Game 39 2019-20 Condors at Reign

This is an important stretch for the Bakersfield Condors, and the first two games (on the weekend) were losses. Goalie Shane Starrett, who was quality a year ago, is rusty after coming back from injury. Stuart Skinner, who has been the top goalie in recent days (before Starrett’s return) may draw back in today. It’s a big opportunity.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of The Athletic, less than two coffees a month offer here. 

  • New Lowetide: With the Oilers’ minor-league goaltending not good enough, Ilya Konovalov might be the answer
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Josh Archibald, Riley Sheahan show the upward trend of Ken Holland’s offseason moves for the Oilers
  • Lowetide: Post-Christmas performance spike has Evan Bouchard pushing for an NHL job with the Oilers
  • Lowetide:  Central Scouting’s midseason list offers Oilers some strong draft options
  • Jonathan Willis: The Oilers’ road forward — and perhaps to a Stanley Cup — requires trusting the kids on defence
  • Jonathan Willis: Oilers make a smart two-year bet on Caleb Jones, who has done nothing but improve
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: 3 things from the latest Oilers win: A lacrosse goal, Mike Smith’s resurgence and Connor McDavid’s new linemate
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: A defiant Zack Kassian issues his latest salvo against Matthew Tkachuk: ‘He messed with the wrong guy’
  • Lowetide: Dave Tippett’s deployment of Oilers defencemen indicates Kris Russell is vulnerable to trade
  • Jonathan Willis: Oilers Notebook: Jujhar Khaira’s future, Caleb Jones’ adaptation to NHL speed
  • Lowetide: Projecting William Lagesson’s future with the Edmonton Oilers
  • Jonathan Willis: Kailer Yamamoto has impressed the Oilers and especially star linemate Leon Draisaitl
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: 10 bold predictions for the Edmonton Oilers in 2020
  • Jonathan Willis: Inside a coach’s impact: How Dave Tippett gets the most out of the Oilers’ players
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Deciding what to do with Darnell Nurse, Mike Smith, Tyler Benson and Evan Bouchard
  • LowetideKen Holland’s targets for his first trade deadline with the Oilers.
  • Lowetide: Ken Holland’s trade deadline options for the Oilers
  • Jonathan Willis: Zack Kassian’s breakout performance presents Oilers GM Ken Holland with a familiar dilemma
  • Lowetide: Complete Oilers top 20 prospects list, winter 2019

CONDORS IN THE LAST 10 GAMES

Markus Granlund is the most impressive forward in this stretch, followed by Tyler Benson and Josh Currie. Offensively, Evan Bouchard and Joel Persson have delivered. Defensively, Jake Kulevich, Bouchard and Dmitri Samorukov are doing good work.

William Lagesson and Matt Benning were sent out for the break by the Oilers, so expect to see both men in action for the Condors this week. I’ll also suggest Skinner gets the start in goal, Starrett had a bad weekend.

PROSPECTS NHLE

I wanted to run this list both as an overview of the top prospects in the system and a possible discussion point of possible trade assets. Seeing this, I go back to the idea of keeping Jesse Puljujarvi for another year. If you can’t get full value, why trade the asset? At least wait to make sure Raphael Lavoie has a year of pro hockey under his belt.

TRADE OPTIONS

My preference would be to acquire a player who is young and under control. Rentals aren’t going to help Edmonton beyond this season unless major dollars are spent and the Oilers are not flush with cash in the cap department.

My list would start with one of the Toronto wingers, I do like Josh Anderson but so do the CBJ. I think the most likely acquisition is someone like Saad or Zucker.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A busy Monday show (I’m on the round table at nine with several hooligans) starts at 10, TSN1260. At 10:20 we’ll be joined by Chris Meaney from The Athletic to talk NFL playoffs and Super Bowl matchup, then Connor Halley will pop in at 11 to talk football, Oilers and Japanese television. 10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter.

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  1. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    WC standings using points percentage shown as points over/under fake Bettman .500

    Central
    STL 19
    COL 12
    DAL 10

    Pacific
    VAN 9
    EDM 8
    CGY 7

    Wildcard
    VGP 6
    ARI 6

    Out of playoffs
    WPG 5
    NSH 4
    CHI 4
    MIN 2
    SJS -4
    ANA -5
    LAK -9

    Fading Hellebuyck is just good business.

    Relevant games today: None

  2. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    EC standings using points percentage shown as points over/under fake Bettman .500

    Metropolitan
    WSH 22
    PIT 18
    NYI 13

    Atlantic
    BOS 18
    TBY 14
    FLA 10

    Wildcard
    CAR 10
    CBJ 10

    Out of playoffs
    PHI 9
    TOR 8
    NYR 3
    BUF 2
    MTL 1
    OTT -6
    NJD -7
    DET -21

    CBJ has won 5 in a row and is 15-2-4 in their last 19 games played.

    All this with an active payroll of ~$58.6MM

    Their total cap is $75.3MM and have $14MM on LTIR and $2.7MM in buyouts

    Relevant games today:

    FLA (-110) at MIN (-110) – FLA is playing well, MIN not so much.

    • Darth Tu says:

      Let’s go Florida. I’m now full on aiming at the Oilers making the playoffs, I’m less bothered about where we end up in the final rankings at this time, if it’s 2nd wildcard I’ll celebrate wildly. The further back those teams just outside of the wildcard spots can fall the better.

      Chicago are the team that currently worry me the most. Nashville – if they can somehow get their putrid PK in order might be a threat as well. As for Winnipeg – nothing against them, I like to see them do well, but for now, FADE HELLEBUYCK, FADE!

  3. Hall Awaits says:

    Johnsson would be my pick for a top 6 forward to play with McDavid. Locked in for 3 more years after this one. I wonder if Jesse and Jujhar would get it done?

  4. hunter1909 says:

    Playoffs right now:

    Oilers at home to the Flames = Dreamland!

  5. jtblack says:

    If Lagesson and Benning go in, who would they sit?
    Lowe? & Day?

    I think Woodcroft in the Bake has been excellent for the Organization

  6. Fraktal says:

    jtblack,

    That’s who I would sit, unless Persson and/or Kulevich have been playing particularly poorly.

  7. Jethro Tull says:

    “…..Seeing this, I go back to the idea of keeping Jesse Puljujarvi for another year. If you can’t get full value, why trade the asset?….”

    Well, I guess that depends on what you think full value for Jessie is right now. Probably not the #4OV he cost. Probably not even the #35 that Holland should accept.

    We’re getting to a moral decision here: Is it ethically right to hold someone back if they have consistently said they do not want to be a part of your organization?

    I refer you to the Bosman Ruling in football, whilst not the same situation, does have some similarities.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosman_ruling

    Here a team could basically sit on you if you didn’t sign a team friendly contract at the end of your current one. You were in limbo, couldn’t even play kick-about in the park.

    The right decision is to let him go. We aren’t getting anywhere near to value for Jessie due to the very nature of his situation. Unless a GM owes Ken a solid, or there’s another problem child out there, there’s no compelling reason to trade for JP.

    The best we can hope for is a change of heart, but every good game with the minutes JP thought he should be getting by KY puts a nail in that coffin.

    Use him as a sweetener at the draft. That’s about his value at the moment.

    • Darth Tu says:

      I agree. I think we need a Holland/Jesse chat during the All Star Break. If Jesse still wants out and is unwilling to come back to camp in the summer to give it another shot let’s start shopping him.

      As you say, draft time is probably the best time to move him on, his value will be at it’s highest.

      It’s almost a shame that Seattle aren’t coming into the league next year – you’d think if Jesse was left unprotected they might take a punt on him.

      • SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

        Shopping him is fine.

        Giving him away to a team is not fine and should not be contemplated as its completely asinine. He was drafted by the Oilers and paid $2.75 million for his services so far.

        Jesse chose to take his ball and fly home

        He can play all the kick-about all he wants back in Europe

        If he wants to play in the NHL the Oilers have all the leverage and there is zero reason to give that up.

        • Jethro Tull says:

          Sunk cost fallacy. He is useless to us where he is. Nobody cares how well he plays, he’s only playing out of the kindness of Ken’s heart.

          It’d be asinine to trade for JP when all you have to do is wait and pitch. Unfortunately, there is a recent body of work in the NHL, both on and off the ice, by which to judge him.

          GMs aren’t worried by JP’s NHL skills, they’re worried if he’ll turn up for work or not if he doesn’t get the minutes he thinks he deserves.

          In other news, I’m very happy to be wrong about KY and he’s made that position his own. I bet JP’s agent isn’t, though.

          • SayItAin'tSo, Gretz, SayItAin'tSo! says:

            Ya the cost is so sunk that JP doesn’t cost them anything right how. JP isn’t taking up a roster spot, cap space nor anything else for the parent club so I fail to see why Holland is under any pressure or reasoning to trade him simply to trade him.

            If JP’s actual NHL value is zero and no team wants him (which probably isn’t the case) then why does it matter if they Oilers hold his NHL rights into infinity?

            If JP is re-building his value playing in Europe in any sort of way it behooves Holland to maximize that value for the Oilers either as a reconstituted teammate or as a trade chip at the right time and place.

            No need to rush anything or claim that Holland owes JP anything at all.

    • New Improved Darkness says:

      We’re getting to a moral decision here: Is it ethically right to hold someone back if they have consistently said they do not want to be a part of your organization?

      Absolutely acceptable if his attitude is hurting you as much as your attitude is hurting him. All is fair in war and love and legalized cartels.

      Especially when the original complaint from the player is that the organization is holding him back by progressing him too fast. That’s a problem stemming from excess alignment of interest, rather than not enough.

      What PJ needed to do to cope with the excess alignment of interest was demonstrate a willingness to skate to where the coach tells him to skate. It was that simple.

      In all art forms, the operative policy is to learn the constraints before you begin to transcend those limits with your special snowflake.

      I abuse the fine instrument of language as much as anyone I know, but no-one has ever accused me of not knowing the rules of syntax, grammar, semantics, good taste, propriety, judgement, sociability, and moral character which I routinely cast aside.

      Because I do know all these things, I rarely cause accidental distress in the mind of the intrepid reader (as damning as that confession must surely be).

      In refusing to follow a prescribed flight plan, PJ is refusing to internalize the mental model of his fellow teammates. He was off doing his own “creative” thing without any idea what a heavy and unorthodox cognitive burden he was imposing on his fellow linemates.

      His linemates would quickly be thrilled to take on this burden, if it was producing exceptional results. Is it easy to play with Patrick Kane?

      Hint number one: It’s always easy to play look what we can do, and you can’t. Game, set, and match. How quickly everyone involved finds a way.

      Hint number two: Would Kane have continued to play as he does if it wasn’t working?

      Probably not on every shift. (Some residual stubbornness is a good thing.)

      Why should we accept 10 cents on the dollar so that PJ can go off to get a second opinion on his unwillingness to fit the system, when there’s a 99% chance the next opinion is the same opinion dressed up in different language?

      If he returns next season and demonstrates at the NHL level that he learned something in the meanwhile, we’ll be more than happy to shop him at 40 cents on the dollar due to irreconcilable history.

      And it wasn’t all negative either. I’m pretty sure I recall during the Hitchmas mayfly miracle that Hitch was overflowing with seasonal cheer over PJ’s aggressive forecheck style. It was effective and his linemates knew why he was there, and what he was trying to accomplish. Not so much when he went rogue corkscrew Galaga on crossing into the offensive zone with possession, time after time.

      ———

      Lying in my bed I hear the clock tick and think of you
      Caught up in circles, confusion is nothing new
      Flashback, cold nights
      Secrets stolen
      From deep inside
      The drum beats out of time

      Time after time
      If I fall, you will catch me, you’ll be waiting
      Time after time
      If you’re lost, you can up-periscope and swivel 360 and you will probably find me humping like a mofo to open ice with my back turned unless Tkachuk separates you from your head before you spy the heavenly light of my renegade tail feathers

      Time after time
      If I fall, you will catch me, you’ll be waiting
      Time after time
      Time after time
      Time after time
      Time after time
      Time after time
      Time after time
      Time after time
      Time after time
      Time after time

      No clue dawned on how or why he became unpopular in the dressing room.

  8. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    Great stuff LT, particularly as the board discusses the ins and outs of possible trades in the next few weeks. Thanks.

  9. jtblack says:

    For the 2017 playoffs nobody thought Edm was “ready”, and Pete nibbled at the Deadline.

    If Edm truly has a competent 2nd line, which it appears to have now; we know McDavid will win his share ….

    Maybe Ken does more than Nibble at the deadline.

    Zucker has 3 years left @ $5.5 ….

    Not sure about all the $$ in and out, But maybe Ken can add as an example

    Zucker & Johnsson?

    Zucker & Wood?

    Zucker plays with Connor.

    Neal goes to line 3 and another addition adds to line 3.

    Would be interesting.

    IF Edm makes the playoffs as a Pacific Division team (not WC), they are any teams they face, they can beat (CGY, AZ, VAN).

