2019-20 Game 60: Bruins at Oilers

Every summer we argue about needing good 12 forwards but the truth is we should spend more time in identifying 10 defensemen. Man it’s a tough position to play. If you’re ever in the woods with a buddy and get chased by a bear, pray to the heavens your friend is a former NHL defenseman. Improves the odds.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of The Athletic, less than two coffees a month offer here. 

  • New Lowetide: For Oilers’ Kailer Yamamoto and Leon Draisaitl, first impressions are long forgotten. Why not for Jesse Puljujarvi?
  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Next-night masters: How the Oilers beat the Hurricanes and improved to 6-0 in the 2nd half of back-to-backs
  • Lowetide: Oilers reap benefits of Bakersfield Condors’ strong development process, even in a losing season
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Stepping out and up, Leon Draisaitl puts himself in the Hart Trophy mix in Connor McDavid’s absence
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Despite ‘transformation’ with Oilers, Zack Kassian’s on-ice actions come under scrutiny again
  • Jonathan Willis: Why the Oilers are playing their best 5-on-5 hockey of the season
  • Lowetide: Making sense of the Oilers defensive depth chart for the stretch run and the summer
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: ‘It was reactionary’: Oilers’ Zack Kassian addresses alleged kick; Lightning depth strikes; and Kailer Yamamoto’s big game
  • Jonathan Willis: 10 overlooked trade targets for the Oilers before the 2020 deadline
  • Lowetide: Why Connor McDavid’s injury is unlikely to alter Ken Holland’s trade deadline plan for the Oilers
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: ‘We want to take it as a challenge’: Oilers survive first game without McDavid as room for improvement remains
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Trying to make sense of Connor McDavid’s injury and Darnell Nurse’s new contract with Oilers
  • Jonathan Willis: Faced with uncertainty, Oilers hedge their bet on Darnell Nurse
  • Lowetide: Oilers sign Darnell Nurse
  • Lowetide: The Oilers trading their first-round pick is a bad idea
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: 15 potential trade targets for the Oilers before the 2020 deadline
  • Lowetide: Drilling down on right-handed centres for the Oilers to target before the trade deadline
  • Lowetide: If fast is the new big, the Oilers are trending in a very good direction
  • Lowetide: Why the Oilers are more likely to trade Adam Larsson than Kris Russell
  • Lowetide: Oilers prospects Evan Bouchard and Tyler Benson deliver best minor league performances in 20 years
  • Jonathan Willis: An updated list of which Oilers are most likely to be traded in 2019-20

OILERS AFTER 60 GAMES

  • Oilers in 2015-16: 22-32-6, 50 points; goal differential -31
  • Oilers in 2016-17: 32-20-8, 72 points; goal differential +12
  • Oilers in 2017-18: 25-31-4, 54 points; goal differential -33
  • Oilers in 2018-19: 25-29-6, 56 points; goal differential -24
  • Oilers in 2019-20: 32-21-6, 70 points; goal differential +5

Insanity that this year’s team can match the 2016-17 group but we are here. The Oilers have been good against the Bruins in recent seasons, but this game tonight features a banged up home side. Suspect the goalie is the first star if Edmonton gets a result.

ON THE TENS

  • First 10 games: 7-2-1
  • Second 10 games: 5-4-1
  • Third 10 games: 5-4-1
  • Fourth 10 games: 3-6-1
  • Fifth 10 games: 6-2-2
  • Current 10 games: 6-3-0

No matter the result, this has been a fine 10-game stanza. The Oilers are 12-5-2 since that wobbly spot in the middle of the year.

OILERS IN FEBRUARY

  • Oilers in February 2016: 2-7-0, four points; goal differential -18
  • Oilers in February 2017: 5-4-0, 10 points; goal differential 0
  • Oilers in February 2018: 2-6-1, five points; goal differential -4
  • Oilers in February 2019: 1-5-3, five points; goal differential -12
  • Oilers in February 2020: 5-3-0, 10 points; goal differential +3

A strong February, coming on the heels of an impressive January, is the kind of new year the McDavid Oilers have rarely known.

WHAT TO EXPECT IN FEBRUARY

  • On the road to: CAL, ARI (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 1-1-0)
  • At home to: SJS, NAS, CHI (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 2-1-0)
  • On the road to: TBY, FLA, CAR (Expected 1-1-1) (Actual 2-1-0)
  • At home to: BOS, MIN (Expected 1-1-0)
  • On the road to: LAK, ANA, VEG (Expected 2-1-0)
  • At home to: WPG (Expected 1-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 8-5-1, 17 points in 14 games
  • Current results: 5-3-0, 10 points in eight games

The month has marched in lock step with my predictions so far, that’s breaking news. I have tonight as a loss.

OILERS 2019-20

Lagesson is a fine young defender and the organization needs to find out about him. NO ONE would wish this as a way for him to get into the lineup and it’s not certain he keeps the job for any length of time. We know Kris Russell isn’t ready to come back yet, we know Evan Bouchard is the best recall option, we know the lefties in Bakersfield are Brandon Manning, Keegan Lowe and Dmitri Samorukov.

