2019-20 Game 61: Wild at Oilers

Along with all of the excitement of trade deadline arriving with the Oilers as a possible buyer, there’s also the downside of saying goodbye to some who have been here for the past few years. Based on Ken Holland’s cap comments yesterday, there’s a chance a current roster player will be leaving the organization between now and Monday at 1pm. The team needs cap room in order to wheel. Sail on, but whom?

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of The Athletic, less than two coffees a month offer here. 

  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Oilers lack deadline flexibility due to injuries, few assets and bonuses
  • New Lowetide: Making sense of the Oilers forward depth chart for the summer
  • Lowetide: For Oilers’ Kailer Yamamoto and Leon Draisaitl, first impressions are long forgotten. Why not for Jesse Puljujarvi?
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Next-night masters: How the Oilers beat the Hurricanes and improved to 6-0 in the 2nd half of back-to-backs
  • Lowetide: Oilers reap benefits of Bakersfield Condors’ strong development process, even in a losing season
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Stepping out and up, Leon Draisaitl puts himself in the Hart Trophy mix in Connor McDavid’s absence
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Despite ‘transformation’ with Oilers, Zack Kassian’s on-ice actions come under scrutiny again
  • Jonathan Willis: Why the Oilers are playing their best 5-on-5 hockey of the season
  • Lowetide: Making sense of the Oilers defensive depth chart for the stretch run and the summer
  • Jonathan Willis: 10 overlooked trade targets for the Oilers before the 2020 deadline
  • Lowetide: The Oilers trading their first-round pick is a bad idea
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: 15 potential trade targets for the Oilers before the 2020 deadline
  • Lowetide: Drilling down on right-handed centres for the Oilers to target before the trade deadline
  • Lowetide: If fast is the new big, the Oilers are trending in a very good direction
  • Lowetide: Why the Oilers are more likely to trade Adam Larsson than Kris Russell
  • Lowetide: Oilers prospects Evan Bouchard and Tyler Benson deliver best minor league performances in 20 years
  • Jonathan Willis: An updated list of which Oilers are most likely to be traded in 2019-20

OILERS AFTER 61 GAMES

  • Oilers in 2015: 22-33-6, 50 points; goal differential -33
  • Oilers in 2016: 33-20-8, 74 points; goal differential +13
  • Oilers in 2017: 26-31-4, 56 points; goal differential -33
  • Oilers in 2018: 26-29-6, 58 points; goal differential -23
  • Oilers in 2019-20: 32-21-7, 71 points; goal differential +4

Edmonton has been winning consistently over the last two months, as well as gathering Bettmans while ye may. The results are real and spectacular.

ON THE TENS

  • First 10 games: 7-2-1
  • Second 10 games: 5-4-1
  • Third 10 games: 5-4-1
  • Fourth 10 games: 3-6-1
  • Fifth 10 games: 6-2-2
  • Sixth 10 games: 6-3-1
  • Current 10 games: 0-0-0

OILERS IN FEBRUARY

  • Oilers in February 2016: 2-8-0, four points; goal differential -19
  • Oilers in February 2017: 5-5-0, 10 points; goal differential -1
  • Oilers in February 2018: 2-7-1, five points; goal differential -5
  • Oilers in February 2019: 2-5-3, seven points; goal differential -11
  • Oilers in February 2020: 5-3-1, 11 points; goal differential +2

The last two months have been very strong for this Oilers team, with better structure and consistency. How far is the balance photo? I expect we’ll see it in the fall.

WHAT TO EXPECT IN FEBRUARY

  • On the road to: CAL, ARI (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 1-1-0)
  • At home to: SJS, NAS, CHI (Expected 2-1-0) (Actual 2-1-0)
  • On the road to: TBY, FLA, CAR (Expected 1-1-1) (Actual 2-1-0)
  • At home to: BOS, MIN (Expected 1-1-0) (Actual 0-0-1)
  • On the road to: LAK, ANA, VEG (Expected 2-1-0)
  • At home to: WPG (Expected 1-0-0)
  • Overall expected result: 8-5-1, 17 points in 14 games
  • Current results: 5-3-1, 11 points in nine games

A win tonight puts the Oilers in great position to hit the deadline either on top of the Pacific Division or close at the trade deadline. Clearance is important but the club is definitely in the range where we can call them buyers at this time.

OILERS 2019-20

Connor McDavid’s comments aside, the Oilers formula will be in force tonight, meaning another close checking effort and a grinding game. I enjoy these very much, makes me melancholy for the MacT days. I could barbecue during those games and be confident the score wouldn’t change more than a goal either way while I was outside.

TRADE DEADLINE

Man did things change in a hurry. On December 1, I wrote an article for The Athletic called “Eight assets the Oilers could use to acquire Taylor Hall” with an eye to a package that involved picks, prospects and Jesse Puljujarvi.

Since then, several of the names suggested (Kailer Yamamoto, Tyler Benson, William Lagesson) have been called up to the NHL and shown well. I’m not certain any of them are in play at this time.

What does that leave? Considering Evan Bouchard was never in play and Philip Broberg is off limits, not much. I think the Oilers like these youngsters enough to keep them. The one area of redundancy is LH defense, perhaps we see an exit there.

Jon is covering the Condors tonight and this weekend, then hanging around for the Oilers road trip and trade deadline. Stay tuned for his coverage. Daniel Nugent-Bowman will be heading up things from Edmonton at the deadline, lots of stories to follow. We discussed those stories and more on the latest Oil Can Podcast which is available now (here).