    I agree with LT. No rentals. But maybe he can bring in 2 quality assets with term

  10. JimmyV1965 says:

    I would add some of the Montreal wingers to this list. Coleman in Jersey would have been a nice target about six weeks ago, but he’s priced himself out of the market now.

  11. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – I think the reason that the AHL Goalies are “dissapointing” is because with hindsight: we know that the D on that roster last year were indeed NHL ready

    – Losing Bear, Jones, Lagesson from last year’s D roster is a significant drop off, and replacing them with Bouchard and Samu matters a lot.

    – Just as Koski is playing better this year because he has NHL D behind him (and this was predictable), the goalies in the AHL are “struggling”, because they are breaking in new rookie D, and the best ones left (this too was predictable)

    – I bet for the games that Benning and Lagesson are down there, the goalies will look better

    – Re: Smith: while it’s great that he’s won a few games, he is amongst the worst goaltenders in the league by most measures (even with these bunch of starts). I hope this “hot streak” continues. But I doubt it: he is among the leaders for really bad starts, and his lets in more goals than he ought to: which is supported by one of the worst Saves below average in the league, for two years.

    – Koski on the other hand for the last 2 years has shown that with a healthy D is is at least a league average Goaltender.

    – Lets hope Smith keeps it up, and Koski gets more starts going down the stretch, as he’s the better goalie, by most measures.

    • Darth Tu says:

      Great point on the D lost to the AHL team having a bit of a hit on the AHL goalies. It’ll be interesting to see what happens to their GAA and save % over the next two weeks with Benning and Lagesson in the mix (as you say).

      Smith is a roller coaster. I go from loving to being terrified of him on a play by play basis. Some of those saves against Arizona were top drawer, and then some of those plays were car crashes waiting to happen. I wonder what goes through the D-men’s heads when they see Smith barreling out of his crease to make a play at the blue line 😀

    • pts2pndr says:

      The goalies are voodoo is in many cases not the man in net but the D in front of him. Prime example Devan Dubnyk.
      There is a leadership aspect of Smith that I truly respect. I would like to see the organization keep him after he hangs up the pads. I think there is much he can add for our young tenders .

  12. Side says:

    I don’t mean to beat a dead horse here today, but I read this last night and it includes commentary from 2 of hockey’s shitheads, Bieksa and Kesler, on the Kassian/Tlachuk situation:

    https://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/cult-of-hockey/ryan-kesler-lays-down-the-law-on-matt-tkachuk-everybody-that-knows-the-game-of-hockey-thinks-what-kassian-did-is-right

    They actually covered the situation pretty well. I enjoyed the Raffi Torres comparison and the discussion on that. I also believe they kind of throw some cold water on the idea that Tkachuk’s teammates would turn on or shun Tkachuk over the hits and refusing to fight Kassian.

    The 29th will be interesting.

  13. Bar_Qu says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    Relying on Mike Smith for anything other than his hot streaks is a loser’s game. Picking up a back up at the deadline is the smart bet. Cathy Silverman pointed out that Smith is a hot and cold goalie, and when he’s cold he is really cold. Not someone you want on the team if the starter gets hurt or needs rest. I’m glad he’s playing well now, but he is going to start playing badly again (and if his last game is any indication, he’s already started).

    Overall, the goalie depth is poor in the org, despite a lot of time put into it, and a waiver pick up or trade for a surplus G is definitely a requirement if the Oil look to make the playoff.

  14. Andy Dufresne says:

    “New Lowetide: With the Oilers’ minor-league goaltending not good enough, Ilya Konovalov might be the answer”

    Alexander Georgiev

    If we dont grab him the Maple Leafs will

    Smith only under contract for this year.

    PLEASE Holland. Multitask. Think of next year NOW. Sacrifice if you have to.

    Also, Georgiev could be our Ken Dryden in this years playoff run.

    Konovalov could replace Koskinen when his contract expires.

    Then our tandum would be Georgiev/Konovalov. And this is coming from a guy who holds a grudge against the USSR 🙂

    #FosterHewitt

    #HENDERSON!!!!!!

  15. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    Darth Tu:
    Great point on the D lost to the AHL team having a bit of a hit on the AHL goalies. It’ll be interesting to see what happens to their GAA and save % over the next two weeks with Benning and Lagesson in the mix (as you say).

    Smith is a roller coaster. I go from loving to being terrified of him on a play by play basis.Some of those saves against Arizona were top drawer, and then some of those plays were car crashes waiting to happen. I wonder what goes through the D-men’s heads when they see Smith barreling out of his crease to make a play at the blue line 😀

    Not sure what is going through their heads, but pretty sure their sphincters tighten up quite a bit 😉

  16. jp says:

    jtblack:
    If Lagesson and Benning go in, who would they sit?
    Lowe? & Day?

    I think Woodcroft in the Bake has been excellent for the Organization

    My guess would be Samorukov and Day. Potentially also Lowe/Manning going forward, to keep the younger guys from sitting too long…

  17. Harpers Hair says:

    Just listened to a fascinating interview with former NHL player Mike Johnson.

    When asked about the tight Pacific Division race, he suggested the standings will most likely be determined by goaltending (no surprise)

    He then ranked the goaltending tandems for Arizona, Vegas, Calgary, Edmonton and Vancouver.

    Suffice to say, as a few here are saying, immediately finding a reliable goaltender should be job one for the Oilers.

  18. frjohnk says:

    Tippet should tie a bungie cord from the net to Smith, so he cant play the puck farther than 5 feet of the net. I dont care how good he is at handling the puck.

    I believe it is 4 goals this year because he was fooling around with the puck nowhere near the net and would have been 5 if not for Klefbom in the past game.

    He has a save % of .901. Take away those 4 goals and his save % climbs to .907, which is decent for a backup goalie. He does seem like he is either really hot or really cold. He has 6 really bad starts, Koskinen has 4. They both are at 46% ( both at .458) for quality starts according to hockey reference.

    Koskinen will no doubt be rusty after the break. I think he is the more stable goalie and hope he gets some reps instead of running Smith the majority of time.

  19. OriginalPouzar says:

    Going to be great to see Matty Benning play in a hockey game tonight – presumably.

    Benning and Lagesson in for Deharnais and Kulevich will be a massive boon for the Condors!

  20. OriginalPouzar says:

    Starrett started both games on the weekend (although only played about 10 minutes in the fist game prior to the yank) – I wonder if Skinner gets the call tonight? I think they have 4 games in 7 nights now – thank goodness!

  21. OriginalPouzar says:

    Marody left last game and didn’t return after taking a hit.

    Of course, zero intel on what ails him or severity – will be curious to see if he plays tonight.

  22. Bling says:

    Puljujarvi for Georgiev.

    JP and Strome reunited!

  23. jp says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Going to be great to see Matty Benning play in a hockey game tonight – presumably.

    Benning and Lagesson in for Deharnais and Kulevich will be a massive boon for the Condors!

    So Persson is injured?

    I’d forgotten Desharnais was up and didn’t realize they’d played 7 D last game.

    Lowe-Bouchard
    Manning-Day
    Samorukov-Kulevich
    Desharnais

  24. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Bar_Qu:
    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    Relying on Mike Smith for anything other than his hot streaks is a loser’s game. Picking up a back up at the deadline is the smart bet. Cathy Silverman pointed out that Smith is a hot and cold goalie, and when he’s cold he is really cold. Not someone you want on the team if the starter gets hurt or needs rest. I’m glad he’s playing well now, but he is going to start playing badly again (and if his last game is any indication, he’s already started).

    Overall, the goalie depth is poor in the org, despite a lot of time put into it, and a waiver pick up or trade for a surplus G is definitely a requirement if the Oil look to make the playoff.

    – It’s funny: Smith is worse than Koski last year, but they have scored a lot of goals to cover up some of the more awful of his games, and win more, so he done’st really get any scrutiny. (certainly not the vitriol Koski got last year, and all the experts saying he’s no good) . Smith on this team last year would be so fugly…

    – And the neat thing is this year: they both have the same team behind them, so the disparity is clear. Smith is actually after these last few starts just a below-average back up. The team is better so he’s masked, but with our D mostly all healthy, Smith has been luck big-time. He’s playing better as Klef seems to be back to 100%: which again isn’t a surprise based on how our G’s tend to do when he’s healthy, and we have mostly other NHL D.

  25. frjohnk says:

    Harpers Hair:
    That won’t get a sniff.

    It’s reported the Rangers have already turned down a Kapanen for Georgiev trade.

    The only thing I saw was that Dreger said something like ” Even Kapenan probably wouldnt get it done”

    But then again, I have been quite busy lately and have not been reading much hockey lately and could have missed something

  26. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    Harpers Hair:
    Just listened to a fascinating interview with former NHL player Mike Johnson.

    When asked about the tight Pacific Division race, he suggested the standings will most likely be determined by goaltending (no surprise)

    He then ranked the goaltending tandems for Arizona, Vegas, Calgary, Edmonton and Vancouver.

    Suffice to say, as a few here are saying, immediately finding a reliable goaltender should be job one for the Oilers.

    A new goalie would be nice to add to the wish list. However, to the Oilers benefit they have not been riding one goalie most of the year (i.e., Vegas, Calgary, Vancouver basically have), although maybe Talbot has shown he can carry the load a bit in the months ahead for PHELEGMS. So in this regard their ~”league average” performance may be sustainable, not sure if the performance can be sustained with the other teams that have used one goalie extensively.

  27. godot10 says:

    Side:
    I don’t mean to beat a dead horse here today, but I read this last night and it includes commentary from 2 of hockey’s shitheads, Bieksa and Kesler, on the Kassian/Tlachuk situation:

    https://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/cult-of-hockey/ryan-kesler-lays-down-the-law-on-matt-tkachuk-everybody-that-knows-the-game-of-hockey-thinks-what-kassian-did-is-right

    They actually covered the situation pretty well. I enjoyed the Raffi Torres comparison and the discussion on that. I also believe they kind of throw some cold water on the idea that Tkachuk’s teammates would turn on or shun Tkachuk over the hits and refusing to fight Kassian.

    The 29th will be interesting.

    To be fair, Raffi came in with his elbows high looking for a head shot. Matty Douchebag doesn’t do that. They are NOT the same hit if one is not targetting the head.

    Kassian is also more likely to get a call if he would do up his effing chinstrap. On the first hit, the one that probably should have been a penalty, his helmet flew off perpendicular to the hit, which is evidence that the head was not the primary point of contact. You know, basic physics.

    If Tkachuk is dropping down, a forward should be filling the hole he is leaving in the defense.

  28. OriginalPouzar says:

    ducttapeandfoil:
    This is based on nothing but speculation, but I think Russell packs it in after he’s paid his bonus this summer. “Only $1.5 million left on the contract (he’s made over $28 million in his career) and it might not be worth sticking your face in front of frozen rubber and high sticks for another 100 nights. Way down on his usual number of blocks this year so this might be his last rodeo.

    You never know, and I acknowledge you are just spit-balling, but I don’t see this at all.

    I think Rusty is one of those guys that loves the games and the dressing room and the boys and will hang on. He’s no spring chicken but only 33 (I think) and has, at least to this point, generally had a healthy year.

    I don’t see him retiring before the end of his contract and I anticipate he’ll be seeking another unless his health starts to fail him.

  29. frjohnk says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – It’s funny: Smith is worse than Koski last year, but they have scored a lot of goals to cover up some of the more awful of his games, and win more, so he done’st really get any scrutiny. (certainly not the vitriol Koski got last year, and all the experts saying he’s no good) .Smith on this team last year would be so fugly…

    – And the neat thing is this year: they both have the same team behind them, so the disparity is clear. Smith is actually after these last few starts just a below-average back up. The team is better so he’s masked, but with our D mostly all heavy, Smith has been luck big-time.He’s playing better as Klef seems to be back to 100%: which again isn’t a surprise based on how our G’s tend todo when he’s healthy, and we have mostly other NHL D.

    Interesting you bring up goalies and the D in front of them. I dont disagree with you as I believe there is something to be said about the D in front of a goalie. But it doesnt tell the whole story.

    Smith’s save % from last year in Calgary is basically the same with the Oilers this year.

    Koskinen last year was .906, this year is .910 with the Oilers.

    Talbot this year is rocking a .922 after 16 games. Last year he was junk with the Oilers.

  30. jp says:

    Year over year progress?