TRADE WINDS

Elliotte Friedman’s 31 Thoughts was fascinating yesterday. Friedman heard from more than one source that Blake Coleman was the one player Edmonton was willing to deal their first-round pick for at the deadline.

Not Taylor Hall? Why Coleman? Several reasons, chief among them control. Coleman isn’t expensive and is signed for another year. Edmonton would have a chance to test him and then (one would hope) sign Coleman before free agency summer 2021.

What does he bring? A 1.85 five on five per 60 scoring number. 12.2 shots per 60 at five on five. Good possession numbers. Fantastic speed. Almost three minutes a night on the PK. And at a very reasonable price. All good. I wouldn’t trade the first-round pick in 2020 for him. Holland (based on reports) may have been contemplating the idea, although we don’t know the entirety of the deal. Maybe there were conditions on the trade that would impact things if Coleman didn’t sign an extension. He’s an exceptional deadline pickup.

Ondrej Kase, Andreas Athanasoui and Kasperi Kapanen (injured) are somewhat similar, but none of the speed/range of skills/current success offered by Coleman. I remain convinced the best targets are Tomas Tatar and Chris Tierney.

FIVE ON FIVE/60 AND CORSI FIVE ON FIVE (SINCE JAN 1)

Oilers since January 1: Interesting to see the scoring numbers across the board and improvement from Sheahan-Archibald over the last few weeks. Oilers need to get healthy in a quick hurry but these Jan-Feb totals are encouraging. The goalie numbers show Koskinen close to his season totals in GAA and off slightly in save percentage, while Smith has been quality for seven weeks compared to his previous levels. That top line has been insane since Yamamoto landed there.

PHILIP BROBERG

It takes about 11 seconds for an opinion to become fact among Oilers fans online these days. I’m absolutely sure that this blog has contributed to these kinds of things over the years and yours truly would be a suspect for sure.

It doesn’t take long to check on someone’s verbal. A few weeks ago, I started reading about Philip Broberg being a shutdown defenseman who shouldn’t be expected to deliver much should he make the NHL. Question: How in hell does anyone know this?

Let’s use Filip Berglund and Broberg, who are teammates, as comparisons:

Broberg has scored five points in 461:25 even-strength minutes. That’s 0.65 points per 60 at even strength, age 18.

Berglund has scored seven points in 568:24 even strength minutes. That’s 0.74 points per 60 at even strength, age 22.

Are we sure about Broberg’s offense? Berglund is averaging over two minutes a night on the power play, so we know he’s an offensive contributor, right? Let’s do Oscar Klefbom’s numbers at the same age Broberg is now.

Klefbom scored two points in 398:12 even strength minutes. That’s 0.30 points per 60 at even strength, age 18. Keep in mind Klefbom’s career highs in the NHL are 12 goals and 38 points.

How can this be? He didn’t score at 18 in the SHL, that is apparently enough evidence to bury him. Or, you know, not.

I think we as a group, in our eagerness to show how smart we are (that’s a human item, nothing any of us can do about the urge), have thrown caution and curiosity to the wind. Need to temper the strength of our words, maybe couch our verbal with “I’ve been wondering about x, and will now do a thorough job of looking at it, will then post my work and sincerely hope you kick the hell out of it” because that’s kind of how it should work. We all know each other, generally speaking we’ve made decisions on ourselves as individuals. You can’t change people, but maybe we can change our statements from “these are the 10 commandments of GOD ALMIGHTY” to “hey, I just had a thought and wanted to share it” and possibly find more eyes and ears on the subject. I think all of us would benefit. Remember, we’ve already decided if you’re smart or not, the die is cast.

OSCAR KLEFBOM

How long will he be out? By the five o’clock whistle in Edmonton yesterday I was hearing Klefbom was dealing with the issue for many days and the schedule allowed for time away at this time. Kind of a scheduled absence, times for ease of schedule.

Could be. We’ll know at the deadline, in my opinion. If Klefbom’s return is in real doubt, suspect Holland casts about to see if there’s someone he can add for the stretch run and the playoffs. He has other concerns (scoring winger, center) and the prices on blue are high. Evan Bouchard is very probably better than anyone the team could afford to bring in.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

At 10 this morning, TSN1260, we say goodbye to the chilling cold and hello to spring (by God, I hope so). Bruce McCurdy from the Cult of Hockey at the Edmonton Journal will stop by and chime in on the Klefbom injury, McDavd’s return, the road trip brilliance and the Bruins in town. Joe Osborne from OddsShark will join us at 11 to talk changing odds with McDavid on the shelf, XFL moving the needle, odds on which NFL team will take Tua Tagovailoa in the draft, and the Astros over under on everything. Marisa Ingemi from the Boston Herald will join us to talk Bruins. 10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. Talk soon!

