How Long is How Long?

by Lowetide
  1. Tyler Pitlick 420
  2. Magnus Paajarvi 346
  3. Jujhar Khaira 337
  4. Kailer Yamamoto 253
  5. Ryan McLeod 234
  6. Dylan Holloway 104
  7. Tyler Benson 38
  8. Raphael Lavoie 7
  9. Curtis Hamilton 1

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hunter1909

How about if anyone comes up with a detailed assessment of how they rate each and every one of the Oilers new players this year so far?

cowboy bill

Trent Frederick is rumored to be on the trade block out of Boston. He might be a forward Edmonton would have interest in. He will be UFA after this season at $2.3M. I know I would be making a call to the Bruins to see what would be wanted in return for his services. Money in Money out of course. Maybe Jeff Skinner with some money retained.

LMHF#1

That might be the worst trade take I’ve seen in years.

cowboy bill

Do you think Frederic wouldn’t be a good addition? I don’t understand your logic.

LMHF#1

Jeff Skinner is an excellent hockey player who will likely score a bunch of goals for the Oilers this year, and is exactly the kind of depth you want in the playoffs.

You’re not only proposing to trade him for an inferior hockey player – but retaining salary.

cowboy bill

I agree Jeff Skinner is a good hockey player, who may not necessarily be a good fit for this Oiler hockey team and has mainly been used in the bottom six. Which is why we keep hearing he is on the trade block. Frederic is a different kind of player that could add a physical edge to the bottom six, who happens to be six years younger than Skinner, and both are UFA next season. Not to mention who may be a better fit with the team. I’m not proposing anything. I just think Frederic might be a valuable addition.

DevilsLettuce

If the Oilers are trading Jeff Skinner I hope they’re aiming at a team with a defender they want rather then a expensive 4th line winger. Yes I know he’s listed as a center, he’s just one that couldn’t win a draw against a wet paper bag.

cowboy bill

That’s true his FO% is 42% that’s why the Bruins like to use him on RW. He’s got a physical edge that would bolster the bottom six, plus he’s scored 18 goals this past season for the Bruins & 17 the year before. I’m not saying they should trade Skinner; I was thinking of options available via trade with the Bruins to attain his services.

Last edited 1 year ago by cowboy bill
Reja

We need some grunts after we burn out Podkolzin and Perry. I was hoping Jarventie would swoop in after Christmas. There’s a reason we got him for 50 Cents on the Dollar the kid is a hypochondriac.

cowboy bill

Podz isn’t burning out anytime soon. But Perry, we’ll see. I would love to see the Oilers line up including Podkolzin, Frederic & Kane.

OriginalPouzar

From the two games I watched him play, Jarventie is not the type of player you describe.

Reja

Hard on the forecheck in the middle of things not easy to play against.

OriginalPouzar

I still don’t think he’s the player style you are envisioning – he’s not busting ass in on every dump looking to bang bodies. At least not from the 2 games I watched.

Last edited 1 year ago by OriginalPouzar
Reja

Then what good is he?

OriginalPouzar

I would suggest there are various types of player style that can help a hockey team win.

hunter1909

Actually now is the time to fleece Boston in some form of massive trade involving Hyman and a goalie plus Nurse – then I woke up.

Benign Bone

@AHockey1993

Since October 15th the Edmonton Oilers are 7-4-1. At 5v5:

-Getting a .926 SV% (8th)
-Have outscored opponents 27-19
-Have a 55.42 xGF% (4th)
-Have a 57.29 HDCF% (4th)
-100.7 PDO

Once they solve the PK, this team is about to go win a TON of games.”

This helps put the season into perspective quite nicely.

cowboy bill

The start to this season has been better than last. Just think how this season would be if they could kill off a penalty, and if they could score on the power play.
Special teams have been horrendous.

barry.moore23

Thanks for the Monday cheer. Now go listen to some Pantera and think about what you’ve done. 🙂 🙂 🙂

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYfljBCpmE4

cowboy bill

Here we go guys. How about trade Darnell Nurse to Buffalo for Henri Jokiharju & Mattias Samuelsson?

DexandRuby

Nurse would be their 4th best left handed dman. Not even Chiarelli would do this.

cowboy bill

It would be great from an Oiler point of view. Laughable from a Saber point of view.