I’ll contribute as well when deals come down, and will be on the TSN1260 deadline show which starts at 6am and goes through until everyone has spoken (usually 3pm, sometimes later). I’ll be part of the TSN1260 panel (hosted by Dave Jamieson) along with Dustin Nielson, Tom Gazzola, Jason Gregor and others). Can’t wait! Fun day.

We’re seeing some clearance now, Arizona has played more games than anyone and is in trail position. Edmonton owns just a three-point lead on the Coyotes but have four games in hand. That’s a problem for Chayka. Would he trade Taylor Hall on Monday? Seems crazy to speak out loud.

Big games tonight (Oilers versus Wild and Flames versus Boston) are major stories in the division. Massive evening.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A busy Friday as we kickstart the weekend beginning at 10, TSN1260. We’ll talk to Steve Lansky from BigMouthSports about the Oilers run, the trade deadline and Dave Tippett’s Edmonton impact. Matt Iwanyk from TSN1260 comes back from holidays to argue with me at 11, we’ll chat Oilers, CFL free agency and MLB spring training. I’m also working on another trade deadline guest, it’s a good conversation and hopefully we land him. 10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

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  1. nelson88 says:

    If you go to “game by game” on his qmjhl page you can see the monthly breakdown. Since Jan 1st he is 12 and 1 with about a 920 sv percentage and 2.0 GAA

  2. OriginalPouzar says:

    Hopefully Archie is out with the team to start the period.

    He’s an important player.

  3. OriginalPouzar says:

    Ugh, Archie not out to start the 2nd.

    Was an elbow to the nose – didn’t seem to boggle his head but who knows.

  4. OriginalPouzar says:

    Nuge alsmo with the hatty – twice now.

    Its going to come – that first line is absolutely fire right now.

  5. OriginalPouzar says:

    Archie is back – sweet!

  6. Harpers Hair says:

    Nurse should never cross the red line.

    Good grief.

  7. OriginalPouzar says:

    and Boston takes their rightful place with a lead on the flames, 4-3.

  8. Harpers Hair says:

    Boston leads 4-3

  9. drglen says:

    good D by cave there

  10. OriginalPouzar says:

    I honestly can’t tell right now who is playing better: Drai, Yamamoto or Nuge – all of them are making lovely offensive plays, each shift.

  11. OriginalPouzar says:

    I would like the Oilers to score that 3rd goal soon for the 3-1 lead. Please.

  12. OriginalPouzar says:

    Drai has been a zone entry savant so far tonight – just powering the puck through the neutral zone and in to the offensive zone.

  13. OriginalPouzar says:

    Ugh, I think that was weak on Mikko but need to see the replay.

    Oh ya, that’s a weak goal on Mikko.

    Blah!

  14. drglen says:

    the D was not quick and desperate enough on that goal. Archie sceened koski.. not a good goal to give up.

  15. Gerta Rauss says:

    Keyser Soze ties it up – tough to tell how much of that Koskinen saw but it counts anyway

  16. OriginalPouzar says:

    Dallas getting pummelled by the Blues tonight – if the Oil can win, they can pull within 3 points of the Stars for 2nd in the conference with even games played (would be 2 behind the Avs but they’d have two games in hand).

  17. Johnny skid says:

    Harpers Hair:
    Nurse should never cross the red line.

    Good grief.

    what a stund comment.

  18. OriginalPouzar says:

    I’m not sure how that went in but we (and Leon) will take it.

  19. Bank Shot says:

    Haha. Leon got a gift there.

  20. drglen says:

    bit of a lucky goal for Leon there… man. bad luck for jordon greenway.

  21. OilClog says:

    Leon meant to do that.

  22. OriginalPouzar says:

    That goal will probably be shown as evidence when Leon isn’t awarded the Hart….

  23. drglen says:

    Jones beat by speed there…

  24. Bank Shot says:

    Bad decision there by Jones. Koskinen bailed him out.

  25. flyfish1168 says:

    Leon has quite the backhand.

  26. OriginalPouzar says:

    This is about as good as I’ve seen Chiasson look 5 on 5.

  27. OilClog says:

    For someone that isn’t an Oilers fan you sure have alot to say. It’s like getting advice for my roof from the tire guy.

  28. OriginalPouzar says:

    Gagner looked sickly there.

    Bouch may be in next game – 11/7.

  29. drglen says:

    d too passive here

  30. Gerta Rauss says:

    Archie with the full face shield and now Gagner goes to the room

  31. OriginalPouzar says:

    What a shift for the Wild – damn.

  32. drglen says:

    as i was saying

  33. OilClog says:

    Good old Larsson with the off the boards and not out.. Woooot

  34. Gerta Rauss says:

    Spurgeon ties it again with extended zone pressure

    aye carumba

  35. OriginalPouzar says:

    I think that was Jones that didn’t get the clear when he could have – tried to make a transition pass to Archie, I get it, but I agree with Drew, in that situation, just get the clear.

  36. leadfarmer says:

    Koskinen needed to have that

  37. Zelepukin says:

    Impressive shot to beat a huge tender, low far side, from a standstill and with no screen.

  38. fishman says:

    I think our rookie D are showing!

  39. leadfarmer says:

    Cmon boys let’s win this one.
    Need points so Mcdavid or Klefbom doesn’t feel pressure to return too early

  40. Zelepukin says:

    The amount of missed nets and blocks have been amazing.

  41. rickithebear says:

    Flight to Bakersfield paging
    Tyler Benson!