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  1. hunter1909 says:

    marty62:
    Bruins record in OT is horrendous we just gotta hang on……

    Boston Oilers finals bitches 200% worse than the Hurricanes Curse

  2. OriginalPouzar says:

    Posts are tied 1-1- now.

  3. N64 says:

    hunter1909: Boston ice a decent team. Their fans believe that none of the Oilers top 9 could play even on the Boston 4th line, for example.

    He who must not be named hangs out on their boards too?

  4. drglen says:

    Holy shit.. Pasternak. .. pay attention please that guy is good! close shave

  5. LMHF#1 says:

    Benson isn’t ready.

  6. marty62 says:

    Oh wow PP!!! Get Bear out there!!!!

  7. Pretendergast says:

    Benson looking overwhelmed, I think the Rickibox will like Lagesson alot.

  8. hunter1909 says:

    This is Gordie Howe vs the Montreal Canadiens hockey.

  9. drglen says:

    we are gifted a PP there… fair call, but not usually called game tied end of third.

  10. hunter1909 says:

    This is great hockey.

  11. fries n gravy says:

    Just tuned in for the 3rd. These Oilers f***.

  12. OriginalPouzar says:

    Just don’t make any dangerous plays on this PP.

  13. hunter1909 says:

    Boston and Edmonton meet in an arena of mutual respect but the game is yet to be set at 1 – 1 each lol

  14. jp says:

    Massive chance to take a late lead on the PP.

    Honestly I’m beyond impressed with this Oilers team whatever the outcome. All these injuries and playing even with the top team in the league.

    Very impressed.

  15. marty62 says:

    get Bear out there!!!

  16. Ryan says:

    Power plays are tougher without the zone entry machine aka McDavid.

  17. jp says:

    Boston announcers:

    “Chara muscles it loose” (after Chara elbows Draisaitl in the back of the head)

  18. Oil2Oilers says:

    Tippett can coach

    Yamamoto v. Chara is a fair fight

    Jones is an NHLer

    Bear is great

    Nurse should not be on PP1

    Way more great effort games this year, than poor effort games regardless of outcome

  19. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Drai with a heroic board effort and a sloppy pass and it’s out

  20. hunter1909 says:

    This is a Great Game.

  21. marty62 says:

    Im gonna have a heart attack

  22. drglen says:

    PP finally looking good. so close. might still get one. Bear looks good out there.. !

  23. Ryan says:

    At least a loser point! Wow!

  24. OriginalPouzar says:

    Wow – the Oilers gut it out and bank at least one point against the Bruins.

    Just unreal this team – a gutsy gutsy team – a Dave Tippett team!

  25. striatic says:

    This is one of those “Damn, Hockey is fun to watch” games.

  26. marty62 says:

    hard fought point, now lets go get the other one

  27. drglen says:

    HUGE POINT FOR OILERS! Fantastic!

    Why not win it? Why not?

  28. hunter1909 says:

    (embracing the loser point)

  29. Durag says:

    Can we submit this game tape for Tippet’s Jack Adams award?

  30. russ99 says:

    Huge point, let’s win it in OT!

  31. N64 says:

    Another point for the interregnum

  32. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Replied to myself

    Meant what an effort by the team

    Fantastic

  33. OriginalPouzar says:

    ARI loses in regulation.

  34. hunter1909 says:

    I love the Boston Bruins. I wish Oilers and Boston played more often for real lol

  35. drglen says:

    Ok… Leon with Yam.. Nuge with two D….. How about Hass and Archibald?

  36. russ99 says:

    Durag,

    No, it’s a curse! Hope he finishes second. Lol

  37. Suntory Hanzo says:

    Tippett: You are on until there’s a goal, Drai.

    Drai: Okay skip!

  38. LMHF#1 says:

    And Nurse costs them the game…

    Ugh…

  39. jp says:

    Aww Nurse. That was too damn bad. You could see that develop.

  40. Bling says:

    Good game. Nothing to be ashamed of there.

  41. marty62 says:

    frak give a breakaway top the leading goal scorer in the NHL hard fought game boys well done

  42. OilClog says:

    Well they got a point

  43. OriginalPouzar says:

    Disappointing finish but that’s OK – that was a massive point.

    Oilers gain a point on each of ARI and CHI along with all the idle teams (and potentially the canucks).

  44. hunter1909 says:

    Fuck ok 1 point lol fuck Calgary the true losers in this situation 🙂

  45. russ99 says:

    Ugh. Cant leave Pastrnak alone like that.

  46. drglen says:

    ah damn… pasternak with the world class finish.
    yamo kind of blew it there…

  47. jm363561 says:

    Well, you could point out some flaws in the OT but, big picture, a really gutsy effort. Bruins (excellent) feed very complimentary of the Oilers.

  48. geowal says:

    Good battle. These are not your decade of darkness Oilers

  49. Suntory Hanzo says:

    Only watched the last 10 minutes, but it looked like a blast.

    No shame sniping a point from the leagues top team while we have so many in the MASH unit.