MushedPeas

I’m just hoping that Right Side Nurse suddenly and magically sees the ice better and we can finally rely on him like the stud he should be. I think that mentally he has struggled, or struggled in new ways, since signing that fat contract (and y’know, injuries). Time to get him out of his own head and playing like he can. likely. play?

cowboy bill

Maybe in Buffalo he might see the ice better on the right side. LOL. Paired with Owen Power, or Rasmus Dahlin.
Oilers could have a nice second pair with Samuelsson & Jokiharju.

Last edited 1 year ago by cowboy bill
hunter1909

Nurse is an Oiler for years to come.

Coffey should be able to focus a lot on Nurse this season and by playoffs Nurse is going to be making close to his cap hit.

Someone with more understanding about contracts might be able to say exactly when Oilers can ship him out whether he likes it or not to 10 destinations or something.

Apologies for my lack of up to date information.

Last edited 1 year ago by hunter1909
DexandRuby

Matt Benning on waivers now. Too bad we can’t claim him and send Dermott down. I believe the veteran issue would again be a problem. The extra salary on Benning as well not ideal as a 7th dman.

When I saw AA is also on waivers I had to go to puckpedia to double check his salary. 4+ million! I assumed they’d made a mistake saying annual and maybe they meant it was the total of the 2 year contract. Nope AA in fact makes over 4 million per year lol.

OriginalPouzar

If the Oilers thought that claiming Matt Benning would the NHL team, I don’t think the veteran issue in Bako would stop them.

Benning is at near $500K over league min and is signed for next season.

I haven’t paid attention to him recently but I do no that Jason Demers was a hard no on a claim and doesn’t think he’s an NHL player any longer – he’d prefer a Philp call up.

winchester

Lost me here

Optimism is like heroin

With Savoie I believe the plan will be to keep him playing 20 plus minutes until the deadline. At that point he is the cheap player to replace anyone moved out in a deal. If the deadline is played right we should get a top 4 rhd and top 6 offensive winger while only paying for the dman.

cowboy bill

Evander Kane will be reappearing by that time too. Do they really need a top six winger? Or are they better served with a top four Dman. OR maybe even a good goaltender.

Optimism is like heroin

The top 6 guy coming in would be Savoie. Then we fix that and go top 9 offensive winger.
Trick is money as always, I think we will need to move cap out to bring in any real assets. This all depends on injuries from now until then. Right now we are set for a 5 million cushion at the tdl. That of course is only if no ther call ups are needed until March.

As to Goalie that’s a rough topic. Skinner is very streaky, when he is on he looks great but those bad games are horrid.

cowboy bill

What makes you think Savoie would or could play in the top six this early in his career?
Not even Kane will be guaranteed a place in the top six on his return. There’re so many things that could possibly go wrong it’s tough to put a handle on anything. On the other hand, good fortune could prevail. It’s crazy.

Optimism is like heroin

Talent is why he can play in our top 9. I did correct that in my first reply.

I would think he will make a bigger difference than Kane when they both are in the NHL this season. Kane will not be in mid season shape like a guy who played first line minutes all season.

Goal will be to have 4 lines and just as a quick thought process this is how I think it will play out.

McDavid, RNH, Hyman.
Draistl, Skinner, Arvidsson.
Henrique, Kane, Savoie.
Philp, Janmark, Brown
Perry, Podkolzin.
3 offensive lines with a pk line for tough dzone times.

cowboy bill

OH… You’re back pedaling now. It looks wonderful on paper. Do you think there’s any truth to moving out Jeff Skinner> And do you think Podz is a good fit with Leon? There are just too many possibilities to consider..

Optimism is like heroin

I corrected myself after your first reply, not back peddling just agree that was a high bar.

Moving Skinner out …. maybe we will see by March.
Podz as a good fit ….. let’s let that sample fill out a little before judgements.

Besides my writing a line up does not mean there is no room for change as line ups are very fluid based on recent play and injuries.

OriginalPouzar

Won’t be quite the same but Kane hadn’t played in 3 months or so when he joined the Oilers in 2022 – didn’t take him long to catch up to the NHL…..

Optimism is like heroin

He was fully healthy and training at that time from what I recall.
It might be better to expect the Kane we got back after the skate cut.

Last edited 1 year ago by Optimism is like heroin
hunter1909

Kane has the superstar ability to always show up for games. Like McDavid, Jagr and before him Kane is unstoppable and therefore is worth keeping on IR until March lol

Bruce McCurdy

The 2010 Draft was a major one for the Oilers, with 11 picks representing the most of any draft in the cap era not to mention their first #1 overall.