  42. drglen says:

    Nurse… would have been nice

  43. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    This feels like one of those games where the team that never leads the whole game, will get the late goal for the win…

  44. OilClog says:

    Larsson with another atrocious clearing attempt, can’t pass, can’t simply lift the puck past his own blue line. Wake up bud

  45. OriginalPouzar says:

    leadfarmer:
    Cmon boys let’s win this one.
    Need points so Mcdavid or Klefbom doesn’t feel pressure to return too early

    Klef isn’t playing until March.

    I don’t think they’ll rush McDavid back because of a loss – they’ll be sure.

    With that said, I’m not anticipating a regulation loss.

  46. Zelepukin says:

    Bear has to replace Nurse on PP1.

  47. OriginalPouzar says:

    Zelepukin:
    Bear has to replace Nurse on PP1.

    The team is having a real practice tomorrow – I think they’ve been waiting for a practice opportunity.

    Ughhh, Nuge with yet another glorious chance for his third.

  48. leadfarmer says:

    stupid walz criticizing Draisatls effort on backcheck
    “Well when you score 90 points you don’t think you have to play defense”
    How about when you play 30 min a night as a forward you can’t chase every puck

  49. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Bag of Pucks: If we’re compiling lists, I would suggest the list of ways in which science has improved human existence would be a fairly lengthy one.

    And don’t kid yourself, big pharma’s lawyers paved the way for oxy as much as the scientists. Everyone’s hands are dirty on that one including the pill pushers foremost.

    Truth.

    But you painted a different picture at first. About altruistic behaviour which, excuse me, was completely BS.

  50. drglen says:

    good D benson there and almost a nice pass

  51. Klima's_Bucket says:

    Former Eston Rambler and current NHL Official Chris Schlenker knew that puck was loose and let the world know it was.

  52. OriginalPouzar says:

    Massive save by Mikko and Parise in the dying seconds.

  53. drglen says:

    game saving stop by KOSKINEN on the breakaway

  54. Gerta Rauss says:

    Koski with a huge save with about 3 seconds left in the period…nice

  55. Scungilli Slushy says:

    OriginalPouzar: The team is having a real practice tomorrow – I think they’ve been waiting for a practice opportunity.

    Ughhh, Nuge with yet another glorious chance for his third.

    Both Gretzky and later Crosby lamented not finishing enough chances after their production and upped it.

    Nuge needs to be a better finisher. As do many Oilers.

    It’s what separates the top from the lesser.

  56. Bank Shot says:

    Oilers just need to tighten up the D a bit more and cut down on the oddman chances against.

  57. nelson88 says:

    Wild are a hard working team. Also quite dirty. Greenway needs to be filled in. Stupid Kassian

  58. digger50 says:

    Wild are a heavybteam andvthey are targeting the rookie D.

    Jones taking a beating for a few shifts there.

  59. Johnny skid says:

    nelson88:
    Wild are a hard working team. Also quite dirty. Greenway needs to be filled in. Stupid Kassian

    very true, the good thing is Greenway sucks at playing hockey.

  60. Lowetide says:

    After Two:

    3-3 tie (2-1 Minnesota in the second)
    29-18 shots Minnesota (12-8 in the second)
    42-40 Edmonton Corsi five on five (21-17 Edmonton in the second)
    ==

    Oilers had some youthful wobble in the second period, that’s something we should expect to happen. The fact this team has held so well so far doesn’t reduce the lack of experience marbled through the roster.

    Benson made a nice play later in the second, recovered the puck at the blue line and sent a long back hand pass that didn’t find his man but could have. Not his best pass of the night but a good one for sure.

  61. Scungilli Slushy says:

    OilClog:
    Larsson with another atrocious clearing attempt, can’t pass, can’t simply lift the puck past his own blue line. Wake up bud

    It seems he should be the D to get a winger.

    So much is there, something is off.

    As it stands Bear Benning do better. So the top 2 RD until Bouchard establishes.

    Get Berglund over.

  62. Scungilli Slushy says:

    nelson88:
    Wild are a hard working team. Also quite dirty. Greenway needs to be filled in. Stupid Kassian

    Nurse. It’s the second thing he’s paid for after his skating.

  63. OilClog says:

    Puck is a grenade on his stick, Coaches verbal doesn’t line up with how Larsson plays imo. He should be able to shelter a D like Jones. If it wasn’t for the A on his jersey you wouldn’t know who the rookie is between the 2 out there.

    It’s scary to trade a “shut down defender” before the extra season, but if there is a GM out there willing to spend some forward talent for him.. Their analytics department gets no love from within their own house lol

  64. Scungilli Slushy says:

    leadfarmer:
    stupid walz criticizing Draisatls effort on backcheck
    “Well when you score 90 points you don’t think you have to play defense”
    How about when you play 30 min a night as a forward you can’t chase every puck

    Leo doesn’t have the legs for big minutes IMO. He skates heavy. He’s also not exactly dishing sweet sauce lately either. Pretty much a giveaway machine.

  65. Johnny skid says:

    Scungilli Slushy: Nurse. It’s the second thing he’s paid for after his skating.

    we have better chance of winning this game with Greenway on the ice.

  66. fishman says:

    Need a kill here!

  67. Klima's_Bucket says:

    I was just about to say it’s about time Larsson took his regularly scheduled penalty.

  68. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Zelepukin:
    Impressive shot to beat a huge tender, low far side, from a standstill and with no screen.