  50. emonkee says:

    Man, why did nurse go in like that? Could have circle back to his own zone and reset, especially with yamo heading back to bench for fresh legs, just not a smart decision

  51. Johnny skid says:

    LMHF#1:
    And Nurse costs them the game…

    Ugh…

    how so?

    • LMHF#1 says:

      You can’t randomly drive the net with almost no chance to score, fall, and give up the rush the other way.

      He also sabotaged the power plays where the winning goal should have been scored.

  52. Side says:

    I’m not surprised Pastrnak got the goal. I was watching an interview with him where he said he mixed up his off season training regime. He started training with an ice hockey legend who gave him a lot of tips on his release and puck handling which Pastrnak felt really improved his game. That ice hockey legend who helped out Pastrnak? Brogan. Rafferty.

    • Brogan Rafferty says:

      I like to volunteer with the less fortunate in my spare time. Pastrnak still has a lot to learn from me.

  53. Younger Oil says:

    Nurse’s hockey sense and decision making are so incredibly below average, really shouldn’t be making more than $5M in his UFA years.

    What a dumb, irresponsible, low percentage play to pull in 3v3 overtime.

  54. dsr29 says:

    Nurse with an ill advised rush to trap himself. Not good instincts in the ozone.

  55. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Drai and nurse sloppy as heck.

    Too bad the puck bobbled on Yam.

    Forcing plays is not what good teams do. Also recognizing danger as in Pasternak.

    A point in the Leo bank but given how loose the team still is not time to spend much.

    Huge strides, not winning the race yet.

  56. Old Timer says:

    This game was a very good battle. The only problem is that Darnell Nurse left his hockey IQ in the locker room. He made more very bad decisions tonight than I have seen in years. He has the physical tools to be a first pairing D man. He just doesn’t have the hockey IQ or the awareness level to function as a first pairing player. He tries to be nonchalant and ends up looking dumb as a post.

  57. jp says:

    OT hurts but that was a really nice game.

    Kinda funny to hear the Burins broadcast in the 3rd and OT start pumping the Oilers as “leading the Pacific” (silent before being tied in the 3rd) when the Oilers would sit outside the playoffs in the East.

    Anyway, I can’t complain about that game at all.

  58. drglen says:

    well thats OT. If theres a 2 on 1.. there is an open man and a breakaway going the other way. Yamo’s going to have nightmares about that bouncing puck.

    Hell of a team point though. Gagner and Chaisson, that playoff mettle came through. Lagesson held his own. Really the D was good.. Only thing we didn’t have is a counter punch or quick breakout, except for one or two shifts.

    Smith also played fantastic.

  59. Ryan says:

    Durag:
    Can we submit this game tape for Tippet’s Jack Adams award?

    He’s got my vote.

  60. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Younger Oil:
    Nurse’s hockey sense and decision making are so incredibly below average, really shouldn’t be making more than $5M in his UFA years.

    What a dumb, irresponsible, low percentage play to pull in 3v3 overtime.

    Ya, I said maybe Klef might be the trade bait, if I knew he had no chronic injuries I might change that plan.

    A player’s game has to rein in to be a top player. And be worth top cheddar.

  61. jp says:

    LMHF#1:
    You can’t randomly drive the net with almost no chance to score, fall, and give up the rush the other way.

    He also sabotaged the power plays where the winning goal should have been scored.

    It’s fucking 3 on 3 OT. Where were the forwards that changed behind him? 3 on 3 has to be fluid. It sucks he fell, but there’s no excuse for him also being first man back on that play.

    • LMHF#1 says:

      Has nothing to do with that – all about possession and ZERO low percentage offensive attempts in OT.

      Absolutely stupid decision-making.

      • jp says:

        Yeah OK, taking the low percentage cut to the net might not have been the best choice.

        I thought he kinda got caught with the other 2 Oilers changing though. By the time his rush was over 2 new Oilers could/should have been defending rather than Nurse being the closest guy to Pastrnak after falling at the other end of the rink.

        I really don’t see that goal as being on Nurse.

  62. Ivan says:

    Younger Oil,

    Hate to dump on Nurse, but that was just abysmal. I don’t want to second-guess Tipp, but really, wouldn’t Jones or even Benning be a better choice after Bear. arrrggggh! Really wanted this one.

  63. Derek says:

    Nurse looked brilliant and awful throughout the game. It’s probably worth mentioning that he played 28:43.

    Leon played 30:16.

    https://www.naturalstattrick.com/game.php?season=20192020&game=20929&view=limited

  64. delooper says:

    Nice game, Oilers. This is a good team.

  65. Dustylegnd says:

    OriginalPouzar: OK, and?

    DId Caleb text you and let you know how he feels?

    WOW………..Limbo

  66. N64 says:

    Bracket Trafficky sized site today. Over 600 comments on a guaranteed loss night. Most since the Turtle Tank Trashing.

  67. Dicky94 says:

    Derek,

    Too many minutes for both.