Taylor Hall was on the vanguard of “late birthday” forwards, & of course he made the NHL right away. More problematic were the next 3 forwards, Tyler Pitlick, Curtis Hamilton, & Ryan Martindale, late birthdays all. All were turned pro in 2011 when each was 19, despite different circumstances— Hamilton had 4 years in the Dub by then, Pitlick just 1 — & they wound up getting in each other’s way. Todd Nelson had a strategy for a while of alternate healthy scratching 1 of the 2. Both were a hundred miles removed from special teams opportunities. Then injuries hit.

it was a beginning of a long fascination with late birthday selections, esp in the forward ranks. Despite just 30% likelihood of being born Sep 16 or later, the following were Edmonton’s top forward selections from the 13-year span 2010-22:

2010 Taylor Hall LB
2011 Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
2012 Nail Yakupov LB
2013 Marco Roy LB
2014 Leon Draisiatl LB
2015 Connor McDavid
2016 Jesse Puljujarvi
2017 Kailer Yamamoto LB
2018 Ryan McLeod LB
2019 Raphael Lavoie LB
2020 Dylan Holloway LB
2021 Xavier Bourgault LB
2022 Reid Schaefer LB

So 10/13 = 76% against 30% odds. 5 of the last 6 had birthdays in the second half of September for pete’s sake, making them the oldest of their draft class so perhaps appeared more advanced? All turned pro just 1 year later making them among the youngest of their rookie class,

Some good players in there obv. but not sure it was a winning strategy overall.

Last edited 1 year ago by Bruce McCurdy
MushedPeas

Ah 2010. We thought it was magnificent but it turned out like always.

hunter1909

Sure, but Once McDavid signs Oilers have got between 7 and 10 contending seasons ahead of them.

OriginalPouzar

I’d like to give a shoutout to Jesse Puljujarvi who’s rookie season in the AHL is highly underrated in my opinion.

Once he finally got sent down right after he hit 40 games on the NHL roster (to vest a year of service towards UFA status – a “deal” I’m positive his agent had with management), he had 28 points in 39 games as a fresh 18 year old, the youngest player in the league.

That AHL season from Jesse, at that age, was excellent.

hunter1909

JP had Gordie Howe size and always seemed strangely dangerous to the opposition.

OriginalPouzar

The Oilers have a young man in the AHL (Matthew Savoie) who is playing well for the Bakersfield Condors. It was an eventful week. It looked like he could miss some time to injury, but instead he delivered a goal and an assist last night in the Vancouver suburbs. It’s way to early to draw conclusions on Savoie, but how well is he playing? Compared to Edmonton’s AHL ‘kids at 20’ over recent history? He’s doing well.

Its different watching Savoie than some of the other higher touted players in Bako such as Holloway and Yamo. Those two had very high motors and were noticeable shift in and shift out. Savoie doesn’t play to that tempo but he’s noticeable a few times again when he shows high end puck skills and/or smart.

He’s get better hands than either of those other two.

I think Savoie could be one of those players that’s more effective at the NHL level than the AHL level as he will have more skill and hockey smarts to play with.

Great pass for goal and great one-timer to finish a sweet play by Griffith.

His boxcars don’t jump but he’s playing on a very light offensive team, in particular with the injuries and call-ups.

cowboy bill

I worry about his size, like I worried about Yamamoto’s size. Plus, I think the team misses Ryan MacLeod. So, if it were up to me, I never would have made that trade in the first place.

OriginalPouzar

Yamamoto needed to “play in the guts of the game” to be effective – he needed to play in the inside and disrupt on the forecheck to be effective – his game required initiating contact (and it invited contact).

Savoie doesn’t shy away, and he does engage and initiate, but his game isn’t predicated on it – he’s got more skill and that is his calling card, from what I’ve seen.

I also think that Savoie has a thicker/stalkier build than Yamo.

cowboy bill

I agree. But he’s still on the small side.
I see a comparable to Caufield of the Canadiens.
We can only hope.

Last edited 1 year ago by cowboy bill
Scungilli Slushy

Savoie is listed ’27’ pounds heavier at 1 inch taller

hunter1909

You didn’t need to worry about Yamamoto’s size.

He was too small to play more than a few seasons in the NHL, and that’s in itself no mean feat.

If he loves to play hockey, he should go and play in Switzerland

Richard Roma

The early returns on the McLeod trade don’t look good.

Undersized forward with 8 points in 12 games in the AHL in his draft plus 3.

cowboy bill

Who knows what the future holds with Savoie. But… What happened to win now?

OriginalPouzar

One could use “draft plus 3” or one could use “as a 20 year old in the first year of his ELC – a rookie pro” – depends on the narrative right?