    That shot shouldn’t score. Stats say stationary shooters don’t score often (outside of the elite shooters) Puck movement and rebounds do.

  69. oilersfan says:

    Larson needed to take another half step to avoid the icing then takes the penalty, this after not clearing when he has time on the 3-3 tying goal.

    Not stellar work for a veteran

  70. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Johnny skid: we have better chance of winning this game with Greenway on the ice.

    Good point

  71. OilClog says:

    At the moment I would trade Larsson for an 8 week rental of a Burlap sack, doesn’t even need to be a new sack or not have holes in it.

  72. Scungilli Slushy says:

    OilClog:
    At the moment I would trade Larsson for an 8 week rental of a Burlap sack, doesn’t even need to be a new sack or not have holes in it.

    That’s not a nice thing to call Hall!

  73. Klima's_Bucket says:

    OilClog,

    If you happen to come upon a Burlap sack like that, let me know.
    I’ve been looking for one for a while.

  74. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Larsson and JP for Ehlers and a decent prospect forward.

  75. OilClog says:

    Man I’m trying to sneak him into the party, quiet down nah!

  76. LMHF#1 says:

    How do you get an announcer fired?

    These sound effects coming out of Remenda are just ridiculous…in addition to his usual idiotic ramblings…

    Not sure what we did to deserve a shoddy radio team and Mr. San Jose…

  77. marty62 says:

    MacT is that you? Havernt been the Oilers GM for 5 years and youre still trying to give away our defensemen…

  78. OilClog says:

    I heard some dude Bragadant Reeferty has a line on them, haven’t been able to track him down yet. Seems to be pretty quick

  79. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Larsson NP Benson for Huberdeau and forward prospects.

  80. delooper says:

    Adam Larsson puts it on net, that one goes wide.

    Commentary for live action isn’t easy.

  81. OilClog says:

    Just need to trade for Thornton, Remenda will just sit there staring into his eyes. Silently

  82. Scungilli Slushy says:

    LMHF#1:
    How do you get an announcer fired?

    These sound effects coming out of Remenda are just ridiculous…in addition to his usual idiotic ramblings…

    Not sure what we did to deserve a shoddy radio team and Mr. San Jose…

    I can’t stand him. Won’t listen. At least Kim Mitchell is an engaging nice human.

  83. Scungilli Slushy says:

    If Thornton is lucky.

  84. OilClog says:

    How come Yamamoto is a better top 4 defender then Larsson

  85. Leroy Draisdale says:

    He does that 20 times a game! drives me nuts!

  86. flyfish1168 says:

    nelson88:
    Wild are a hard working team. Also quite dirty. Greenway needs to be filled in. Stupid Kassian

    Paging JJ

  87. Leroy Draisdale says:

    Weak ass goal

  88. OilClog says:

    Yes my son, do you have the Mike York I require?

    Larsson is more of a pylon with arms at the moment.

  89. leadfarmer says:

    Larsson go hit the showers

  90. fishman says:

    Larsson scores!

  91. LMHF#1 says:

    Nice tip Larsson…

    Oh….

  92. Leroy Draisdale says:

    Guess that evens up the Draisatl goal. Cmon boys, get it back!!

  93. OilClog says:

    I almost felt bad for #6 there, that’s a rough one.

  94. oilersfan says:

    Adam Larsson is having an awful game

  95. Professor Q says:

    flyfish1168: Paging JJ

    That should have been a High Stick call. Then, immediately after, Leon gets tossed out of the faceoff, randomly?

    You can tell that the officials don’t want this game to be tied.

  96. Gerta Rauss says:

    That was one ugly baby

    It’s uphill from here, MIN is gonna be tough to beat

  97. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Cue my rant about shot blocking.

    Get in the lane or let the goalie have it.

    Late sticks or dropping down leads to GA and or injuries

    Saving one GA and losing a starting player reg season is bad math.

  98. fishman says:

    Veteran Wild team checking the crap out of us. Nothing getting through to Wild net…

  99. oilersfan says:

    Minnesota has 3 goals by defencemen

    Oilers have one own goal by a defencemaN

    Something about the wild brings out the worst in the oilers

    Koskinen not exactly stellar

  100. Scungilli Slushy says:

    This game may change Grinder’s mind about Monday.

  101. delooper says:

    Is embellishment ever called in isolation?

    My vague memory is the only time that embellishment is called, is to cancel-out another penalty.

    Perhaps it’s in the rules that it’s the only way it can be called?

  102. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    Minny gets the lead late in game after never leading until that point. will probably be the game winner. Man, I hate being right. I’d much rather be happy.

  103. delooper says:

    My reading of the rulebook (rule 64) is embellishment can be called without another penalty.

  104. Leroy Draisdale says:

    Might be my fault. I said to myself when Yamo missed that opportunity in the first that that one may come back to haunt us. Sorry everyone,

  105. delooper says:

    The Larsson goal is maybe karma for the Draisaltl goal.

  106. delooper says:

    Draisaitl to Nurse was nice.

  107. N64 says:

    Crazy Pedestrian: Man, I hate being right. I’d much rather be happy.

    ~ odd reason to be on the internet ~

  108. delooper says:

    This would be a good time to turn Minnesota into hot ground beef, Oilers.

  109. Klima's_Bucket says:

    Why is Nurse still on the PP?

  110. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Tipp and Co need to teach shooting skills.

    Going 5 hole and low blocker with no feint doesn’t score much. Without movement.