  68. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Derek:
    Nurse looked brilliant and awful throughout the game.It’s probably worth mentioning that he played 28:43.

    Leon played 30:16.

    https://www.naturalstattrick.com/game.php?season=20192020&game=20929&view=limited

    Yup

    It didn’t look good on either of them IMO

    Too many Brians

    Left it as Woodguy’s phone corrupted my phone’s autocorrect kinda funny

    ‘Brain farts’

  69. marty62 says:

    I think if on that last 2 on 1 with Drai and Yama if it was Drai with the puck he would have found a way to calm that puck and get it to Yama for the winner. I see everyone is jumping on ol Nurse with both feet. He was not alone, somehow he wasthe only guy back in photo with Pasternak scoring. Where were the forwards coming on for Drai who was changing?

  70. drglen says:

    got not faults with Nurse this game. Just goes to show that the single D powerplay quarterback is a precious thing. Hey you’ve got Bouchard up? Would I sit Lagesson for Bouchard? Normally no.. Lagesson defended well… but I might, if only to see him on the Powerplay. Look we’ve also got to think about playoffs, .. Bouchard, maybe, maybe, could be a secret weapon on the playoffs. But first give it to bear.

    Anyway, you take your chances in OT. Pasternak probably should have won it in regulation but hit the post. Yamo had Drei on the 2 on 1 and couldn’t feed him. coin toss to win the game. Pretty much everybody looks completely awesome and completely stupid in 3 on 3, about half of the time.

  71. Ice Sage says:

    Oilers are just a shade off the consensus best teams in the league, without their best player (and best D tonite). The coaching staff, including the goaltending coaches, are working wonders… or maybe they’re just competent after years of fuckery.

    I was going to check NHL.com for the Dys-Wild score but I just gotta hang here and will be alerted if Vcr scores.

  72. drglen says:

    marty62,

    agree. no fault on Nurse there.. 2 on 1 by us will lead to an odd man rush for boston regardless.

    Having said that… gotta say Bear looked smooth and composed in OT and I would like to see him get the first look next time.

    Nurse has won us many 3 on 3 games we recall, and was a tower of strength all game. Larsson too.

  73. hunter1909 says:

    We made a so called tippy top team sweat blood lol fuck those clowns come any finals

  74. JOFA says:

    I love watching a hardworking team. It appears the Oilers are just that. Huge point. Disappointed they didn’t steal an extra point.

    Nurse needs to pull that out and regroup with fresh linemates. I like the confidence, but it was a selfish play IMO.

    Shremp watch:

    5 GP 1 Pt

  75. LMHF#1 says:

    The reason this is frustrating is that a win would have meant a whole lot for this group – and they had the chances.

    At least it didn’t end with Russell pinwheeling across the ice again…

    Everyone can now see we have at least 8 defencemen better than he is – yes?

    • marty62 says:

      I think if Cowboy wasnt hurt right now Uncle Ken would have found him a new home by now. Whether he can be convinced to waive his NMC is another story. If he comes off IR before the deadline he may just be gone. I know Tippett like Vets but I think at least 2 kids have stolen his job

  76. hunter1909 says:

    JOFA:
    I love watching a hardworking team. It appears the Oilers are just that. Huge point. Disappointed they didn’t steal an extra point.

    Nurse needs to pull that out and regroup with fresh linemates. I like the confidence, but it was a selfish play IMO.

    Shremp watch:

    5 GP 1 Pt

    LOL with all due respect

    Leave Nurse Alone !!

  77. Rebillled says:

    our B- team ties the Bruins.

    Great effort boys.

  78. Victoria Oil says:

    Ryan:
    At least a loser point! Wow!

    Every point is sacred
    Every point is great
    If a point gets wasted
    God (and this blog) get quite irate

  79. Ice Sage says:

    Victoria Oil: Every point is sacred
    Every point is great
    If a point gets wasted
    God (and this blog) get quite irate

    Oh thanks, that ear worm will get me kicked out of bed tonite!

    Dys, Phlegms, Pysankas
    Spill theirs just anywhere,
    But Gary loves those who treat their
    Points with more care?

  80. OriginalPouzar says:

    Oil2Oilers:
    Tippett can coach

    Yamamoto v. Chara is a fair fight

    Jones is an NHLer

    Bear is great

    Nurse should not be on PP1

    Way more great effort games this year, than poor effort games regardless of outcome

    Jones was a legit top 4 NHLer tonight.

  81. JOFA says:

    OriginalPouzar: Jones was a legit top 4 NHLer tonight.

    Agreed. Jones is legit.

  82. Bag of Pucks says:

    Gritty effort from the lads tonight.

    So impressed with the youth brigade this season. Bear, Jones, Moto, Benson. Some credit has to go to Woodcroft. He’s sending polished prospects to the bigs.

  83. OriginalPouzar says:

    LMHF#1:
    You can’t randomly drive the net with almost no chance to score, fall, and give up the rush the other way.

    He also sabotaged the power plays where the winning goal should have been scored.