    Player ——————– GP – G – A – TP ———- Player ———– GP – G – A – TP – Projected TP
    1 Connor McDavid —— 78 41 75 116 —- Connor McDavid —— 49 27 49 76 127
    2 Leon Draisaitl ———– 82 50 55 105 —- Leon Draisaitl ———– 49 27 48 75 125
    3 Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 82 28 41 69 —– Ryan Nugent-Hopkins – 43 13 20 33 55
    4 Alex Chiasson ———- 73 22 16 38 —– Zack Kassian ———— 44 13 15 28 47
    5 Zack Kassian ———— 79 15 11 26 —- James Neal ————– 49 19 9 28 47
    6 Milan Lucic ————– 79 6 14 20 —– Alex Chiasson ————- 43 6 10 16 27
    7 Jujhar Khaira ———— 60 3 15 18 —– Riley Sheahan ———— 44 6 5 11 18
    8 Tobias Rieder ———— 67 0 11 11 —- Josh Archibald ———– 40 6 5 11 18
    9 Drake Caggiula ——— 29 7 4 11 —– Sam Gagner —————- 24 2 7 9 15
    10 Ty Rattie —————– 50 4 7 11 —–Joakim Nygard ———– 32 3 6 9 15
    11 Sam Gagner ———— 25 5 5 10 —– Jujhar Khaira ————- 42 6 2 8 13
    12 Jesse Puljujarvi ——– 46 4 5 9 —– Gaetan Haas ————— 41 4 4 8 13
    13 Kyle Brodziak ———– 70 6 3 9 —– Kailer Yamamoto ———– 8 3 3 6 10 (*31)
    14 Josh Currie ————– 21 2 3 5 —– Markus Granlund ———– 31 3 1 4 7
    15 Ryan Spooner ———– 25 2 1 3 —– Patrick Russell ———— 32 0 4 4 7

    Edit: * Yamamoto projects to 10 points based on scoring 6 so far. If he plays all the remaining games at his current pace he projects to 31 points.

    • GordieHoweHatTrick says:

      Thanks! Well, the 2 stars are going supernova (stating the obvious). Incremental improvements for the other 12 “top points” positions. I think KY will beat 10 points, but that is just a little scaling error…maybe 25-33 pts if he keeps his current pace? In that case I think one could definitely argue “yes” progress.. The overall GF-GA is also suggesting significant progress.

      • jp says:

        Yeah it seems like there is some degree of improvement from last years historically bad!

        And for the projections I just multiplied current points by the number of games remaining to account for injury time (that is, if a player missed games in the first part of the season they were projected to miss time after).

        For Yamamoto he projects to 30-31 points if he plays the remaining games.

        • jm363561 says:

          I agree that it would be useful to adjust for injury and show 82 games equivalent. Nuge is a projected 55 points above … meh. On an 82 game equivalent – 63 points. Better.

  31. Harpers Hair says:

    GordieHoweHatTrick: A new goalie would be nice to add to the wish list. However, to the Oilers benefit they have not been riding one goalie most of the year (i.e., Vegas, Calgary, Vancouver basically have), although maybe Talbot has shown he can carry the load a bit in the months ahead for PHELEGMS. So in this regard their ~”league average” performance may be sustainable, not sure if the performance can be sustained with the other teams that have used one goalie extensively.

    Splitting starts between an average goaltender and a below average goaltender is likely not the best winning strategy.

  32. ArmchairGM says:

    jtblack: I agree with LT. No rentals. But maybe he can bring in 2 quality assets with term

    Quality assets with term aren’t easy to come by mid-season, but if Holland can unearth a couple and win the trades, I’m all for it. What I don’t agree with is making absolute statements regarding rentals. If there is a deal out there for a middle-6 forward for a mid-round pick, why not add skill to the roster? There are some players that go for way less than expected every deadline and Holland would be remiss if he wasn’t on top of these. Do you really think guys like Vesey, Sheary and Girgensons (just looking at Buffalo’s roster, for instance) are going to cost more then a 4th or later pick?

    I say a rental could be a good move, especially if its treated as a test-drive for UFA’s that we’d be interested in signing in the summer.

    • GordieHoweHatTrick says:

      I would say 4th round 2021 or later picks are worth considering for a rental along the lines that you describe…wouldn’t make me puke.

  33. McSorley33 says:

    Are we surprised Kailer did not get sent down for more games played?

  34. Reja says:

    godot10: To be fair, Raffi came in with his elbows high looking for a head shot.Matty Douchebag doesn’t do that.They are NOT the same hit if one is not targetting the head.

    Kassian is also more likely to get a call if he would do up his effing chinstrap.On the first hit, the one that probably should have been a penalty, his helmet flew off perpendicular to the hit, which is evidence that the head was not the primary point of contact.You know, basic physics.

    If Tkachuk is dropping down, a forward should be filling the hole he is leaving in the defense.

    Very entertaining listening to Bieksa and Kesler’s podcast even though both played with Kass I don’t think they we’re being biased with their take on Tkachuk turtling and his post game comments.

  35. Bulging Twine says:

    If you have Lebron James or Michael Jordan, a once in a generation talent, it would be super prudent to identify who he has his best results with and surround him with those players.

    I would think the path to winning would be to maximize your best players talents, to sponge out the most that you possibly can from them. To give them what they need in order for their superior talents to help win the game. For most of the league there isn’t a ton of difference between the players, most are 6’s or 7’s.

    In other words, when thinking of the players that play on McDavids line, it would be most beneficial I would think to view them from the perspective of: are they helping McDavid to help win the game moreso than from the reference point of the inferior player and how they benefit from playing with McDavid.

    It’s about how to maximize McDavid.

    Who does McDavid get his best results with?

    • pts2pndr says:

      You can’t really compare basketball and hockey re their top players. In basketball the top player can many times play 80% of the game. In hockey this is not possible. The reality in hockey is that you need two scoring lines as a minimum to be successful. This will require balancing the personnel available in most cases.

  36. ArmchairGM says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    “New Lowetide: With the Oilers’ minor-league goaltending not good enough, Ilya Konovalov might be the answer”

    Alexander Georgiev

    If we dont grab him the Maple Leafs will

    Smith only under contract for this year.

    PLEASE Holland. Multitask. Think of next year NOW. Sacrifice if youhave to.

    Also, Georgiev could be our Ken Dryden in this years playoff run.

    Konovalov could replace Koskinen when his contract expires.

    Then our tandum would be Georgiev/Konovalov. And this is coming from a guy who holds a grudge against the USSR

    #FosterHewitt

    #HENDERSON!!!!!!

    Georgiev is certainly worth a look. I wonder what Gorton thinks of Puljujarvi? Trouble is, I don’t think anyone can out-GM Gorton, so maybe it’s a losing bet. I’d still make the call.

  37. Bulging Twine says:

    McDavid 5×5 GF-GA is +6

    McDAVID 5×5 Goal differential while playing WITH:

    Kassian +7
    Nygard +4
    Archibald +3
    Chiasson +2
    RNH +2
    Khaira +1
    Sheahan +1
    Neal even
    Haas -1
    Yamamoto -1
    Granlund -1
    Russell -1
    Gagner -1
    Draisattl -3

    • Bulging Twine says:

      McDavid 5×5 GF-GA while playing without:

      Draisattl +9
      Haas +7
      Yamamoto +7
      Granlund +7
      Russell +7
      Gagner +7
      Neal +6
      Khaira +5
      Sheahan +5
      Chiasson +4
      RNH +4
      Archibald +3
      Nygard +2
      Kassian -1

      • Bulging Twine says:

        The difference for McDavid of playing with versus without:

        Kassian +8
        Nygard +2
        Archibald even
        Chiasson -2
        RNH -2
        Khaira -4
        Sheahan -4
        Neal -6
        Haas -8
        Yamamoto -8
        Granlund -8
        Russell -8
        Gagner -8
        Draisattl -12

  38. Bulging Twine says:

    5×5 GF – GA while playing without McDavid:

    Yamamoto +5
    Kassian +1
    Chiasson even
    Granlund even
    RNH even
    Haas -1
    Russell -1
    Draisattl -3
    Nygard -5
    Gagner -6
    Neal -10
    Sheahan -11
    Khaira -15
    Archibald -16

  39. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Harpers Hair,

    Problem with going after a good goalie is like who the hell is good year over year?

    Holtby .897
    Price .908
    Andersen .909
    Rinne .899
    Dubnyk .892
    Murray .900
    Lundqvist .907
    Fleury .906
    Gibson .906

    Maybe the play is just take a chance on two 1Bs like Edmonton is doing. They should both be paid less, but at least they aren’t sinking $7M+ into their .905 starter.

  40. Reja says:

    OriginalPouzar: You never know, and I acknowledge you are just spit-balling, but I don’t see this at all.

    I think Rusty is one of those guys that loves the games and the dressing room and the boys and will hang on.He’s no spring chicken but only 33 (I think) and has, at least to this point, generally had a healthy year.

    I don’t see him retiring before the end of his contract and I anticipate he’ll be seeking another unless his health starts to fail him.

    Why exactly would Russell retire after running and cashing the bonus cheque at the nearest bank.

  41. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – They aren’t getting another goalie by the way (barring injury): Tipp loves Smith, he’s a good soldier and well liked by his teammates.

    – Holland isn’t the type of GM that flushes guys like that just because the fancy stats aren’t complementary. I wouldn’t either, as it would be a detriment to the atmosphere in the room.

  42. godot10 says:

    Reja: Why exactly would Russell retire after running and cashing the bonus cheque at the nearest bank.

    One would think a signing bonus comes with a clause that the player actually has to play.

    I don’t think one can keep a signing bonus, if one retires after cashing the cheque.

  43. v4ance says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    WC standings using points percentage shown as points over/under fake Bettman .500

    Central
    STL19
    COL12
    DAL10

    Pacific
    VAN9
    EDM8
    CGY7

    Wildcard
    VGP6
    ARI6

    Out of playoffs
    WPG5
    NSH4
    CHI4
    MIN2
    SJS-4
    ANA-5
    LAK-9

    Fading Hellebuyck is just good business.

    Relevant games today:None

    https://twitter.com/EvolvingHockey/status/1219307097717903365?s=20

    Meanwhile, the Jets are on the complete opposite path. They only have an expected goal share of 37.4% since Christmas.

    Garret Hohl@GarretHohl
    https://twitter.com/GarretHohl/status/1219307162314272768?s=20
    Update on Winnipeg Jets and just how much of their success has been driven by Connor Hellebuyck.

    Says something about how bad the Jets D are, when Pionk has been the Jets best defender and he’s about 1/3 to 1/2 as good as Jets got on average with Trouba, Morrissey (aside from this year), Byfuglien, and Enstrom.

    From the “Hockey is mostly goalie” files….

  44. PennersPancakes says:

    LadiesloveSmid,

    I am in the boat that Price/Bobrovsky contracts are complete failures and fully agree 1A/1B is the way to go. I mean any traditional starting goalie schedule leaves goalies ragged going into the playoffs. Every year theres starters that fail and random call ups who shine. With goaltending being so mental heavy, it has to just be the nature of the positoin right?

    Who would have thought Elvis Merzlikins and Tristian Jarry would have 20+ starts and damn near .930?

  45. PennersPancakes says:

    godot10: I don’t think one can keep a signing bonus, if one retires after cashing the cheque.

    I am unsure about this and wont pretend to be an expert but in the case of a lockout players get to keep their signing bonus so maybe they can if they retire?

    Youd think there would be a clause but Ive never seen the details of an NHL contract to be honest.

  46. defmn says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Harpers Hair,

    Problem with going after a good goalie is like who the hell is good year over year?

    Holtby .897
    Price .908
    Andersen .909
    Rinne .899
    Dubnyk .892
    Murray .900
    Lundqvist .907
    Fleury .906
    Gibson .906

    Maybe the play is just take a chance on two 1Bs like Edmonton is doing. They should both be paid less, but at least they aren’t sinking $7M+ into their .905 starter.

    And I believe Holland is on record as saying exactly this back when he was in Detroit.

    I don’t think the current duo is his long term ‘dream team’ but I don’t think Holland is the type of GM to spend $7 mil on a starting goalie.

    As Kinger keeps pointing out a lot of this comes down to who is playing in front of the goalie rather than who is in net. The difference between a .920 goalie and a .910 goalie over a season is not a particularly revealing stat imo. It suffers from a ‘too large a sample size’ bias.

  47. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Bulging Twine,

    Use a bigger sample than just the 49 games this year.

    Unless you are only talking about this year.

    • Bulging Twine says:

      Right. Yes, just talking this year. Every year seems like it’s own animal. But, ya, small sample size alert. This year, and so far, these are the results.

      • Woodguy v2.0 says:

        Understood.

        The TOI of each player with 97 varies quite a bit too so it might be best to do a +/- per 60 of 5v5 time:

        It looks like this: (I got rid of anyone under 30 minutes…poor Haas has 1.14 minutes with 97 and they got scored on….)

        With +/1 per 60
        Joakim Nygard 4.5
        Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 3.9
        Alex Chiasson 2.6
        Josh Archibald 2.6
        Zack Kassian 0.7
        James Neal 0.0
        Leon Draisaitl -0.3
        Patrick Russell -1.7
        Sam Gagner -1.8

        Here’s each players TOI with McDavid:

        With TOI With
        Joakim Nygard 53.9
        Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 31.0
        Alex Chiasson 46.2
        Josh Archibald 70.2
        Zack Kassian 581.1
        James Neal 195.3
        Leon Draisaitl 523.6
        Patrick Russell 35.1
        Sam Gagner 32.4

        • Bulging Twine says:

          Thank you that is helpful. It adds to the picture.