    Scorers go top shelf because most goalies cover the bottom when the shooter is going straight up. The

  111. Leroy Draisdale says:

    man our PP sucks without McDavid

  112. N64 says:

    Oil and Flames lose

  113. Leroy Draisdale says:

    Fuckkkkkkkkk!

  114. delooper says:

    Gagner didn’t Gagner.

  115. leadfarmer says:

    OriginalPouzar: Klef isn’t playing until March.

    I don’t think they’ll rush McDavid back because of a loss – they’ll be sure.

    With that said, I’m not anticipating a regulation loss.

    Anticipate away

  116. Gerta Rauss says:

    That’s just shitty luck…broken stick for Nuge and then the puck works it way to Bear at the point just as Spurgeon exits the box and Bear didn’t see him

    That’s too bad

    Some nice things tonight but lots of room for improvement

  117. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Bed pooped. Nite all.

  118. marty62 says:

    At least the Flames lost

  119. Scungilli Slushy says:

    Gerta Rauss:
    That’s just shitty luck,,,broken stick for Nuge and then the puck works it way to Bear at the point just as Spurgeon exits the box and Bear didn’t see him

    That’s too bad

    One more – Gagner. Vet doesn’t help rookie, game over.

  120. Reja says:

    Enough of the bullshit Connor better be playing next game.

  121. Klima's_Bucket says:

    Would ya rather, Lennart Petrell or Patrick Russell?

  122. drglen says:

    bah… i’m disappointed. This was a winnable game.

    Some good and bad breaks, but ultimately not enough intensity, checking wise.

  123. Johnny skid says:

    Klima’s_Bucket:
    Would ya rather, Lennart Petrell or Patrick Russell?

    Russell.

  124. drglen says:

    Today belongs to the edmonton Kid Jared Spurgeon.

    Our bottom 9 looked bottom 6 ish today. All day.

    Give Bouchard a game. Sit Lagesson for a couple.

    Connor….. you’re playing.

  125. Gerta Rauss says:

    The 3 stars tonight laid end to end maybe adds up to 17 feet

    Maybe

  126. Harpers Hair says:

    OriginalPouzar: Klef isn’t playing until March.

    I don’t think they’ll rush McDavid back because of a loss – they’ll be sure.

    With that said, I’m not anticipating a regulation loss.

    How did that work out for you?

    I am wondering why you no longer provide the play by play of the Condor’s games.

  127. digger50 says:

    Tough crowd tonight:

    Larson a burlap sack
    Drai can’t skate, too much at icebtime
    Nurse can’t pass again
    Nuge is not a finisher
    Gagner a bad veteran

    Yamo was not too little again but he’ll be under fire if he doesn’t grow 6 inches by next game.

    It’s still not a great roster. How do we critize the top end while giving a pass to Cave, Russel or Haas?

    Team did a lot with a little so far. Tough crowd.

  128. JOFA says:

    Tough loss tonight. But the better team won.

    Shremp watch:

    6 GP 1 Pt.

    Needs to go back down once they get some bodies back

  129. gwdsfo says:

    Can we at least take solace that tonight’s loss will finally signify a means to an end of Jujhar Khaira as an Oiler? Can we now officially end the $1.2M salary dump audition? We have to sit him out on Sunday b/c of the trade deadline no?

  130. gwdsfo says:

    Tough call. Pretty much the same player.

  131. gwdsfo says:

    Excellent question.

  132. Side says:

    Harpers Hair: How did that work out for you?

    I am wondering why you no longer provide the play by play of the Condor’s games.

    I am wondering why you haven’t let go of the team that broke your heart 30 years ago.

  133. OriginalPouzar says:

    Harpers Hair: How did that work out for you?

    I am wondering why you no longer provide the play by play of the Condor’s games.

    Seriously, you are calling me out because I incorrectly predicted the outcome of a hockey game.

    Did you forget about your incorrect predictions over the last few months about, well, everything?

    I am wondering why you choose to post in an Oilers forum when you aren’t a fan of the Oilers?

  134. RonnieB says:

    Can’t trade Larsson without a reasonable RD coming back in the deal. So…

    Larsson plus ?? to Florida for Vatrano plus Weegar. ?

    Larsson plus Chiasson plus 2020 1st to Florida for Trochek plus Weegar ?

  135. drglen says:

    Dont go to bed! Stay up and whine about the game like me. !

    Jones made many great passes, under stress at times.

    Haas… I just don’t know anymore. hes a good disruptive forechecker and heads north with a lot of steam and promise, but it just never amounts to anything. I would not renew at this point.

    Khaira.. . time to cut anchor.

    Larsson was a step behind tonight and not as committed in the corner battles.

    Koskinen was good. Cult of hockey grades too low. He stopped many point blank shots in traffic that didn’t really register. Several big time saves. No run support and I’m going to point to our forward group in particular for soft and slow coverage leading to goals against. Forecheck was also basically absent and Wild had rush after rush of clean and convincing breakouts.

    fialas goal where he beat lagesson was high level hands and skill, got to give him that one.

  136. leadfarmer says:

    Harpers Hair: How did that work out for you?

    I am wondering why you no longer provide the play by play of the Condor’s games.

    He’s too busy trying to find a Brogan Rafferty Jersey
    Must have been a mad rush for them
    Those things are impossible to find

  137. Todd Macallan says:

    This.

  138. Todd Macallan says:

    And this.

  139. Reja says:

    Side: I am wondering why you haven’t let go of the team that broke your heart 30 years ago.