    He also played a ton of 5 on 5 minutes against the “perfection line” and over 6 minutes on the PK.

  84. Pretendergast says:

    jm363561,

    Now if only the home broadcasters were.

  85. Bag of Pucks says:

    Is there any point in even criticizing Nurse’s brain farts at this point?

    This is why Holland didn’t commit term imo. Darnell is a placeholder until Bouchard, Broberg and Samourkov elevate.

  86. OriginalPouzar says:

    ]

    Younger Oil:
    Nurse’s hockey sense and decision making are so incredibly below average, really shouldn’t be making more than $5M in his UFA years.

    What a dumb, irresponsible, low percentage play to pull in 3v3 overtime.

    Of course, they don’t get to 3 on 3 OT without his 28 minutes including over 6 minutes on the PK.

  87. Pretendergast says:

    I see no point in getting mad at Nurse. The Oilers of old put people over their head into roles they couldn’t fill for a long time. This time it was by necessity through injury not roster construction.

    He’s miscast on the PP and probably OT, we already knew that from the last 7 years. 5 on 5 I’d say he was a beast tonight.

    He more than held his own in ~29 minutes.

  88. Melman says:

    Unreal game. 1 important point on the first game back from a tough roadie against the #1 team in the league and 7 rookies in the lineup. Hats off to Tippett and Woodcroft tonight. Connor is going to come back with rockets on his skates after watching his team chop wood and carry water without him.

  89. OriginalPouzar says:

    drglen:
    got not faults with Nurse this game. Just goes to show that the single D powerplay quarterback is a precious thing. Hey you’ve got Bouchard up? Would I sit Lagesson for Bouchard? Normally no.. Lagesson defended well… but I might, if only to see him on the Powerplay. Look we’ve also got to think about playoffs, .. Bouchard,maybe, maybe, could be a secret weapon on the playoffs. But first give it to bear.

    Anyway, you take your chances in OT.Pasternak probably should have won it in regulation but hit the post.Yamo had Drei on the 2 on 1 and couldn’t feed him.coin toss to win the game.Prettymuch everybody looks completely awesome and completely stupid in 3 on 3, about half of the time.

    There is almost zero chance that Bouch comes in directly for a d-man. Neither of Bear, Larsson nor Benning are coming out and none of them are going to play the left side, nor is Bouchard.

    If Bouch gets a game, it will be via 11F and 7D I think.

    No need to go there now. The simple “fix” is to give Bear some PP1 at bats – too bad there won’t be time to practice before next game – well, maybe they practice tomorrow, beats me.

  90. marty62 says:

    Florida looking to put more distance between them and the Leafs….will Leafs be sellers at the deadline……;)

  91. Bag of Pucks says:

    Remember when Guy “I’m always right” Godot insisted that Holland should give Nurse whatever cap hit and term he demanded?

    Good times.

  92. OriginalPouzar says:

    The Bergeron line playing essentially ALL their 5 on 5 minutes against Nurse.

    Nurse played 6 minutes on a perfect PK.

    Nurse was bad on the PP but the OT GA was not on him.

    Nurse was a big part of getting a point tonight.

  93. OriginalPouzar says:

    The Bergeron line played essentially ALL their 5 on 5 minutes against Nurse.

    Nurse played 6 minutes on a perfect PK.

    Nurse was bad on the PP but the OT GA was not on him.

    Nurse was a big part of getting a point tonight.

  94. jp says:

    Munny:
    jp,

    Some initial thoughts—which may or may not have value as they are pretty extemporaneous…

    1. I think you’d have to graph your population’s data and see if you are really dealing with a normal distribution.Despite some indications of symmetry we can’t assume it is.Also be nice to know how tight the sigmas are to the mean.

    2. The concept that being on the curve’s tails is not being driven by luck or randomness depends on what is being measured.You can have an entire normally distributed curve determined by “random” events (dropping balls on a Galton Board for eg).If you are measuring heights of all males in Edmonton, then of course there is no randomness to being 2+sigmas out there.But I may be mis-reading what you’re saying.

    3.. I think I’d take the three years of data and break it down year by year too and see if the same usual suspects show up.One of the things that came up in WG’s digging was that one month was skewing results horribly.

    4.I think I’d look at each individual’s shooting percentage and the percentage volume of shots they take out of the total taken when on ice and see how much individual performance is driving the numbers.

    But that said, I do have great difficulty believing there’s a strong effect here… Individual shooting percentages fluctuate so much from year-to-year, and one would think one’s own shooting is the easiest to affect… how do we jump from there and determine how much they are affecting the shooting percentage of other individual players?Seems pretty counter-intuitive.

    I would be more likely to buy-in to the idea that Fs have a measurable effect on on-ice SH and Dmen have a measurable effect on on-ice SV over a large enough number of events (then the other way around), though…

    1) I’m pretty sure these data are normal distributions but I should check to be sure (I may do that soon but it won’t be tonight). Checking the standard deviations would also be helpful for sure.