          The reason I chose the straight cumulative count stats was that the small sample size of say a RNH with McDavid seemed to be exaggerated in the per 60 rates. He is 3 GF and 1 GA with McDavid. If they get scored on once more that rate sure changes in a hurry. Where as the numbers for Kassian and Draisattl are more trustworthy.

          The hard counts felt a little more concrete to me.

          t’s good to have those TOI numbers next to the stats to temper or give more info to the stats stated.

  48. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – Russell has been from the moment he was signed, one of the best 4-5 D on our team, for entire seasons. He has missed very few games, played a variety of roles, off-wing, chips in a few points on 5×5 (more than some other D), not great linemates etc.

    – He was a “bridge” for the draft and development, brought continuity, stability and depth, showed up every game and also happens to be a great mentor and guy.

    – Next season, after his bonus is paid, he costs $1.5MM: certainly there are teams that are going to value that contract (even with the $4MM Cap hit)

    – The terms of the contract: it was clear what the intent was. Russell has never been a problem in terms of precluding other players contracts (Sek being on IR for 2 seasons basically really hurt for instance). I never get why his contract is pointed to as a “failing” by the org

    – Sure there was the Oiler signing premia, the first D that was on our team that was real and we could re-up, less term we hope for, etc, and you wish he had more impact: but our D needed him big time. When the Sek’s and Klefs and Larrson’s were injured, he played higher up than he ought to have ideally. Now he is playing less, with the 4rth liners mostly and rookie partner on his off-wing

    – He’s delivered as advertised, and now that the Draft and Develops are surpassing him, on a timeline that meets the declining value of the structure of his contract: he’s easily moved. Seemed so clear to me at signing, and as he enters his last part of contract: it worked out as planned IMO

  49. Reja says:

    godot10: One would think a signing bonus comes with a clause that the player actually has to play.

    I don’t think one can keep a signing bonus, if one retires after cashing the cheque.

    Exzachary.

  50. Wilde says:

    Bakersfield Condors vs. San Diego Gullls; January 18th, 2020; deployment

    (pre-Marody concussion*)

    (13/7)

    Benson – Marody – Currie
    Granlund – Cave – Maksimov
    Esposito – Malone – Gambardella
    Stukel – McLeod – Granlund
    Granlund – McLeod – Maksimov

    Lowe – Bouchard
    Kulevich – Manning
    Samorukov – Day
    Lowe – Desharnais
    Kulevich – Day

    (post-Marody)

    Benson – Granlund – Currie
    Benson – Cave – Currie
    McLeod – Cave – Maksimov

    Game Totals:

    42CF-40CA
    27FF-18FA
    3GF-3GA

    Top F: Granlund (3.03 Game Score)
    6 shot attempts, 3 shot attempt assists
    1 goal, 2 assists
    19CF-14CA
    14FF-9FA
    3GF-2GA

    Top D: Bouchard (1.27 Game Score)
    4 shot attempts, 4 shot attempt assists
    20CF-9CA
    16FF-3FA (!)
    2GF-0GA

    *Cooper hit his head on the ice on the way down after clean contact. Nothing dirty, just unlucky.

    • GordieHoweHatTrick says:

      It will be interesting to see Bouch’s numbers with a legit D pair over the next week or so. Lag seems like a good fit! Put vet Benning with Samy to see if that helps Samy get a little more sorted out for a few games, then X-Day for the bottom pairing..

      • Wilde says:

        I’m interested to see how Benning does against lesser competition. Remember he played only a handful of games before coming up and staying up

      • pts2pndr says:

        I like how you think, it looks like balance to me. There is also a learning part to show how it should be done.

  51. ArmchairGM says:

    McSorley33:
    Are we surprised Kailer did not get sent down for more games played?

    Nope. He’s earned the rest break.

    • pts2pndr says:

      It would in, my opinion be counter productive to send him down. It would send the wrong message plus you bring in the possibility of injury.

  52. ArmchairGM says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Harpers Hair,

    Problem with going after a good goalie is like who the hell is good year over year?

    Holtby .897
    Price .908
    Andersen .909
    Rinne .899
    Dubnyk .892
    Murray .900
    Lundqvist .907
    Fleury .906
    Gibson .906

    Maybe the play is just take a chance on two 1Bs like Edmonton is doing. They should both be paid less, but at least they aren’t sinking $7M+ into their .905 starter.

    I’d like either Holtby or Murray next year, depending on the cost.

  53. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    defmn:

    As Kinger keeps pointing out a lot of this comes down to who is playing in front of the goalie rather than who is in net.

    – Hey I don’t “always” point this out I hope do I! (but it’s true and I think sometimes a worthwhile reminder, and this relationship too often discounted IMO)

    – Also, Holland has said that his sweet spot is the average goalie, because the marginal utility cost of a higher one is better spent elsewhere (hi Osgood). Except when he had Hasek….

  54. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    ArmchairGM: I’d like either Holtby or Murray next year, depending on the cost.

    I’d avoid both. Holtby is declining significantly and there is a good chance that Murray was a mirage and this is the real him.

  55. OriginalPouzar says:

    jtblack:
    If Lagesson and Benning go in, who would they sit?
    Lowe? & Day?

    I think Woodcroft in the Bake has been excellent for the Organization

    Kulevich and Deharnais

    Woody yup, lets not forget about Manson though – from accounts, he does a great job with the D.

  56. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    Harpers Hair: Splitting starts between an average goaltender and a below average goaltender is likely not the best winning strategy.

    Neither is riding one goalie into the ground

  57. OriginalPouzar says:

    Fraktal:
    jtblack,

    That’s who I would sit, unless Persson and/or Kulevich have been playing particularly poorly.

    Persson is a regular and he is producing very well (better than Bouchard – he is 25) but he’s been out hurt the last few games. All we know is “banged up” as they provide next to no information.

  58. Bulging Twine says:

    There’s a Q and A with Holland up at Sportsnet

    https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/qa-oilers-gm-holland-trade-deadline-approach-battle-alberta/

    Sounds like Nurse contract negotiations will go into summer.

  59. OriginalPouzar says:

    BarQu:
    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    Relying on Mike Smith for anything other than his hot streaks is a loser’s game. Picking up a back up at the deadline is the smart bet. Cathy Silverman pointed out that Smith is a hot and cold goalie, and when he’s cold he is really cold. Not someone you want on the team if the starter gets hurt or needs rest. I’m glad he’s playing well now, but he is going to start playing badly again (and if his last game is any indication, he’s already started).

    Overall, the goalie depth is poor in the org, despite a lot of time put into it, and a waiver pick up or trade for a surplus G is definitely a requirement if the Oil look to make the playoff.

    While roster limits expand after the trade deadline, to be eligible to play for the team in the playoff, a player needs to be on the NHL roster at the trade deadline. In actuality, the trade deadline isn’t even a trade deadline as players can be traded after, just not eligible for the playoffs on their new team.

    So, with that noted, are you suggesting that they acquire a goalie and have three on the roster at the deadline and only 20 skaters – limiting the number of skaters eligible (subject to emergency call-ups)?

    Or sending Smith down and having him ineligible for the playoffs?

    • pts2pndr says:

      Not meaning to be impertinent but isn’t the roster limit expanded after the trade deadline with the limit being set on how many players you are able to call up. Does that fluidity of numbers start after the regular season. Faint memory old memory or wishful thinking?

  60. OriginalPouzar says:

    AndyDufresne:
    “New Lowetide: With the Oilers’ minor-league goaltending not good enough, Ilya Konovalov might be the answer”

    Alexander Georgiev

    If we dont grab him the Maple Leafs will

    Smith only under contract for this year.

    PLEASE Holland. Multitask. Think of next year NOW. Sacrifice if youhave to.

    Also, Georgiev could be our Ken Dryden in this years playoff run.

    Konovalov could replace Koskinen when his contract expires.

    Then our tandum would be Georgiev/Konovalov. And this is coming from a guy who holds a grudge against the USSR

    #FosterHewitt

    #HENDERSON!!!!!!

    From accounts, acquisition cost on Georgiev is likely quite substantial.

  61. OriginalPouzar says:

    jp: So Persson is injured?

    I’d forgotten Desharnais was up and didn’t realize they’d played 7 D last game.

    Lowe-Bouchard
    Manning-Day
    Samorukov-Kulevich
    Desharnais

    Yes, Persson has been “banged up” and missed the last 3, I believe. All we know is “banged up”.

    With Marody hurt as well, they played 11F and 7D last game.

    If they do the same, clearly Kulevich and Deharnais come out for Matty and Willie.

    If Persson is back, I’m not sure what they’ll do (moreso if Persson and Marody are both ready).

    Manning likely comes out (he was awful on the weekend – usually a plus player at the AHL level though).

  62. Litke 94 says:

    I think some folks are being a little too hard on Smith and/or chalking up a lot of his recent play to luck. I’m not so sure about that. Since the Christmas break, Smith has played very, very well. The game against Boston is one that stands out.

    I don’t recall a lot of posts or lucky saves. He seems to be positioned well, making key saves at key times. but that all comes from the eye test, I have no idea what the advanced stats say. But from a visual perspective, I don’t think it was luck that carried the Oilers and Smith through that superb road trip.

    Also, not surprised at all that Kailer didn’t get sent down. Nothing in his recent games has shown a need to go back down to the AHL. Plus, if he gets injured, you’ve now destroyed your most productive line over the past 8 games. Way too big of a risk.

  63. Oilin4 says:

    Harpers Hair:
    Just listened to a fascinating interview with former NHL player Mike Johnson.

    When asked about the tight Pacific Division race, he suggested the standings will most likely be determined by goaltending (no surprise)

    He then ranked the goaltending tandems for Arizona, Vegas, Calgary, Edmonton and Vancouver.

    Suffice to say, as a few here are saying, immediately finding a reliable goaltender should be job one for the Oilers.

    Took a break from lowetide comments. I see nothing’s changed.

  64. Munny says:

    Bulging Twine:
    There’s a Q and A with Holland up at Sportsnet

    https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/qa-oilers-gm-holland-trade-deadline-approach-battle-alberta/

    Sounds like Nurse contract negotiations will go into summer.

    This article had me noticing another headline at Sportsnet…

    Goalies are Voodoo

    Should we collectively sue for copyright infringement, lol?

    • Bulging Twine says:

      I saw that phrase somewhere yesterday as well. LT has had a few, he’s an influential fellow.

    • Nit64 says:

      2014 that phrase shows up on this blog and then a jets and leafs blog. Not sure who started it. Initial search also shows references to goalies needing to practice voodo before that.

      • Bulging Twine says:

        ha this blog is so great. there aren’t many comments that someone won’t do the research on

  65. Reja says:

    ArmchairGM: I’d like either Holtby or Murray next year, depending on the cost.

    With 2 more years left on Kosh’s contract Holland has no other option or I should say very few, but to run 1A1B for around 6-7 million.

  66. Fuge Udvar says:

    OriginalPouzar: Kulevich and Deharnais

    Woody yup, lets not forget about Manson though – from accounts, he does a great job with the D.

    Manson is the only reason i want Broberg to come over next year. So much for going out and getting Yawney. Otherwise I would be fine with him staying in Sweden again à la Klefbom.

  67. Wilde says:

    Also, just a note, I’m probably going to fall behind a few times when there’s B2B Condors games and the upcoming 4 games in 7 days because I made the first NY resolution in my life

  68. ArmchairGM says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I’d avoid both.Holtby is declining significantly and there is a good chance that Murray was a mirage and this is the real him.

    I’m thinking Holtby’s decline is due to overwork, which wouldn’t happen in Edmonton. But mainly, I love his eyebrows as he stares down opponents.

    And Murray had a bad stretch of games November 12 – December 21 (7 of 8 starts were below .900), otherwise he’s been good. His last all situations Sv% in his past 5 games:

    .921 (W)
    .966 (W)
    .903 (W)
    .929 (W)
    .917 (W)
    Average: 2.25 GAA .925 Sv%

    Prior to that stretch he was fine, too: 9-3-1, 2.35 GAA .916 Sv%. I’d hope Holland is interested enough to find out the asset cost. He’s still young (not yet 26) and has a career Sv% of .915 in the regular season and .921 in the playoffs.

    • Woodguy v2.0 says:

      I like Goals Saved Above Average per 100 shots.

      Adds a bit of context to SV%.

      The publicly available ones aren’t as good as Steve Valiquette’s work at Clear Sight Analytics who really dig into how goals are created, but its better than SV% imo.

      Anything over 1/100 is good.