Also, one could include the context of the team and player that has been provided in the blog and comments – 8 points in 12 games is not as underwhelming as it looks on first blush.

Todd Macallan

Funny to be reminded of Kyle Platzer, he is exactly the first player I thought of when William Nicholl was drafted, due to the several similarities of their draft year circumstances for the Knights. Early days but very positive arrows for Nicholl so far!

Last edited 1 year ago by Todd Macallan
John Chambers

With the new NCAA rules I wonder whether the AHL or 1-2 years of college is the better option for CHL grads.

I feel like a lot of our prospects fail at age 20 because the jump from Junior to AAA Pro is too overwhelming.

norm2015

imagine if most prospects could play CHL until 18/19 then NCAA until 22 then AHL . development would help but they would take spots from others in schools

Horsocky

I’m fine with that, there are plenty of schools for kids that are not trying to turn pro as a first option.
I think the programs will sort themselves out, some schools will trend more towards the temporary prospects & others will focus more on the 4 yr student athletes.
Or perhaps a healthy mix.

Optimism is like heroin

I wonder. Drafting kids is a crap shoot. Would now be a good time to talk about raising the draft age by a year. There is going to be alot of chaos from this change already.

meanashell11

I find it very difficult to get revved up for these prospects as very few every play for the big team. They never had it or they find it after we give up on them. Such a sad record.

meanashell11

Who would give this a down vote! I agree but even those who had some game, we just gave up too quickly or lost them to mistakes by management. And now the cupboard is bare. I wish Eberle was still here. Miss him a lot.

dcsj

Moves like that created a lot of cynicism in the fan base too

cowboy bill

I miss Adam Larson more than Taylor Hall. Oilers were fleeced on both trades.

Reja

The loss of Larsson for basically nothing was huge. He should of been signed or traded. We all know the circumstances but the bottom line is Holland was the boss and we lost a valuable trade chip that cost us big time on the domino effect of replacing Adam.

cowboy bill

Shit happens.

OriginalPouzar

The Oilers tried hard to sign Larsson – they had contract talks leading for months leading up to the end of that regular season – it wasn’t until the end that Larsson decided that he couldn’t re-sign in Edmonton.

There was no time to trade him and I am quite certain noone would have been in favor of trading him at the deadline when the Oilers were a playoff team.

That was circumstances – not management.

OriginalPouzar

I thought that Ryan Strome outperformed Eberle in the 2-3-4 years after that trade, in particular if one is talking value for cap hit.

The Strome for Spooner trade, on the other hand……..

Reja

I don’t care who you are Sather traded Coffey it’s all about the team. Larsson was heading to free agency and was not signed. As a team first G.M there has to be a line in the sand by which Larsson needed to be signed or we are trading you. Same thing would of applied with Leon if he wasn’t signed by such and such a date let the auction begin. A team first G.M can’t be all buddy-buddy with everyone in saying that we lost Broberg and Holloway in a ambush from a buddy of Holland & Sons.

cowboy bill

It wasn’t about money. He wasn’t going to sign in Edmonton for personnel reasons. So, they left him unprotected. Seattle claimed him and signed him for less money than what Edmonton would have signed him for.

Reja

I know the scenario if he’s not signing you trade him. You don’t allow valuable commodities to walk for free. When your making a shade less than it cost for the six-million dollar man you can’t continue to leak assets left-right-centre.

OriginalPouzar

1) They did NOT know he wasn’t signing

2) As a pending UFA, the teams that would have been looking to acquire him were playoff teams looking to move futures for rentals.

You are suggesting that the manager make the team materially worse heading in to the stretch run when the team was gearing up for a playoff run – while the player was in active negotiations with the team.

OriginalPouzar

Sather would have traded an important roster player for draft picks/prospects as the Oilers geared up for a playoff run? I’m not so sure about that.

cowboy bill

Strome solidified himself at 3c. It was a real head scratcher trading him for Spooner of all players.

Gaz Gazzersson

The Decade of Darkness crushed a lot of dreams, or at least derailed them. Imagine having a Pajaarvi waiting in the wings now, expectations and deployment would be so different…

Richard Roma

The DOD was an adventure.

I actually find it harder now.it’s 3 am and most of the pretty girls left over an hour ago. There’s still a few people mixing drinks or dancing to the music, but the party’s already over. The people still mulling about are just trying to figure it out.

The Oilers have a clapped-out prospect cupboard and a mostly aged-out roster.

Holland and Bowman have completed the trifecta: capped out, clapped-out, and aged-out.