    2) I think we’re on the same page. I was trying to say that we can’t know what’s “real” and what’s luck here (or even what’s being measured). And in part I was guarding against folks seeing top 5% and bottom 5% and believing that the players falling there were definitely doing something to end up there. Every distribution has a top 5% and a bottom 5% – someone ALWAYS ends up there. In this data set i don’t think there’s clear evidence of anything except that sometimes/often forwards can increase on ice SH%. Everything else (IMO) is as likely luck as it is due to something the players are doing on ice.

    3) Agreed that a next step with this data would be breaking it down to see if a subset was driving the whole. But on the flip side I think equally important would be to see if each of the 3 years going into the 3 year data set showed a similar pattern. And extending beyond the 3 years to see if the patterns here were even longer standing. In the latter 2 cases you could end up more sure that an effect we see is “real” (at least in that it would be consistent and reproducible).

    4) That would be informative for sure, but I think it’s highly likely that “drivers” often affect on ice performance beyond their own shot volume/success. McDavid himself would be a great example of this – he consistently passes up decent shots to set up a teammate in a HD/tap in area. That would be reflected in on ice SH% but less so in his individual shot volume and SH%.

    To be clear (not sure if I mis-typed or was unclear in my original post) my conclusion would be that forwards can and often do boost on ice SH%. I don’t think the data I looked at indicates that forwards affect on ice SV% or that defensemen affect on ice SH% or SV%. I can’t rule out that the latter things occur sometimes, but the only clear effect I see is that some forwards can improve on ice SH%.

  95. who says:

    LMHF#1:
    Benning can play the power play point just fine.

    Combo of Bear and Benning splitting the minutes.

    Bear or Jones for PP1 ahead of Benning.

  96. Munny says:

    jp: 2) I think we’re on the same page. I was trying to say that we can’t know what’s “real” and what’s luck here (or even what’s being measured). And in part I was guarding against folks seeing top 5% and bottom 5% and believing that the players falling there were definitely doing something to end up there. Every distribution has a top 5% and a bottom 5% – someone ALWAYS ends up there. In this data set i don’t think there’s clear evidence of anything except that sometimes/often forwards can increase on ice SH%. Everything else (IMO) is as likely luck as it is due to something the players are doing on ice.

    Actually this clears up what you were getting at much better for me, thanks.

  97. RonnieB says:

    Regarding the discussion about the forwards changing in OT while Nurse went deep and turned the puck over…KY made it back to the bench and Nuge came on; Drai was standing at center ice when the winning goal was scored. I imagine he thought that the game was over if Pasta scored while if he missed Leon would be in position to accept a breakaway pass the other way. Nurse, Drai and Nuge all minus 2 on the night.

  98. godot10 says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    Remember when Guy “I’m always right” Godot insisted that Holland should give Nurse whatever cap hit and term he demanded?

    Good times.

    I said $5.5 with duration two years ago. I said $6.5 million with duration a month ago.

    The Nurse haters are wrong. Just like the Petry haters were.

  99. Side says:

    godot10: I said $5.5 with duration two years ago.I said $6.5 million with duration a month ago.

    The Nurse haters are wrong.Just like the Petry haters were.

    Just like the Woodcroft haters were wrong.

  100. jp says:

    godot10: I said $5.5 with duration two years ago.I said $6.5 million with duration a month ago.

    The Nurse haters are wrong.Just like the Petry haters were.

    You did say both of those things (though we don’t know if Nurse would have singed those deals).

    And IMO you’re right.

  101. godot10 says:

    Side: Just like the Woodcroft haters were wrong.

    I said hiring Woodcroft was risky, because he had never been a head coach. And that I hoped he was successful. I never said he would fail. I don’t think that is “hating”.

  102. Side says:

    godot10: I said hiring Woodcroft was risky, because he had never been a head coach.And that I hoped he was successful.I never said he would fail.I don’t think that is “hating”.

    You also said it would be better for Woodcrofts career for him to leave the org. to go somewhere else. You also said he wouldn’t connect with the players because he didn’t take enough bus rides and is too used to flying first class and staying in nice hotels.

    Sounds like a hater to me.

  103. Bank Shot says:

    I questioned Yamamoto’s offense after two underwhelming AHL seasons offensively.

    Glad it looks like I’m wrong. I mean he’s not going to continue to score at 30% but it looks like he can hang in the top six.

  104. Munny says:

    Had to watch the second half of the game at the Pub as I could actually make a Quiz Night for a change. Filled in the holes with PVR.

    Some thoughts:

    1. You can’t blame the player if he is forced to play in a situation beyond his abilities. Respect his courage to take the challenge and do his best with it. Nurse was unreal tonight, end of story. We’ll see if Tipp adjusts the PP (he should).

    2, Fries N Gravy… don’t know if Samwise heard you earlier, but he had a game and maybe coulda had a hattie. Not that I disagree with you… we need to see such games more consistently than Sam has shown them to us

    3. Watching Chara getting some Yammer time was worth the price of admission all by itself. If Sportsnet was smart they’d be showing a highlight package all week.