      Here are Holtby and Murray over the past 4 years:

      5v5
      GSAA/100
      Braden Holtby 16-17 1.19
      Braden Holtby 17-18 -0.55
      Braden Holtby 18-19 0.32
      Braden Holtby 19-20 -1.49

      Matt Murray 16-17 0.91
      Matt Murray 17-18 -1.09
      Matt Murray 18-19 1.22
      Matt Murray 19-20 -1.24

      Now PK
      GSAA/100
      Braden Holtby 16-17 -2.49
      Braden Holtby 17-18 0.70
      Braden Holtby 18-19 -3.79
      Braden Holtby 19-20 -0.48

      Matt Murray 16-17 0.84
      Matt Murray 17-18 -0.10
      Matt Murray 18-19 -0.83
      Matt Murray 19-20 1.46

      Holtby hasn’t been good since 16/17.

      Murray is up and down like a whore’s pantyhose. Not sure you can trust him.

      Doing better this year than I expected though.

  69. Reja says:

    Litke 94:
    I think some folks are being a little too hard on Smith and/or chalking up a lot of his recent play to luck. I’m not so sure about that. Since the Christmas break, Smith has played very, very well. The game against Boston is one that stands out.

    I don’t recall a lot of posts or lucky saves. He seems to be positioned well, making key saves at key times. but that all comes from the eye test, I have no idea what the advanced stats say. But from a visual perspective, I don’t think it was luck that carried the Oilers and Smith through that superb road trip.

    Also, not surprised at all that Kailer didn’t get sent down. Nothing in his recent games has shown a need to go back down to the AHL. Plus, if he gets injured, you’ve now destroyed your most productive line over the past 8 games. Way too big of a risk.

    Without Smith battling during the 4 games on the road trip and the two recent home dates the season is lost I know this the players know it. We we’re a fragile team before the road trip now we have our mojo back and Holland will be forced to buy and buy, yes 2 buys at the deadline.

    • Litke 94 says:

      Completely agree. If we have even an average road trip, then we would be sitting multiple points back right now, likely out of a playoff spot. Season may have been cooked right then and there.

      I was cursing Smith all December long, but can’t give him enough praise for his play so far in January.

  70. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    ArmchairGM: I’m thinking Holtby’s decline is due to overwork, which wouldn’t happen in Edmonton. But mainly, I love his eyebrows as he stares down opponents.

    And Murray had a bad stretch of games November 12 – December 21 (7 of 8 starts were below .900), otherwise he’s been good. His last all situations Sv% in his past 5 games:

    .921 (W)
    .966 (W)
    .903 (W)
    .929 (W)
    .917 (W)
    Average: 2.25 GAA .925 Sv%

    Prior to that stretch he was fine, too: 9-3-1, 2.35 GAA .916 Sv%. I’d hope Holland is interested enough to find out the asset cost. He’s still young (not yet 26) and has a career Sv% of .915 in the regular season and .921 in the playoffs.

    And he has won a cup (EDIT: 2 cups)

  71. Unfriendly Regional Arachnid Individual says:

    I’ve been a Zucker guy for years and I will continue to be a Zucker guy until the day the Flames acquire him because of course they will. If the Oilers pick him up by some miracle, I’ll reach spontaneous climax when I read the headline!

  72. Harpers Hair says:

    GordieHoweHatTrick: Neither is riding one goalie into the ground

    The marathon is over.

    It’s now a 32 (give or take) game sprint given how close the standings are.

    Many goaltenders are in the midst of a 10 day break and will have time to re-set and refresh for the stretch drive.

    If the backups are playing any of the second games of back to backs, the starters should be able to handle the load.

  73. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    Harpers Hair: The marathon is over.

    It’s now a 32 (give or take) game sprint given how close the standings are.

    Many goaltenders are in the midst of a 10 day break and will have time to re-set and refresh for the stretch drive.

    If the backups are playing any of the second games of back to backs, the starters should be able to handle the load.

    Lets see how they sprint after a marathon

  74. ArmchairGM says:

    Darth Tu:
    Do the Jets suddenly become a trade partner? We have a few D that they might be interested in…

    And then have them beat us out of the last WC spot? No thanks!

  75. blainer says:

    We are gonna need both goalies goin for the remainder of the season. That is an insane schedule we have and would be crazy to try and ride one guy.

    I expect there to be off games for both of them but Tipp needs them both fresh !!

  76. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Litke 94:
    I think some folks are being a little too hard on Smith and/or chalking up a lot of his recent play to luck. I’m not so sure about that. Since the Christmas break, Smith has played very, very well. The game against Boston is one that stands out.

    – He has now multiple years of being a pretty poor goalie when it comes to SV% on different teams, and compared to other goalies on his team. He’s not very good, but has battled hard

    – Re this stretch:

    – He was great v Boston:
    – awful vs Buffalo,
    – awful vs Leafs (but got points in both games along the QEW).
    – He wasn’t good vs the Flames:
    – everyone beats the Habs,
    – I could have been in net vs the Coyotes,
    – played a good game vs Nashville who struggles to score and if you put up 4 you win everytime.

    – He’s our other goalie for the rest of the season: We are winning games, so he looks fine

    – We need a Koski to be healthy, and Smith feast on the weaker teams. He had a real rough stretch. Glad team has won recently with him in net. Keep winning

  77. duct tape and foil says:

    Most of the trade targets are good but no way we can fit guys like Zucker or Saad in without losing Neal. More than $4 million in lost cap through buy-outs this year and next hurts.

    I like Kapanen as well and TML needs young, cheap, cost controlled dmen and forwards. So do we. So I’m not sure we have what they need beyond JP, JJ and Lagesson. JP has the potential to be a cheap replacement for Kapanen, JJ could help their PK and toughness, and Lagesson is a young, cheap NHL dman. Problem is that while JP might help their situation next year, he does nothing for them this year.

    Wood is a guy we might get for not that much. Athanasiou seems to have baggage and a questionable commitment to defense, but might be a return for JP and Khaira. Old Dutch knows him better than anyone. Kase is another guy. None do PK like Kapanen and Lehkonen.

    Sam Bennett would be a guy I could see taking a flier on in a problem for problem trade for JP, but as usual, trades with the Flames are tough. Never thought of Bennett but he really needs a change and probably a pretty good match for JP.

  78. leadfarmer says:

    Many of those goalies will play at least 25 games after the break, some of them 30 including some back to backs. The week off is not going to go far.

    • Harpers Hair says:

      I’ll track goaltender starts and results in the Pacific division after the all star break and see if this is as big a deal as you think it is.

  79. unca miltie says:

    Just arrived at Arena in Ontario. Bought a seat right behind the penalty box, 3 rows up. Last game I attended was highlighted with the Colby Cave K.O. Hope to see some Condor goals this afternoon.

  80. OriginalPouzar says:

    McSorley:
    Are we surprised Kailer did not get sent down for more games played?

    Not at all for me.

    He’s shown that he can clearly play and have an impact at the NHL level.

    The questions for me are (a) consistency (as with most youngsters) and (b) importantly, durability.

    If anything, I think the rest is more beneficial. The NHL and its schedule is a grind for all players let alone a rookie and one that is 160 pounds and throwing multiple hits per game.

    I’m not sure he his current tenacity is sustainable – I’m not sure that its not either.

    Either way, I’m cool with him resting and recovering along with the rest of the NHLers.

  81. ArmchairGM says:

    Stop me if you’ve heard this before: 25-year-old comes in New Years Eve to take over as starter for a non-playoff team and immediately goes on a tear: 8-2-0 in 10 starts since Dec. 31, sporting a 1.51 GAA and a league-leading .955 Sv%. Columbus now holds the 1st WC spot and is closing fast on the NYI for 3rd in the most difficult division in the league.

    Is Elvis Merzlikins this year’s Jordan Binnington?

  82. OriginalPouzar says:

    KingeOilredux:
    – They aren’t getting another goalie by the way (barring injury): Tipp loves Smith, he’s a good soldier and well liked by his teammates.

    – Holland isn’t the type of GM that flushes guys like that just because the fancy stats aren’t complementary.I wouldn’t either, as it would be a detriment to the atmosphere in the room.

    I wouldn’t call save percentage and goals against average “fancy stats”, although I do agree with the premise overall. I don’t think Holland is looking for a goalie.

  83. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Looks like they’re releasing some kind of documentary about McDavid’s knee rehab.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OC2QcX8ibb8

    Description of his injury is going to keep me up at night, no one better hit his knees again.

  84. Litke 94 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – He has now multiple years of being a pretty poor goalie when it comes to SV% on different teams, and compared to other goalies on his team. He’s not very good, but has battled hard

    – Re this stretch:

    – He was great v Boston:
    – awful vs Buffalo,
    – awful vs Leafs (but got points in both games along the QEW).
    – He wasn’t good vs the Flames:
    – everyone beats the Habs,
    – I could have been in net vs the Coyotes,
    – played a good game vs Nashville who struggles to score and if you put up 4 you win everytime.

    – He’s our other goalie for the rest of the season:We are winning games, so he looks fine

    – We need a Koski to be healthy, and Smith feast on the weaker teams.He had a real rough stretch.Glad team has won recently with him in net.Keep winning

    I’m not too sure that I agree with that assessment.

    BOS – Agreed. he was great.

    BUF – Disagree. He wasn’t awful. The general consensus coming out of that game was that he was the only reason we got a point. The team caved and let Buffalo back into a game they shouldn’t have been in. The tying goal in the third was a deflection off Sam Reinhart right in front of the net, and the winning goal came on a Jack Eichel penalty shot after the Oilers didn’t touch the puck even once in OT. Not an awful performance by any means.

    TOR – Again, I don’t think he was awful. The Spezza goal was a beautiful 3 way passing play that he had no chance on. Auston Matthews scored on a PP rocket. Engvall’s goal was a deflection and Gauthier’s was a breakaway. Add in the fact that Smith made some clutch early saves against Matthews and Tavares to keep the game 0-0 and 1-0. Smith stopped what he needed to and secured the win. Not awful at all.

    CGY – Smith didn’t start, Koskinen did.

    MTL – Canadiens have since beat the Flames, Flyers, Sens, and Knights. Everyone beats the Canadiens? Not quite. Smith stopped 35 of 37 and played great.

    ARI – Coyotes were terrible. Oilers didn’t need to rely on goaltending, but he certainly didn’t cost them.

    NSH – One goal was the lacrosse goal and the other a partial breakaway. Hard to fault him on either.

    I think we can agree that relying on Smith too much is dangerous, but I think that that issue can be mutually exclusive from overwriting his terrific play as of late. He’s been winning games while providing steady play in the crease. Hasn’t let in many weak goals, as demonstrated above.

    No need to be unfair to a player that has really stepped up his game as of late and provided his team a chance to win in all games since Jan 2.

  85. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    Litke 94:

    CGY – Smith didn’t start, Koskinen did.

    – LOL Kinger! Well Koski wasn’t good there then!

    – Besides the great Boston game, he hasn’t play great, or we just scored a lot more

    – I dont’ think he stepped up his game: I think the team played better

  86. OriginalPouzar says:

    KingerOilredux:
    – Russell has been from the moment he was signed, one of the best 4-5 D on our team, for entire seasons.He has missed very few games, played a variety of roles, off-wing, chips in a few points on 5×5 (more than some other D), not great linemates etc.

    – He was a “bridge” for the draft and development, brought continuity, stability and depth,showed up every game and also happens to be a great mentor and guy.

    – Next season, after his bonus is paid, he costs $1.5MM: certainly there are teams that are going to value that contract (even with the $4MM Cap hit)

    – The terms of the contract: it was clear what the intent was.Russell has never been a problem in terms of precluding other players contracts (Sek being on IR for 2 seasons basically really hurt for instance).I never get why his contract is pointed to as a “failing” by the org

    – Sure there was the Oiler signing premia, the first D that was on our team that was real and we could re-up, less term we hope for, etc, and you wish he had more impact: but our D needed him big time.When the Sek’s and Klefs and Larrson’s were injured, he played higher up than he ought to have ideally.Now he is playing less, with the 4rth liners mostly and rookie partner on his off-wing

    – He’s delivered as advertised, and now that the Draft and Develops are surpassing him, on a timeline that meets the declining value of the structure of his contract: he’s easily moved.Seemed so clear to me at signing, and as he enters his last part of contract: it worked out as planned IMO

    I can’t disagree with most of this. Russell has been asked to do alot over his Oiler career – often to do things higher than his current level of abilities – up the lineup, up the lineup on the wrong side, tough minutes, etc.

    I can’t disagree that he’s, for the most part, provided decent value for his contract – that’s more of a function of “organizational depth” over the years than the player being a legit 2nd liner (as he’s paid) but it is what it is.

    He’s played the role throughout much of his Oiler career and, for all his warts, he’s had his ups (to go with his downs) and treaded water.

    While Sekera was the ultimate polisher, lets not forget he played 1B minutes pretty much all year in the playoff season. Klef/Larsson and Sekera/Russell basically split the tough minutes.

    With that said, as far as being tradeable, the issue is the NTC which, while less limited, takes away half the league next off-season. If Kris really wants to dig in, he can be quite strategic in determining which teams wouldn’t have any interest and producing his list accordingly.