    I would say he was never a fan, back in the eighties in Edmonton there was 1 or 2 out of ten that cheered against the Oilers for no other reason than for the attention and to get a rise out of folks. Today they’re called Trolls

  140. Boiled-in-Oil says:

    Harpers Hair,

    I almost never comment but I had to log in to let you know how childish I find you. Seriously, this need to “own” someone iis really not befitting someone your age. Seriously, just fuck off.

  141. Numenius says:

    Good game and effort overall, considering the lineup. Could have gone either way.

  142. Reja says:

    When Connor got shutdown this morning I think the team had a bit of a let down. I’ll bet dollars for doughnuts he’s playing in LA and gets this team back on track.

  143. Numenius says:

    HH would really do the blog a favour by staying away.

  144. Wilde says:

    Bakersfield Condors vs. San Diego Gulls; February 21st, 2020; deployment

    Gambardella – Granlund – Currie

    Stukel – McLeod – Maksimov

    Vesey – Esposito – Hebig
    Koules – Starrett – Peluso

    Manning – Samorukov
    Kulevich – Persson

    Lowe – Day

    after 20

    17CF-25CA
    14FF-14FA
    0GF-2GA

    Top F: Granlund (0.46 Gane Score)
    1 shot attempt, 2 shot assists
    1 penalty drawn
    10CF-7CA
    8FF-5FA
    0GF-0GA

    Top D: Lowe (0.26 Game Score)
    2 shot attempts, 1 shot assist
    6CF-4CA
    6FF-3FA
    0GF-0GA

    after 40

    29CF-37CA
    18FF-20FA
    1GF-2GA

    Top F: Granlund (0.81 Game Score)
    2 shot attempts, 4 shot assists
    1 penalty drawn
    17CF-10CA
    10FF-7FA
    0GF-0GA

    Top D: Manning (0.51 Game Score)
    1 shot attempt, 2 shot assist
    1 assist
    9CF-13CA
    5FF-9FA
    1GF-2GA

  145. Wilde says:

    Bakersfield Condors vs. San Diego Gulls; February 21st, 2020; game totals

    38CF-52CA
    22FF-30FA
    1GF-3GA

    Top F: Koules (0.46 Game Score)
    2 shot attempts, 2 shot assists
    11CF-9CA
    7FF-4FA
    1GF-0GA

    Top D: Manning (0.61 Game Score)
    1 shot attempt, 2 shot assists
    1 assist, 1 pen taken
    14CF-14CA
    7FF-10FA
    1GF-2GA

  146. Munny says:

    Per the Edmonton Yournal.

    Elliotte Friedman of Sportsnet said he thought the Oilers had taken a look at Tyler Ennis of Ottawa, who is an Unrestricted Free Agent this summer.

    Ennis? Did somebody say “ENNIS”?

    Bob Stauffer said of Ennis: “Ennis is in the price range that makes sense for the Oilers. Think of guys around in and around $1.0 millon or less (per year).”

    Jesus, there he is again.

    Go find yer own damn trade targets, media bigwigs.

    Dis one’s miiiiiiine.

    #bluelightspecial
    #cleanupinaislethree

  147. Munny says:

    digger50:
    Tough crowd tonight:

    Larson a burlap sack
    Drai can’t skate, too much at icebtime
    Nurse can’t pass again
    Nuge is not a finisher
    Gagner a bad veteran

    Yamowas not too little again but he’ll be under fire if he doesn’t grow 6 inches by next game.

    It’s still not a great roster. How do we critize the top end while giving a pass to Cave, Russel or Haas?

    Team did a lot with a little so far. Tough crowd.

    I’m with you on this one, bro.

  148. Munny says:

    delooper:
    Gagner didn’t Gagner.

    One of my favourite posts of the game.

    Delooper, you’ve been MIA for a good long while. Great to see you’re alive n kickin,

  149. Munny says:

    Gerta Rauss: That was one ugly baby

    Nice Seinfeld reference…

  150. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    I am wondering why you choose to post in an Oilers forum when you aren’t a fan of the Oilers?

    He posts here because he’ll get the response he’s looking for from some of the posters here, including you.

  151. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    leadfarmer: This made me giggle
    I don’t know how many times I told you this in the last decade

    “If you are disregarding how a coach uses a player you are missing a critical piece of the puzzle unless you think you are smarter than the guys that work with the player every day”
    “You can’t compare bottom of the roster raw data to top of the roster”
    And for that I got called a Neanderthal stats hater
    So many memories

    Yes, when I bitched on LT’s blog about Kesler winning the Selke in 2011 when Sedin and Maholtra has tougher QoC (according to Gabe’s site, which was basically it back then) I had no idea about QoC and needed Papa Leadfarmer to teach me.

    Yes, GMoney and I had no idea about QoC which is why we discussed it for years and spent so much time and money developing a model for it.

    What color is the sky in your world?

    Did you mail yourself those posts and bury them under your porch so you can prove they were your ideas?

  152. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    leadfarmer:
    Still shocks me how many people had Arizona winning the Pacific when they didnt have a single top line forward.
    At least they traded for Hall to have one top line forward.
    Kessel in a 3rd liner pp specialist like Neal
    Keller how in the heck did he get that contract.Hes got the skills but he’s what everyone was worried Yamamoto was going to be,A perimeter player

    Still shocked that you can’t tell the difference between “had ARI winning the Pacific” with “10-1 is a great price for this bet”

    Wait a minute…..

    I’m not shocked at all.

