named players. Two are not playing in Bark and Turtle. Reinhart isn’t scoring well. So Balsinkis for Latvia, that’s 1
Bennett isn’t playing well at all. Marchand is, maybe. Forsling maybe. Lundell maybe. I don’t know that Jones or Ekblad can make it, or Bob
So 1, and 3 or 4 maybes? Outside of Barkov the don’t have elite players. Turtle and Bennett are for agro not pure skill – outside of Bennett’s freak playoffs, he’s back to normal. More than the Oilers, great, tire them all out
Canada
Sam Bennett
Brad Marchand
Sam Reinhart
US
Matthew Tkachuk – if healthy
Seth Jones
Finland
Anton Lundell
Eetu Loustarinen
Niko Mikkola
Sweden
Gustav Forsling
There’s 9 and I’m pretty sure all will be named and there is an outside chance that Aaron Ekblad gets the nod.
The difference between the teams this season is negligible since both teams are at .500 although Florida plays in a tougher division.
You are correct that Florida has a much more ethnically diverse roster while the Oiler roster is predominately Canadian.
The only other Oiler who might get consideration is Bouchard but his underwhelming start to the season works against him
Josh Samanski.
Condor
Olympian
A whole bunch of Latvians will also be able to make that claim.
8 games in 8 different arenas in what, 14-15 days? Not an excuse but a fact and a factor.
Not great last night but, to my eye, “better”.
Both Leon and Connor looked much better in the 2nd half – more like themselves.
Bouchard and Nurse much better.
Frederic his best game by far. 8 hits and engaged.
Roalovic looked like a legit 2nd line player and it looked like he had some chemistry with Drai.
Some real positives.
Demko >>> Pickard was the main differentiator.
Demko stopped Howard, McDavid and Nuge on breakaways.
It will be a tight season. When doing Power Wins I’m noticing a lot of BTB games, often both teams
Hopefully the reduced number of eastern trips helps them later
Glad to see you’re continuing with the Power Wins this season.
Thanks, I wasn’t sure but I’m too curious not to. I won’t start posting until more games are played and the season really starts rolling
Last year I picked the teams correctly to follow, we’ll see this season as there are some early surprises in the west
Bouch’s pass to Leo was a thing of beauty, a high light reel play. But how much of a game are plays like that? 1%?
That isn’t and can’t be the whole game. They have to get interested in playing basic sound hockey for the other 99%, and let the 1% be their ace in the hole against good teams. Give them nothing for 99% and keep the pressure on, and let the other guys get increasingly uncomfortable knowing the 1% can show up at any time. Psyops is a part of pro sports
Good things happen in a blink of an eye. That’s hockey.
They do, and more often than normal when you have the talent level EDM possesses.
However, if you’re playing the game with an eye to making the spectacular plays regularly, you’re ignoring the simple things that push the puck north on a regular basis. This leaves them open so often to fast breaks the other way, typically as a result of trying to drive through multiple defenders or pass across a clogged royal road.
Make the simple fundamentals the core of the game, and when that breaks down the opposition, use the spectacular to open up the holes that get exposed as a result of consistent pressure.
Exactly
The team definitely has some growing to do, and probably needs a goalie and or Nurse recovery but you can see the talent.
Early disjoint will hopefully grow into later cohesion. As LT says, better have your rookies and rotations early so they aren’t rookies without roles in the post season.
4-4-2, considering all the consternation on this and other Oiler talking sites, is really not bad. Especially over the last couple years.
https://x.com/hockeystatcards/status/1982661650319904892?s=46
October Bouchard is not an NHL defenseman.
Check out the shooting percentage and PDO of Ekholm-Bouchard five-on-five. It’s a thing.
They fully own that PDO based on their defensive blunders attacking and defending.
October Bouchard got two coaches fired.
October Skinner and an inexplicable switch to zone defence got 1 coach fired.
I dont know who the 2nd one was cause it wasn’t Tippett.
Skinner was the backup goaltender. Backup goaltenders do not get a coach fired.
They may have found something with (Podz-Leon-Roslovic). When Hyman returns it will be
(???-McDavid-Hyman) I don’t know if Mangiapane is the answer or if they should look for another guy to slot in there via trade. Maybe Nuge? But they might want him at 3c. Still lots to sort out. Might this be OK?
Nuge-McDavid-Hyman
Mange-Leon-Roslovic
Podz-Philp-Savoie
Henrique-Lazar-Freddy ( Who’s the 4c? They all can play center.)
I did say they might have found something with ( Podz-Leon-Jack) ??
Fun times.
I told myself I’d be patient until the midway point of the season for KK to find lines that work. That said, it’s frustrating that its taken until game 10 to try out a line like Nuge – McD – Mangia and we instead were trying out Drai -McD – Frederic to start the year.
Hopefully last game’s top 6 have bought themselves some time to gel for a few games, because the underlying numbers seem to suggest there is something there.
I think it was the Montreal game, Sportsnet flashed a graphic that showed Knoblauch used 21 different line combinations to start the season.
I believe that’s up to 24 at least since last night’s game.
Not instilling confidence in me, to borrow MIC’s motto.
The season’s only 10 games old and they’re still figuring things out. Knoblauch likes to file different lines combos into his memory banks to use at a later date, which can prove to be valuable when the time is needed. Once winning combos are found it’s usually tough to change a winning lineup.
Walman seems to help Ekholm, where Ekholm used to help Bouchard. That seems to be the situation now. Bouch needs a good stay at home defender with his tendancy to be more offensive minded. Hope that coaching is looking hard at that.
It might be inevitable that eventually Ekholm will be best suited for the third pair.
Time catch’s up to all. Having a strong pipeline of player is vital.
The sooner Hyman gets back, the better. It’s weird to say, but I think he’s gonna fix the offence. He plays very north/south, and goes to the dirty areas of the ice. His presence alone is going to funnel more pucks to the net, and cause chaos in front of the goalies.
A poster said yesterday Hyman had 5 or 6 metal plates in his wrist??? We likely shouldn’t expect him to be the immediate saviour
Maybe not immediately, but his style of play is what needs to get injected into this team’s DNA. I’m not too worried about his shooting, as he could likely be just as effective with a snowshovel. But someone needs to start getting to the net and creating traffic, then rebounds will start getting “shoveled” in. They’re way too fancy with the puck right now.
That’s hard to believe.
I was just repeating what Bob said during the intermission last night
— the chances of a re-injury or just simply lost the touch as a result of this is a lot higher than I believe most here hope or willing to concede
— I’m in the “he’s done as a scorer” camp.
— he will be rusty. Will be coming back way earlier than advised because he’s a champ and no way it’s close to 100% for a long time if ever
Plenty of evidence his skills were already in decline before the injury.
Possibly the Oilers most valuable forward through 15 playoff games – including 5 goals and 11 points, on pace to break the hits record, etc
We don’t know if he’s coming back any earlier though – that’s pure speculation.
I’m not sure a working wrist is really a requirement for Hyman’s game, including much of his goal scoring.
I’m only partly serious, of course, but, well, deft stick handling and shooting from distance are not really part of his game.
There was some encouraging team defensive play at times, numbers protecting the house, hopefully they can dial it in to doing it for a full 60
Ha – my ‘don’t do it but do it’ defense pairings worked! Kind of…