    Kris has been a great solider, but we need that $4M of cap room next off-season – there may be a gap between him and Lagesson or Jones but the $3M plus difference in cap hit is worth it, I think, and important.

  87. Reja says:

    Litke 94: I’m not too sure that I agree with that assessment.

    BOS – Agreed. he was great.

    BUF – Disagree. He wasn’t awful. The general consensus coming out of that game was that he was the only reason we got a point. The team caved and let Buffalo back into a game they shouldn’t have been in. The tying goal in the third was a deflection off Sam Reinhart right in front of the net, and the winning goal came on a Jack Eichel penalty shot after the Oilers didn’t touch the puck even once in OT. Not an awful performance by any means.

    TOR – Again, I don’t think he was awful. The Spezza goal was a beautiful 3 way passing play that he had no chance on. Auston Matthews scored on a PP rocket. Engvall’s goal was a deflection and Gauthier’s was a breakaway. Add in the fact that Smith made some clutch early saves against Matthews and Tavares to keep the game 0-0 and 1-0. Smith stopped what he needed to and secured the win. Not awful at all.

    CGY – Smith didn’t start, Koskinen did.

    MTL – Canadiens have since beat the Flames, Flyers, Sens, and Knights. Everyone beats the Canadiens? Not quite. Smith stopped 35 of 37 and played great.

    ARI – Coyotes were terrible. Oilers didn’t need to rely on goaltending, but he certainly didn’t cost them.

    NSH – One goal was the lacrosse goal and the other a partial breakaway. Hard to fault him on either.

    I think we can agree that relying on Smith too much is dangerous, but I think that that issue can be mutually exclusive from overwriting his terrific play as of late. He’s been winning games while providing steady play in the crease. Hasn’t let in many weak goals, as demonstrated above.

    No need to be unfair to a player that has really stepped up his game as of late and provided his team a chance to win in all games since Jan 2.

    Smith is the biggest reason we’re back in the race. He definitely deserves the start against the Flames, if healthy who says he can’t go on a streak for the rest of the year. Save percentage can be dicey who cares if a goaltender lets in a couple late when your down or up a bunch. It’s the timing of saves even the Yotes game Smith made a couple of dandy saves when it was 1-0 that might have turned the momentum 360

  88. godot10 says:

    PennersPancakes: I am unsure about this and wont pretend to be an expert but in the case of a lockout players get to keep their signing bonus so maybe they can if they retire?

    Youd think there would be a clause but Ive never seen the details of an NHL contract to be honest.

    In a lockout, the player is available to work, but the owner is preventing him from working. And in the case of a strike, the NHLPA is a certified collective bargaining unit. Both are totally different cases than signing a contract with a signing bonus and then not showing up for work.

  89. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    Bulging Twine:
    Thank you that is helpful.It adds to the picture.

    The reason I chose the straight cumulative count stats was that the small sample size of say a RNH with McDavid seemed to be exaggerated in the per 60 rates.He is 3 GF and 1 GA with McDavid.If they get scored on once more that rate sure changes in a hurry. Where as the numbers for Kassian and Draisattl are more trustworthy.

    The hard counts felt a little more concrete to me.

    t’s good to have those TOI numbers next to the stats to temper or give more info to the stats stated.

    All good. Your preliminary data suggest:
    Nygaard-McYay-Kass or Archi

    could be cooking with gas…
    Particularly if the stone hands of Nyg continue to get a little more buttery…
    That line would be SO FAST, opposing D would be shitting themselves. Seriously it would be fun to watch for a few periods to see what happens…

    Then (just for shits and giggles)…
    Benson*-Drai-KY
    Neal-RNH-Kass or Archi

    Sheah-Haas-Chia

    *IF Benson (or Trade Deadline acquisition) could keep the love going on L2 in Nuge’s absence, this could be a rather formidable group of forwards for a playoff run…yes I know, asking Drai to centre two rookies is a big ask, but they seem to be the responsible type…could we see it for a few games???

    • Bulging Twine says:

      Man, if Benson pans out this season…what a plus that will be. Really curious and hopeful to see how he fits.

  90. godot10 says:

    Woodguy v2.0: I’d avoid both.Holtby is declining significantly and there is a good chance that Murray was a mirage and this is the real him.

    I think Murray was real, but injuries…

    It is difficult to bluff your way to two cups.

  91. godot10 says:

    Fuge Udvar: Manson is the only reason i want Broberg to come over next year. So much for going out and getting Yawney. Otherwise I would be fine with him staying in Sweden again à la Klefbom.

    I’d rather Broberg stay in Sweden one more year. He will be nineteen. Let him stay at “home”. Skelleftea has a good program.

  92. ArmchairGM says:

    This must have been reported here (and I missed it) but Puljujarvi just had a 4-point game a couple of days ago: 1 goal, 3 assists and 8 shots, +2 in 22:27. He’s now 38, 16-21-37 +20 for the season.

    Oilers prospect LD Markus Niemeläinen was -3 (3 shots) in 21:51 for the opposition.

  93. LadiesloveSmid says:

    Oula Palve 51P in 53GP in the SM Liiga last year, 8P in 37 AHL GP this year.

    JP’s teammate Juho Lammikko has 35P in 38GP after scoring 6P in 40GP for FLA last season (.5PPG in AHL).

    Should JP be tearing the league apart? Every player’s different but hard to say if this season is an up arrow for Jesse

  94. unca miltie says:

    I see both Benning and Langeson on the ice for warm up

  95. ArmchairGM says:

    Litke 94: MTL – Canadiens have since beat the Flames, Flyers, Sens, and Knights. Everyone beats the Canadiens? Not quite. Smith stopped 35 of 37 and played great.

    Carey Price is suddenly a top-10 goalie again.

    Hockey: Mostly Goalie.

    • Darth Tu says:

      I follow that Tierney fellow for his hockey charts. Montreal seem to be waaaaay better stat wise than their record, and that’s with all those injuries. I almost feel like putting a sneaky Woodguy on them to make the playoffs*

      *if Gallagher and Drouin both come back after the All Star Break.

  96. ArmchairGM says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – LOL Kinger!Well Koski wasn’t good there then!

    – Besides the great Boston game, he hasn’t play great, or we just scored a lot more

    – I dont’ think he stepped up his game: I think the team played better

    Both, actually. Here’s Smith’s Sv% splits this season:

    Oct: .919 (8 starts)
    Nov: .895 (7)
    Dec: .828 (3)
    Jan: .924 (6)

    He certainly has stepped up his game.

  97. godot10 says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Looks like they’re releasing some kind of documentary about McDavid’s knee rehab.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OC2QcX8ibb8

    Description of his injury is going to keep me up at night, no one better hit his knees again.

    Connor goes all Mario Draghi! -)

  98. unca miltie says:

    First touch Bouchard made a great pass. Intensity already seems much higher than last time I saw him

  99. OriginalPouzar says:

    For anyone wanting to watch the Condors’, reminder that its early, like on now – I didn’t realize that until right now.

    Skinner gets the start.

    Lagesson and Benning in the lineup – so great to see Matty on the ice.

    Logan Day is playing up at wing – no Marody I assume but just tuned in so missed the pre-game.

  100. OriginalPouzar says:

    Wilde:
    I’m interested to see how Benning does against lesser competition. Remember he played only a handful of games before coming up and staying up

    The only thing that I want to see with Matty is for him to be comfortable and not tentative to play his game or engage physically – those things are part of his game.

    Benning is an NHL d-man and a legit every day higher end 3RD that can likely even move up for periods of time – he would dominate the AHL over 82 games I’m sure.

    I just want him to get comfortable back on the ice and get the tentativeness out of his game – of course, get his timing and up to game speed as well but that will come we know that.

    • pts2pndr says:

      I just want him to stay healthy. Please no more head shots! He could be the poster boyfor why the NHL had to get head shots out of the game.

  101. Fuge Udvar says:

    Huh Lance Bouma plays for the Reign

  102. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bouchard’s transition of the puck through the neutral zone via carry along with zone entry has become a multi-period occurrence – he’s lugging that puck (with speed, power and purpose) consistently.

  103. Litke 94 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:

    – I dont’ think he stepped up his game: I think the team played better

    I do agree that the team has played a ton better since January. That Calgary game kicked them in the ass and got them in gear.

  104. Bulging Twine says:

    pts2pndr:
    You can’t really compare basketball and hockey re their top players. In basketball the top player can many times play 80% of the game. In hockey this is not possible. The reality in hockey is that you need two scoring lines as a minimum to be successful. This will require balancing the personnel available in most cases.

    Yes, to be more clear, I am not suggesting loading up on one line, there are 3 other lines to consider. What I am suggesting is to view McDavid’s linemates from a McDavid centric world view. If there are players that McDavid performs even better with, value those players. Aside from special teams minutes, the minutes that McDavid is on the ice are your best chance to win the game.

    • Bulging Twine says:

      Some great statesman once said about wingers, “ask not what McDavid can do for you, ask what you can do for McDavid”.

  105. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bulging Twine:
    There’s a Q and A with Holland up at Sportsnet

    https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/qa-oilers-gm-holland-trade-deadline-approach-battle-alberta/

    Sounds like Nurse contract negotiations will go into summer.

    I’m hopeful they don’t go in to the fall but think they very well might.

  106. unca miltie says:

    Yikes, two penalties and two quick goals against. Five on five pretty even imo. Saw Lowe spear a guy after a hard hit into the boards.

  107. OriginalPouzar says:

    pts2pndr:
    Not meaning to be impertinent but isn’t the roster limit expanded after the trade deadline with the limit being set on how many players you are able to call up. Does that fluidity of numbers start after the regular season. Faint memory old memory or wishful thinking?

    You are correct about expanded rosters and limited call-ups, however, the player needs to be on the roster at the set time (which is the trade deadline) in order to be eligible for the playoffs.

    The trade deadline isn’t even a deadline for trades as trades can be made after – its really a deadline for having players eligible for the playoffs on your team.

  108. jeetz says:

    Jethro Tull,

    I disagree, I think you have to send a message that the Oilers will not negotiate with disgruntled players when they are under the team’s control. Players take full advantage of the system when they have control later on as is their full right. They have to earn that though.

  109. OriginalPouzar says:

    Reja: Without Smith battling during the 4 games on the road trip and the two recent home dates the season is lost I know this the players know it. We we’re a fragile team before the road trip now we have our mojo back and Holland will be forced to buy and buy, yes 2 buys at the deadline.

    Smith has been a solid part of the recent 6-1-1 stretch but the Oilers have averaged almost 5 goals per game in those 8 games – can’t agree with him being a reason the season hasn’t fallen apart in the recent stretch – the team has played very well for the most part, even better than October – contributions throughout the lineup, consistently.

  110. OriginalPouzar says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – LOL Kinger!Well Koski wasn’t good there then!

    – Besides the great Boston game, he hasn’t play great, or we just scored a lot more

    – I dont’ think he stepped up his game: I think the team played better

    Honest question, did you read the detailed responses regarding his play?

    I have an awful memory and can’t recall each game’s goalie performance but what I read seems to line up with my mind.

    In particular, I remember the MTL game and Smith being a HUGE part of that game – one of the games where the team relied on tending to keep them in it for part.

  111. OriginalPouzar says:

    Benning just through a huge hit on Anderson-Dolan – great to see – great sign.

  112. unca miltie says:

    Benning with a couple hits. Head must be ok

  113. unca miltie says:

    Manning got kicked out. Imama came to the box saying I heard that. He’s black so manning must have said something

  114. OriginalPouzar says:

    Bulging Twine:
    Like last time.Signed Sept 17.Missed two days of camp.

    Yup – there is a history of tough negotiating and waiting it out – and this contract will be for substantially bigger dollars and years.

  115. oilsnc79 says:

    Sex
    OriginalPouzar,

    Anyone in lowetide land know of any free feeds of the condors game?

    • BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

      Haven’t looked but onhockey dot tv is usually good for obscure market games.

  116. jp says:

    Reja: Smith is the biggest reason we’re back in the race.

    He’s also the biggest reason we fell out of the race.

    (to be fair he’s ALSO a big part of the team starting the team like a house on fire).

    But overall he’s been quite mediocre and has lost the team as many as he’s won them.

    I’m not a Smith hater but I do find it a bit concerning that Tippett seems to prefer Smith when all else seems equal (or even tilted somewhat towards Koskinen).

  117. OriginalPouzar says:

    Currie left the game but he came back – thank goodness – that would have been a big loss for this team.

    Manning ejected for abuse of an official.

    Condors have started to take over the game – Cal Petterson the best player on the ice in the 2nd period.

    Condors could have 3-4 goals but Petterson shutting the door.’

    Remains 2-0 Reign with a few left in the second.

  118. unca miltie says:

    I have to agree with LT’s athletic article on Bouchard. He is playing much harder consistently. Saw one soft play on the power play. That is it. Great with the puck. These Reign play like the kings. Hard hockey.