  153. meanashell11 says:

    The guy took a personal shot at him and he responded. HH should just leave.

  154. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    jp:
    Not following this one… You mean the one season they overlapped?

    Don’t try to inject facts into Andy’s narratives, they don’t fit.

  155. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    I must have missed the shot. (serious by the way, still catching up on the thread)

  156. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Bag of Pucks: As we well know as Oiler fans, having an analytics department and being analytics led are two different things.

    To qualify as analytics led, I would suggest ownership needs to be driving the cultural adoption of analytics with the owner likely having some core expertise in same and the GM hire reflects a similar level of commitment and expertise. This is the types of clubs I was referring to. AZ, TO, NJ, FLA

    The ones that successfully integrate it should undoubtedly have a competitive advantage over time. But as Dubas has shown, calculating the value of a player and successfully negotiating that value are two seperate skillsets.

    Oilers have never had an “analytics department”

    Your focus on Dubas is weird.

    He runs a team that finished with over 100+ points in the last two seasons and lost his 1D since Jan 12th and 1G for extended periods of time this season while being on pace for 95 points.

    I don’t get it.

    The worst thing he did was his 2G this year as far I can see.

    Agreed that he got owned by Marner’s agent. Very similar to Pete and Drai’s agent except Dubas didn’t get the term he should have out of that contract.

  157. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    But seriously, DSF barely chums the water here and the fish just start jumping into his boat.

  158. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Scungilli Slushy:If anyone who is an Oiler fan can’t recognize disaster in TO they don’t get NHL hockey.

    Nylander is a talented player. Some girls are pretty but are assholes and make lousy partners.

    Of course you need to score goals to win, but the game runs deeper than simply that.

    Nylander is a better finishing Eberle. OK if you can shelter them at the right price, but when the whistles go away I’m not convinced. And I’m talking choker of the like. Some players don’t like to get their noses dirty.

    If Ovechkin says you have to grind to win a Cup you know it’s true. The Leafs are the modern BoB Oilers.

    Nice hair, no hair on ass.

    18-19 playoffs

    5v5 goal share
    Nylander (4-1) 80%

    Eberle (6-2) 75%

    Blaming the best players on a team for the team’s failure is the Lennart Petrell of sports opinions.

  159. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    digger50,

    Nuge is not a finisher

    I too blame the player with 2 of the 3 goals for not finishing.

    Since Jan 1st he’s only 14th in the NHL is 5v5 goals scored!

    He better work on his game!!

  160. Cassandra says:

    Scungilli Slushy:
    Tipp and Co need to teach shooting skills.

    Going 5 hole and low blocker with no feint doesn’t score much. Without movement.

    Scorers go top shelf because most goalies cover the bottom when the shooter is going straight up. The

    Man, this is dumb. Goals go in 5 hole all the time. On purpose.

    Also the team got outshot and outchanced and your solution is they need to become better shooters?

    That’s like saying the problem is effort and they should try harder, as if trying harder was a strategy.

  161. v4ance says:

    It’s kinda funny.

    Last game against the Bruins, the attitude after the game was to give the team a pass for the loss because they were shorthanded.

    This loss against the Wild; not so much.. Was it because the team wasn’t as sharp or tenacious as the previous game? It’s not like we got any healthier between the two games. Also, posters were talking as if the Minny team should have been a gimme. They were 7-3-0 in their past 10 and fighting for their playoff lives. I felt Minnesota was the better team last night and we got the deserved result.

    ***

    I thought Koskinen played great early on but had a few bad bounces later in the game.

    The first goal, Fiala recovered the rebound with speed and Lagesson made a mistake trying to go for the puck instead of just taking the body. The second, Soucy scored past a screen provided by Archibald. The third, Spurgeon had all kinds of time to wind up for a full slapshot from the faceoff dot. The fourth was deflected in by Larsson but otherwise, Koski was in position to make the save.

  162. OriginalPouzar says:

    Woodguy v2.0:
    OriginalPouzar,

    I am wondering why you choose to post in an Oilers forum when you aren’t a fan of the Oilers?

    He posts here because he’ll get the response he’s looking for from some of the posters here, including you.

    and I’m fine with corresponding with him generally and its fun most of the time – its enjoyable watching him make straw man arguments, move the goalposts, cherrypick information, etc.

    Most of these “conversations” are later in the evening, between 9-11, when the comments are generally pretty slow on here.

  163. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    OriginalPouzar: and I’m fine with corresponding with him generally and its fun most of the time – its enjoyable watching him make straw man arguments, move the goalposts, cherrypick information, etc.

    Most of these “conversations” are later in the evening, between 9-11, when the comments are generally pretty slow on here.

    It great that you take it for what it is. That’s the key.

    He pissed me off for years until I smartened up about what he does and now I think its quite funny if it doesn’t delve into personal shots.

    Its also not coincidence that 9-11 are “drinking hours”

  164. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    v4ance:
    It’s kinda funny.

    Last game against the Bruins, the attitude after the game was to give the team a pass for the loss because they were shorthanded.

    This loss against the Wild; not so much..Was it because the team wasn’t as sharp or tenacious as the previous game? It’s not like we got any healthier between the two games.Also, posters were talking as if the Minny team should have been a gimme.They were 7-3-0 in their past 10 and fighting for their playoff lives.I felt Minnesota was the better team last night and we got the deserved result.

    ***

    I thought Koskinen played great early on but had a few bad bounces later in the game.