    4. Did Brian Burke, The Silver Bullet Head, endorse Drai for the Hart? If so, sweet.

    If people are wondering if Drai is a controversial choice, this Twitter thread is epic and a funny read:

    https://twitter.com/EditorinLeaf/status/1229800459399049217

    The tweet that started it all:

    Leon Draisaitl is super overrated. Despite racking up PP points, he has a 47 % Corsi and the Oilers have been outscored with him on the ice at 5v5.

    They are going to give him the least deserved Hart Trophy in NHL history.

    Leon Draisaitl is the very definition of lazy useless no good for nothing kraut. We all know this. Sheesh, any lazy ass out there can play 30 hard minutes against the Bruins, let’s get real.

    5. You can’t say Mike “Blind Ninja” Smith didn’t give the Oil a chance to win tonight. Love. His. Battle. Fuck he freaks me out though

    6. The push back that was the entire 2nd period was one of the proudest I’ve ever felt of the 2020 Oil. As Lunchpail as a paving crew. We were all over them.

    7. Look up “The Vaunt” on Wikipedia. The image there will be our Penalty Kill. What a job against the next best PP crew on the planet. It wasn’t always pretty, especially in the first when the Bruins were getting a ton of shots on it, but the Slick got the job done. Special Teams, Smith, and Saw-off earned us another point.

    8. If Jamie Benn doesn’t get suspended, all hell is going to rain down on the Department of Player Safety. Remember Hunter on Lafontaine? Will this even get half as many? A quarter?

    9. Great game by the three rookie D. You couldn’t ask for more. Maybe Caleb’s best game thus far. And that was a damn dirty play by Kuhlman on him. Scoring on that PP was sweet justice.

    One of the best shifts by the Dry Line in the 3rd was with Laggy and Benning. Laggy had 4:41 of shutout PK TOI… and played some 4 on 4.

    10. Never has kissing your sister been more satisfying.

  105. Hemskyish says:

    Briggin a’ raft’alreity

    pure eye, bear did his job. Why is defence our problem?
    It’s true the best Defense is offence. I know the feeling of dread, however they can out score teams as it is 29.6 powerplay wins, or catches up. 59 games as you said.

  106. Chelios is a Dinosaur says:

    Ya’ll are being way too harsh on Nurse for the OT goal.

    He’s scored in OT on essentially that play in the past. He saw a break, took it to the net. It didn’t work out, but he got on his horse to get back, despite the futility of doing so.

    And OP is also right – team wouldn’t have been in OT were it not for 25.

  107. Lowetide says:

    New for The Athletic: Making sense of the Oilers forward depth chart for the summer, with trades, buyouts and loud noises.

    https://theathletic.com/1617575/2020/02/20/lowetide-making-sense-of-the-oilers-forward-depth-chart-for-the-summer/

  108. JimmyV1965 says:

    godot10: I said hiring Woodcroft was risky, because he had never been a head coach.And that I hoped he was successful.I never said he would fail.I don’t think that is “hating”.

    It certainly isn’t your style to use qualifiers like the word risky.

  109. Bag of Pucks says:

    godot10: I said $5.5 with duration two years ago.I said $6.5 million with duration a month ago.

    The Nurse haters are wrong.Just like the Petry haters were.

    Those are the numbers you floated. You also insisted he had to be resigned to a longer term and refused to name a number that would make it too rich for the Oil. You basically insinuated he was irreplaceable and worth whatever they might have to pay.

  110. godot10 says:

    Side: You also said it would be better for Woodcrofts career for him to leave the org. to go somewhere else. You also said he wouldn’t connect with the players because he didn’t take enough bus rides and is too used to flying first class and staying in nice hotels.

    Sounds like a hater to me.

    I said that one had to be concerned that he didn’t have the fire in the belly to be a head coach because he, until the Oilers hired him, had been unwilling to leave the posh NHL assistant coach lifestyle to endure the less glamourous life in the CHL or AHL. It had nothing to do with connecting with players.

    • Side says:

      godot10: I said that one had to be concerned that he didn’t have the fire in the belly to be a head coach because he, until the Oilers hired him, had been unwilling to leave the posh NHL assistant coach lifestyle to endure the less glamourous life in the CHL or AHL.It had nothing to do with connecting with players.

      Another characteristic of a hater is someone who denigrates someone they do not know over perceived issues that they made up.

      Why would anyone be concerned about that? Woodcroft had head coached before and he was also a AHL player if my memory serves, which means he has experience being in the same position as the players he is coaching, he has lived the same kind of life, who took the same busses.

      How do you quantify “fire in the belly” and why did you think Woodcroft did not have it? Is there anything objectively speaking that caused you to feel that way?

      There is not, because you are drunk on haterade.

      If I used similar criticisms about Nurse

      “Has never played 1st line minutes, doesn’t have fire in his belly, too soft from his millionaire contracts”

      I guarantee you would call me a hater.

      Hater.

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