  119. Lowetide says:

    Skinner has stopped 20 of 22, Reign have a pair of PP goals. So, goalie is good but the offence doesn’t work. Benning with the hammer and Manning thrown out of the game. Condors are askew.

  120. Scungilli Slushy says:

    LadiesloveSmid:
    Looks like they’re releasing some kind of documentary about McDavid’s knee rehab.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OC2QcX8ibb8

    Description of his injury is going to keep me up at night, no one better hit his knees again.

    I was immediately mad at Gio again.

    I had let it fade but to me players that can’t not seriously injure others repeatedly lose my respect.

    The Dirty Turtles.

    Kassian’s re-up is a forgone conclusion, I hope it doesn’t hurt too bad.

    • godot10 says:

      Two games and Kassian has done eff all about Giordano. Why are the Oilers going pay him?

      • BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

        Maybe there’s a belief, right or wrong, behind closed doors that Gio’s slewfoot was unintentional.

        Same as the one that ruined Davidson. Which alone should have merited a swift response and didn’t. That’s also on Lucic, JJ, Nurse and Maroon as much as Kassian.

  121. russ99 says:

    Darth Tu:
    I agree.I think we need a Holland/Jesse chat during the All Star Break.If Jesse still wants out and is unwilling to come back to camp in the summer to give it another shot let’s start shopping him.

    As you say, draft time is probably the best time to move him on, his value will be at it’s highest.

    It’s almost a shame that Seattle aren’t coming into the league next year – you’d think if Jesse was left unprotected they might take a punt on him.

    Bit of a late reply.

    IMO if Jesse wants to play in the NHL, he should change his representation. Nobody is going to give Holland what he wants if dealing with Lehto and playing time promises/NHL top six demands is part of the deal.

    Getting a new rep could also give Jesse a dose of reality where his is at this point in his career.

    I fear if we go down this route another year, he’ll just stay in Finland 2 more seasons until he’s a UFA.

    • Darth Tu says:

      It might be a way to go. It would certainly open up new avenues for Jesse. He might have to issue some sort of an apology/willingness to play type statement and come back for camp/preaseason with the Oil before next season.

      I agree with some of the statements here that a lot of GMs are probably unwilling to move anything even remotely substantial for him until they see evidence that he’s ready to play ball and work for a team. I don’t mean this in the Yakupov “get your work boots on” sense, just that he’s willing to actually show up and do his best.

      I still feel like a lot of this situation is on the Oilers too.

    • CallighenMan says:

      He’s not a UFA in two years.

  122. OriginalPouzar says:

    oilsnc79:
    Sex
    OriginalPouzar,

    Anyone in lowetide land know of any free feeds of the condors game?

    Not me, I pay for AHL TV.

    You can watch all Condors’ games for $70 and its likely about half that for the rest of the season (they just did their mid-season price drop).

    USD.

  123. OriginalPouzar says:

    jp: He’s also the biggest reason we fell out of the race.

    (to be fair he’s ALSO a big part of the team starting the team like a house on fire).

    But overall he’s been quite mediocre and has lost the team as many as he’s won them.

    I’m not a Smith hater but I do find it a bit concerning that Tippett seems to prefer Smith when all else seems equal (or even tilted somewhat towards Koskinen).

    Can’t disagree but I wanted to respond to your last statement.

    I think that was indeed the case at the start of the year (Tip favoring Smith over Koski) but, in his defence, he did move away from that in December and has only changed back due to performance and wins, in my opinion.

    • Darth Tu says:

      Apart from illness, I still think that Koskinen might have aggravated something in that NY game where he all of sudden turned into the holey goalie when we were 6-1 up. Another reason Smith probably has the green light to go for now. Coupled with when Koskinen finally got back in the crease he looked less than confident.

  124. unca miltie says:

    I was just thinking that not seen much of Benson and he had a great shift. Granlund has some skill.. com does need a goal soon.

  125. OriginalPouzar says:

    Lowetide:
    Skinner has stopped 20 of 22, Reign have a pair of PP goals. So, goalie is good but the offence doesn’t work. Benning with the hammer and Manning thrown out of the game. Condors are askew.

    Petersson is also out of his mind right now in my opinion – although the Condors have made him look like Brodeur a few times.

  126. OriginalPouzar says:

    BornInAGretzkyJersey:
    7D including Day at fwd, or Day plus 7 defensemen?

    7 including Day – who is now playing D with Manning ejected.

  127. pts2pndr says:

    jp: He’s also the biggest reason we fell out of the race.

    (to be fair he’s ALSO a big part of the team starting the team like a house on fire).

    But overall he’s been quite mediocre and has lost the team as many as he’s won them.

    I’m not a Smith hater but I do find it a bit concerning that Tippett seems to prefer Smith when all else seems equal (or even tilted somewhat towards Koskinen).

    There are goal tenders that teams play harder for. By my observation Smith is one of those.

  128. OriginalPouzar says:

    Condors are just dominating the third – continuation of the second – can’t solve Petersson though…..

  129. Harpers Hair says:

    GordieHoweHatTrick: Lets see how they sprint after a marathon

    I’ll track the Pacific goaltender starts and results after the all star break and see if it’s as big a deal as you think.

    • BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

      Woodguy seems to believe through data he’s combed that there’s a direct correlation between % of starts by the #1 goalie and playoff success (or lack thereof).

      So yes. Track that, would you? It would be good to have an outside source of data in the aggregate to draw reliable conclusions from going forward.

  130. Nit64 says:

    russ99: Bit of a late reply.

    IMO if Jesse wants to play in the NHL, he should change his representation. Nobody is going to give Holland what he wants if dealing with Lehto and playing time promises/NHL top six demands is part of the deal.

    Getting a new rep could also give Jesse a dose of reality where his is at this point in his career.

    I fear if we go down this route another year, he’ll just stay in Finland 2 more seasons until he’s a UFA.

    Seattle can draft him after one more 🙂

  131. jp says:

    pts2pndr: There are goal tenders that teams play harder for. By my observation Smith is one of those.

    What’s the basis for this?

    Even after this hot streak Koskinen is 14-9-2 and Smith is 12-9-3 (in 25 and 24 starts).

    Koskinen has the better GAA, better SV% and better record, but the team plays harder for Smith?

    • pts2pndr says:

      I have been around for a long time. Both in junior and juvenile hockey while as a player there were goalies the team would rally around and play harder for. Some things just are.You can call it chemistry,team cohesiveness, all I know is that it happens. Not all things are not quantifiable.

  132. unca miltie says:

    Tough penalty with 3:31 left, doesn’t look good

  133. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    blainer:
    We are gonna need both goalies goin for the remainder of the season. That is an insane schedule we have and would be crazy to try and ride one guy.

    I expect there to be off games for both of them but Tipp needs them both fresh !!

    From Jan 31st to March 31st EDM has 31 games in 60 days. That’s crazy.

    Will need both goalies for sure.

  134. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    pts2pndr: There are goal tenders that teams play harder for. By my observation Smith is one of those.

    Jason Strudwick was asked about that the other day.

    He said in all his AHL and NHL time he never saw that actually being true.

    • pts2pndr says:

      Many may see not all are willing to believe.

    • v4ance says:

      I’d say that it could be true for CHL or midget or beer leagues where certain players would play harder for one goalie over another. Personal bonds might matter more than winning.

      Once you get to the AHL/NHL, if a coach sees you putting in less than 100% for one goalie over another, those coaches will beat that out of you. It’s just too competitive to allow anyone to slack off for any reason in pro leagues. In the AHL and NHL, players learn that it’s just a business. You may not like your goalie personally but if you miss a check or two, you’re gonna get stapled to the bench PDQ.

      I Imagine it’s the same in a fighting army. You may not like the guy next to you on the line but you don’t slack off no matter what because both your butts are dead if you don’t give 100%.

  135. jp says:

    OriginalPouzar: Can’t disagree but I wanted to respond to your last statement.

    I think that was indeed the case at the start of the year (Tip favoring Smith over Koski) but, in his defence, he did move away from that in December and has only changed back due to performance and wins, in my opinion.

    Maybe. But I’m not really convinced.

    Smith had a 2 month stretch (between Nov 2nd to Jan 2nd) where he only managed a 2 wins and a .900 SV% twice (12 appearances, 10 starts). Just putrid.

    Koskinen was generally good during that time until just before Christmas. Then he had 4 straight starts under .900 (2-2-0 record from Dec. 21-31).

    Smith got the W vs Buffalo on Jan 2nd with a .885 SV% and basically got the net back. Koskinen got 1 start (L to Calgary, .879 SV%) to Smith’s 5 since then.

    Given how bad Smith was for 2 months and how short (and not truly terrible) Koskinsn’s bad streak since then has been I feel like this is still the Tippett bias showing itself. IMO.

  136. godot10 says:

    OriginalPouzar: I’m hopeful they don’t go in to the fall but think they very well might.

    Nurse will go to arbitration, and get market value that way if Holland doesn’t pay him. Nurse has the even strength counting numbers, the ice time, durability, and he is playing top four with a rookie.

  137. unca miltie says:

    Benning throwing punches

  138. hunter1909 says:

    Watching Panthers 1-0 on the Wild lol what futility on ice!

    Edmonton Oilers with McDavid+Draisaitl are worth watching every time they’re on the ice. Draisaitl always was a heady passer once he even made a pass that Yakupov could get.

  139. hunter1909 says:

    godot10: Nurse will go to arbitration, and get market value that way if Holland doesn’t pay him.Nurse has the even strength counting numbers, the ice time, durability, and he is playing top four with a rookie.

    Great young player but not yet worth top money by a long shot and unless he’s greedy which I seriously doubt given the fact he knows he’s getting paid one way or another and he knows he can stay with McDavid and what’s better than that?

  140. duct tape and foil says:

    The Oiler could still pay, and if he decided to retire, who says Russell has to pay the Oilers back if they don’t care? Kind of a retirement bonus.

    godot10: In a lockout, the player is available to work, but the owner is preventing him from working.And in the case of a strike, the NHLPA is a certified collective bargaining unit.Both are totally different cases than signing a contract with a signing bonus and then not showing up for work.

  141. godot10 says:

    hunter1909: Great young player but not yet worth top money by a long shot and unless he’s greedy which I seriously doubt given the fact he knows he’s getting paid one way or another and he knows he can stay with McDavid and what’s better than that?

    Pete left Kenny with no leverage. Nurse should have been locked up two years ago. Now he can play the arbitration game. He doesn’t have to settle, and he has Morrissey as a comparable.

  142. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    godot10: Pete left Kenny with no leverage.Nurse should have been locked up two years ago.Now he can play the arbitration game.He doesn’t have to settle, and he has Morrissey as a comparable.

    – what should he have been offered two years ago ?

    – Nurse had many detractors a few years ago. He has improved a lot. People would have gone apeshit if he signed the klef deal. Amd that would have been a crazy thing to do at that time.

    • Genjutsu says:

      Disagree but I’ve been a huge Nurse fan since watching him live at the world Junior championships in Montreal.

      I think it’s pretty clear when you have a player you know will be a long term solution in the top 6 or top 4 bridge deals lead to cap problem later on.

    • BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

      If it were the Klefbom deal ($4.167M) nobody would have batted an eyelash.

      Two years ago it was $5.5M and people were losing their minds. Ignoring the fact that 3D like Sekera or Petry were getting $5.5M in 2015 on the open market.

      Huge fail by ChiaPete signing Koskinen to an inflated contract — early — when Mikko had no track record. Another of many handcuffs he left as his legacy.

  143. OriginalPouzar says:

    godot10: Pete left Kenny with no leverage.Nurse should have been locked up two years ago.Now he can play the arbitration game.He doesn’t have to settle, and he has Morrissey as a comparable.

    I think most would be fine with the Morrissey contract for Nurse – issue is he potentially digging in for a higher AAV, as often speculated.

    He won’t get the Morrissey contract in arbitration given the term would be 6-7 years less.

  144. jp says:

    OriginalPouzar: I’m hopeful they don’t go in to the fall but think they very well might.

    Yeah I’m a little concerned with Holland’s comment too. Sounds like they aren’t in the same ball park currently.

  145. OriginalPouzar says:

    jp: Yeah I’m a little concerned with Holland’s comment too. Sounds like they aren’t in the same ball park currently.

    Holland’s comments don’t really concern me as he seems to think it will get done and I don’t get the vibe that it means they are far apart, simply that Holland believe there is lots of time b/c of his RFA status and is concentrating on more pressing matters like Kassian given his UFA status and pre-deadline pre (knowledge of Kass’ desires are connected to the deadline pre as well).

    I’m not sure they’ve really started negotiations at any high level with Nurse yet and just have a sense Darnell is going to “grind” for $7M plus – not saying he’ll get it though – hence why it could go long.

  146. Ryan says:

    Bulging Twine:
    5×5 GF – GA while playing without McDavid:

    Yamamoto +5
    Kassian +1
    Chiasson even
    Granlund even
    RNH even
    Haas -1
    Russell -1
    Draisattl -3
    Nygard -5
    Gagner -6
    Neal -10
    Sheahan -11
    Khaira -15
    Archibald -16

    I didn’t know that the lights were still on over at Coppernblue.