    The first goal, Fiala recovered the rebound with speed and Lagesson made a mistake trying to go for the puck instead of just taking the body.The second, Soucy scored past a screen provided by Archibald.The third, Spurgeon had all kinds of time to wind up for a full slapshot from the faceoff dot.The fourth was deflected in by Larsson but otherwise, Koski was in position to make the save.

    I think there is less of a pass because most of the goals against were due to poor play.

    I think everyone was pretty pissed about the reffing (or lack-thereof) and that anger needs to get channeled somewhere.

    I saw Larsson, Lagesson and Khaira pretty bad yesterday.

  165. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Cassandra: Man, this is dumb.Goals go in 5 hole all the time.On purpose.

    Also the team got outshot and outchanced and your solution is they need to become better shooters?

    That’s like saying the problem is effort and they should try harder, as if trying harder was a strategy.

    Funny thing is that the fancystats has EDM as a “low quantity-high quality” shooting team.

    Its slipped a bit since McHeyHey went down as most of his shots and chances that he creates are high quality.

  166. v4ance says:

    “Between stimulus and response, there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. ” Viktor Frankl

  167. Bag of Pucks says:

    Woodguy v2.0: Oilers have never had an “analytics department”

    Your focus on Dubas is weird.

    He runs a team that finished with over 100+ points in the last two seasons and losthis 1D since Jan 12th and 1G for extended periods of time this season while being on pace for 95 points.

    I don’t get it.

    The worst thing he did was his 2G this year as far I can see.

    Agreed that he got owned by Marner’s agent.Very similar to Pete and Drai’s agent except Dubas didn’t get the term he should have out of that contract.

    I don’t have a particular ‘focus’ on Dubas. Another poster had anointed him as the best GM in the league and I felt that warranted another perspective as he does have some warts, particularly on the contract negotiation and cap management side.

    Two questions. Do you like the Tavares add in light of how it impacted their subsequent contracts and cap?

    Do you see a long range plan playing out in TO? Or does it seem a bit short range and reactive?

  168. Bag of Pucks says:

    My lovely wife had the temerity to arrange a dinner party on game night. The horror! So i’ll be watching last night’s game today on PVR already knowing the result.

    Anyone else do this? It’s a weird phenomenon. I find my assessment of their play is way more objective when I’m not emotionally invested in the result. You can watch the game like a coach or scout would.

  169. Woodguy v2.0 says:

    Bag of Pucks: I don’t have a particular ‘focus’ on Dubas. Another poster had anointed him as the best GM in the league and I felt that warranted another perspective as he does have some warts, particularly on the contract negotiation and cap management side.

    Two questions. Do you like the Tavares add in light of how it impacted their subsequent contracts and cap?

    Do you see a long range plan playing out in TO? Or does it seem a bit short range and reactive?

    Ah. Was scrolling the thread and it came across that Dubas was your axe to grind. Best GM in the league is a bit much, but I think he’s good.

    Tavares has been one of the best in the NHL vs Elites since he signed that contract .

    Last year he had 47.1% TOI vs Elites, 52.3% DFF and 73.5% (!) GF

    That’s just nutty and dominating those minutes is critical.

    His results vs Elite has been worse this year, but his two most common Dmen are Holl and Barrie, not who you want vs Elites. His wingers have been in constant rotation too.

    No problem with the Tavares contract. Adding a legit high end #1 for nothing but money is good business.

    Gave Marner too much. If you’re going to give him that much at least get 8 years like Pete did with Drai and not 6.

    As for plan, his off season work this past summer seems to be mostly centered around getting rid of Lou’s shitty contracts.

    Paying a 1st to be rid of Marleau.

    Taking on Ceci and his expiring contract to be done with Zaitsev’s bizarre contract.

    I didn’t like his Kadri move, best value contract he had, but can see why he thought he had to move him.

    Taking Barrie for a test drive with an expiring contract was good along with ostensibly getting his 3C replacement in Kerfoot (which has mixed results)

    Adding Muzzin was a very good move and it sounds like he’ll resign so he’ll have his 1 & 2 LHD in Rielly and Muzzin for a while.

    They need better D and his moves this summer looked built to be able to do that this summer.

    He’s got good young D in Sandin, Dermott, Liljegren and Holl, but needs help at 1RD in a big way so I expect him to figure that out this summer.

    He seems to have a reasonable plan.

    It might involve trading one of his wingers for a Dman but Nylander at 6.9 for 4 more years isn’t the one I’d move.

    Like I said when Peter overpaid Drai, if you’re going to overpay, its best to do it at the top of the roster.

    I don’t see any overpays to non-core players and they have a good conveyor belt of ELCs and RFAs aged players to supplement the high prices ones.

    He needs better goaltending and his coaches to deploy Andersson less, he has the 3rd most TOI of any goalie in the league from the beginning of last season until his injury. We’ll see if Campbell can do that for him.

    His only reactive move that I can see was for his backup and that was a mess of his own doing.

  170. who says:

    The Tavares, and perhaps Muzzin, contracts are red flags to me. Dubas will be paying guys into their mid thirties who are average skaters. Tavares is still a good player, but how good will he be in year 5, 6 and 7?
    That signing always appeared gratuitous to me. Dubas already had his stud forwards. I think he miscalculated how much that contract would affect his RFA contracts.
    Someone suggested here that Chia set the bar, and inflated the market, for future RFA contracts with the Draisaitl contract at 8.5 million. If that’s true, why did Dubas pay 11 million for Matthews and Marner? With a lot less term?

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