    Pretty good hot takes on the looming Kassian contract.

    https://www.coppernblue.com/2020/1/20/21073925/edmonton-oilers-news-hot-links-monday-january-20-mcdavid-draisaitl-nugent-hopkins-yamamoto-klefbom

    “…Especially if the deal I sign FORCES the team to play me with McDavid to have any chance to cover the bet.”

    “ nothing will justify that contract when it is signed… another classic ’can’t trade him after the ink dries’ Oiler’s contract!

    Posted by Czechboy”

    • jtblack says:

      Keep the Copper n Blue hot takes at Copper n Blue

      • Ryan says:

        There were a lot of good points, some of which I’ve previously mentioned here. I did notice after the fact that there a few way offside posts in the comments section.

        Kassian had four points playing in the bottom six in the first half of last season. He was healthy scratched too. He was given permission to talk to other teams about a trade.

        The odds of a 29-year-old Kassian playing in the Oilers top six for the next four years are not good.

        He doesn’t kill penalties, so that doesn’t lend itself to a utility role in the bottom six. Also, he doesn’t play on the power play, so when he’s not playing with McDavid or in the top six, there won’t be anything to hide how bad his contract will look.

        Next year we have $2.5 m on the books for the Sekera buyout. We still have $1.33m cap hit for the Pouliot buyout too.

        Also, we have three more years left at $4.5 m cap for a starting goalie with a .906 career save percentage, lol.

        We don’t have $3.5 + to play an aging third/ fourth liner given the McDavid push.

  147. Lowetide says:

    unca miltie:
    Benning throwing punches

    I enjoyed your coverage very much. Thanks, sir.

    • unca miltie says:

      Thank you, I appreciate all you do. I just happened to be lucky enough to attend the game. I really enjoyed the game even if the result was not what I had hoped for. Lots of action for both goalies, much more hitting than most NHL games. I am back in the Coachella valley and back to golfing in the morning.

  148. Oz says:

    unca miltie,

    Only watched the third period. Condors dominated but Reign goalie was outstanding. Benning went back into the scrum a second time when I thought he should have skated away given the time left in the period.

  149. godot10 says:

    OriginalPouzar: Holland’s comments don’t really concern me as he seems to think it will get done and I don’t get the vibe that it means they are far apart, simply that Holland believe there is lots of time b/c of his RFA status and is concentrating on more pressing matters like Kassian given his UFA status and pre-deadline pre (knowledge of Kass’ desires are connected to the deadline pre as well).

    I’m not sure they’ve really started negotiations at any high level with Nurse yet and just have a sense Darnell is going to “grind” for $7M plus – not saying he’ll get it though – hence why it could go long.

    Arbitration tends to be over by the end of July. nurse will have a contract one way or another by early August.

    • BornInAGretzkyJersey says:

      Have you posted what you think is a fair contract for Nurse?

      I know you’re in the ‘2015-era #3D + inflation’ camp, but what would you like to see Nurse signed for, term and AAV? What do you think is reasonable, and realistic?

      • godot10 says:

        8 years $6.5 million

        I think he can get $5 million in arbitration.

        • jp says:

          Do you think Holland would hesitate to sign that contract? My guess is the extension would be done already if Nurse were willing to accept that.

          Do you think that’s a “fair” deal? Or do you think it’s one Nurse’s camp would accept?

  150. jp says:

    OriginalPouzar: Holland’s comments don’t really concern me

    On re-reading his comments your take seems fair.

  151. jp says:

    pts2pndr:
    I have been around for a long time. Both in junior and juvenile hockey while as a player there were goalies the team would rally around and play harder for. Some things just are.You can call it chemistry,team cohesiveness, all I know is that it happens. Not all things are not quantifiable.

    Yeah I’m not sure. My rationale is that if the team plays better/harder for Smith then you’d think he’d have better results than Koskinen. But instead it’s the opposite (GAA, SV% and a worse record).

    The only ways that could happen are: 1) The team does not play better for Smith or 2) Smith himself has played badly enough that he gives it all back and more.

    That said, I had a look at the team performance with each goalie in net and most of the results are better with Smith vs Koskinen (this is all situations). A caveat here is we don’t know if one or the other goalie has faced different quality of opposition to this point, but:

    Koskinen
    CF% 46.5
    SF% 47.2
    GF% 50.7
    xGF% 48.9
    SCF% 48.4

    Smith
    CF% 48.2
    SF% 48.4
    GF% 50.7
    xGF% 51.8
    SCF% 49.6

    (I’m starting to wonder about xGF% since Smith’s is higher than any other number that’s supposed to feed into it, including HDCF%)

    Anyway, it seems the team has performed a bit better with Smith in net (again, we don’t know if there might be a difference in competition). But the GF% is identical, so Smith has let in more of the chances he’s faced.

    I’m still not convinced this is anything other than noise, but I’ll definitely admit there could be something to what you’re seeing.

    • Ryan says:

      Yeah, but what do you do next season when Smith is retired and you’re paying Koskinen $4.5 m for three more years for an aging career .906 goalie?

  152. Side says:

    godot10:
    Two games and Kassian has done eff all about Giordano.Why are the Oilers going pay him?

    When you have a narrative to push you really love to ignore anything that shakes your narrative.

    https://calgarysun.com/sports/hockey/nhl/calgary-flames/giordano-shows-class-in-reaching-out-to-mcdavid-after-scary-play-last-spring

    Sorry, why would Kassian go after Giordano again?

    • godot10 says:

      Tkachuk has made Kassian impotent. Tkachuk suckered Kassian into a full blown tilt and into shooting off his big mouth, and now any action by Kassian against any Flame will be under the leagues microscope! Zack Kassian. Tkachuk’s eunuch.

      And Giordano is free to prey again on McDavid.

  153. godot10 says:

    Side: When you have a narrative to push you really love to ignore anything that shakes your narrative.

    https://calgarysun.com/sports/hockey/nhl/calgary-flames/giordano-shows-class-in-reaching-out-to-mcdavid-after-scary-play-last-spring

    Sorry, why would Kassian go after Giordano again?

    Giordano’s trip was accidentally on purpose and sneaky dirty. The trip was not his first “rodeo”. I don’t believe his apologies or concern are sincere. It was for show. Some people were apparently born yesterday.

  154. Scungilli Slushy says:

    godot10: Pete left Kenny with no leverage.Nurse should have been locked up two years ago.Now he can play the arbitration game.He doesn’t have to settle, and he has Morrissey as a comparable.

    I’d rather bridge talent if at all possible.

    There is a lower cap hit signing them long term straight out of ELC, but it’s kicking the can down the road.

    Because it means you have to choose to move them at peak, let them walk, try a deadline deal and hope you get enough, or give them the biggie and buy decline.

    Connor is different, but for others as a GM is want the option to cash players with rep at the end of their prime with some term left if I wanted to.

    All teams in any sport should want to be perennial contenders. If they aren’t it’s a lack of money or bad decisions. The NHL doesn’t have the money problem as much with the cap.

    It’s trading some cap for good players to retain the ability to make good decisions that prolong success.

    Paying good players isn’t what kills cap. Bottoming out is hard on fans and avoidable IMO.

  155. Genjutsu says:

    godot10:
    Brown
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebE8LTbe4GA

    Wow that looks like a pretty clear pattern of behavior to me.

    He’s a predator plain and simple.

  156. Justthestatsman says:

    godot10,

    godot10:
    Aho
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-vVjvgmojM

    I sometimes wonder if the commentators are watching the same replay. They’re calling it a clean hit, and to me it looks like it’s knee on knee as well as a head shot.

  157. Side says:

    godot10: Giordano’s trip was accidentally on purpose and sneaky dirty. The trip was not his first “rodeo”. I don’t believe his apologies or concern are sincere. It was for show.Some people were apparently born yesterday.

    As I said, when you have a narrative, you really double down on it. Or move goal posts.

    You are so lost in your own world you reject reality.

    Which is that McDavid clearly thought Giordano was sincere and Kassian didn’t do anything about because of it.

    You paint yourself as a contrarian but really, you are just a fabricator.

    Oh and I’m not sure why you think McDavid was born yesterday. You should write him a letter and tell him what Giordano’s true intent was. Maybe he will listen to you.

  158. Side says:

    I shall play the role of godot playing contrarian to.. himself.

    “Clearly what happened was, Giordano was so afraid of what Kassian would do to him in the first meeting after taking out McDavid, that he got McDavid’s phone number to try to convince McDavid that he didn’t do it purpose. This still left Giordano with sleepless nights, so Gio also called Treliving to convince him to trade Neal for Lucic, so Lucic could protect him against Kassian. Fortunately, Giordano’s first plan worked.

    Clearly some people, like McDavid were born yesterday. What a fool. This is obvious because if McDavid didn’t fall for Gio’s lies, he would have exacted revenge himself and also got his teammates to join in like when they played Manning for the first time back from when Manning injured him!

    Giordano was so afraid of Kassian, he had to come up with this elaborate plan. Kassian is not impotent at all. So strong and scary.”

  159. Side says:

    I shall again play the role of godot playing contrarian to himself:

    “Tkachuk did NOT make Kassian impotent. If anything, Kassian just neutured Tkachuk! George Parros will be at the game in person on the 29th to watch. Will he be watching Kassian? NO! The fans, players.. nay.. the WORLD is laughing at the league for how badly they screwed up the Kassian and Tkachuk situation. Parros will be keeping a close eye on ALL of the players. By my count, the Flames have at least 3 dirty players. TKACHUK. GIORDANO. AND LUCIC. Oilers only have KASSIAN. KASSIAN’s actions have effectively nullified 3 of their dirty players, forcing the Flames to play a less dirty game and to play more skill based, which is what the Oilers want.

    Well done, Kassian. Well done.”

  160. godot10 says:

    Side:
    You are so lost in your own world you reject reality.

    I posted YouTube clips.

    #TkachuksEunuch does a lot of talking about big boy hockey. Too bad he doesn’t play any.

  161. v4ance says:

    Scungilli Slushy: I’d rather bridge talent if at all possible.

    There is a lower cap hit signing them long term straight out of ELC, but it’s kicking the can down the road.

    Because it means you have to choose to move them at peak, let them walk, try a deadline deal and hope you get enough, or give them the biggie and buy decline.

    Connor is different, but for others as a GM is want the option to cash players with rep at the end of their prime with some term left if I wanted to.

    All teams in any sport should want to be perennial contenders. If they aren’t it’s a lack of money or bad decisions. The NHL doesn’t have the money problem as much with the cap.

    It’s trading some cap for good players to retain the ability to make good decisions that prolong success.

    Paying good players isn’t what kills cap. Bottoming out is hard on fans and avoidable IMO.

    I’m sorry but this is one of the dumbest things I’ve read in a while.

    You should never bridge deal talent. If you identify a core talented player, you lock them up as soon as possible when you, the team, has the most leverage. That way, you pay a discount through their peak years.

    Yes, you’re kicking the can down the road but you obviously don’t understand aging curves. The peak productive years of the majority of NHLers is from 21-25. The ELC usually starts at 18-20 and ends at 21-23. Signing them coming out of the ELC for 6 years pretty much covers the entirety of their peak years. After that, the contracts cover declining production. If NHL GMs figured it out, they’d stop overrating and over paying veteran talent after age 28.

    Halll, MacKinnon, Crosby, Toews, Kane, Tavares, Seth Jones, Doughty. These are all great examples of going longer coming out of their ELCs leading to great discounts per cap dollar spent.

    Off the top of my head, PK Subban Holtby, and Panarin are examples of guys who got bridged and got peak dollars coming out of bridge deals.

    He’s a step below these guys but Nurse will get peak dollars coming out of this bridge when we could have signed him for $1- 1.5 million less on a longer term deal 2 years ago

  162. Side says:

    godot10: I posted YouTube clips.

    #TkachuksEunuch does a lot of talking about big boy hockey.Too bad he doesn’t play any.

    Hey did Giordano text all of the people in your clips saying he was sorry? No? So McDavid was the 1 off, right?

    Hey didn’t McDavid go after Manning because he thought what Manning did was dirty and malicious? Yes. Did he go after Giordano in their first meeting or express and disdain for him like he did for Manning in interviews? No.

    Doesn’t Kassian stick up for his teammates when they are victim of dangerous or dirty hits? Not always, but usually he sticks up for them or avenges them.

    Again, you are stuck in your own reality and refuse to see things that contradict your narratives.

    You have an odd obsession with eunuchs, impotence and Kassian. Seek help.

  163. Lowetide says:

    New for The Athletic: Kailer Yamamoto gives Oilers a midseason spark, one of the best in team history

    https://theathletic.com/1545940/2020/01/21/lowetide-kailer-yamamoto-gives-oilers-a-midseason-spark-one-of-the-best-in-team-history/

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