Stop that Train

I’ve watched Mike Smith for years, he’s an interesting goaltender. A gigantic human, he’s also very active (most nervous energy athlete I’ve ever seen: Steve Rogers) and tends to be involved, even overinvolved if that’s a word.

Oilers fans don’t care on this crisp Thursday morning. Mike Smith is suddenly wildly popular in good old our town. All he had to do is stop a mountain of rubber and grab a handsome dollop of good luck.

As for Leon Draisaitl, the big German train ran on time, ran over the Canucks, ran the show and leads the NHL in scoring. Hockey is back, and the Oilers best players appear to be better than ever.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of The Athletic, we are celebrating our 2-year anniversary this week. To mark the occasion, you can get 40% off subscriptions here.

  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: No need to temper expectations after Connor McDavid’s season debut for Oilers
  • Lowetide: Ken Holland has a plan for the Oilers’ top prospects.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: At home with Ken Holland: Packing away the championship memories and preparing for a new challenge
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Q&A: Oscar Klefbom on being a mentor, his strategy for staying healthy and saying goodbye to a friend.
  • Daniel and Jon: Ten bold (and not so bold) predictions for the Oilers this season
  • Lowetide: The Oilers are poised to break a 25-year-old franchise record this season
  • Lowetide: Jesse Puljujarvi’s fast start leads the way for Oilers prospects as 2019-20 gets underway
  • Lowetide: Joakim Nygard and Gaetan Haas bid for final Oilers spots during a strange game in Calgary
  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: An educated guess at the Oilers’ opening-night roster
  • Lowetide: Jay Woodcroft’s Bakersfield Condors might be bound for glory
  • Jonathan Willis: Ethan Bear, Tomas Jurco outshine the competition in second-to-last Oilers preseason game
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Joakim Nygard managing his anger as he eyes spot on Oilers.
  • Jonathan Willis: Assessing the Oilers’ roster as the final positional battles are sorted out
  • Jonathan Willis: Oilers cut Evan Bouchard and Shane Starrett. Is Ethan Bear on the cusp of making the team?
  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Connor McDavid’s nearing return and four other things we’ve learned from Oilers camp
  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: How five months in Kelowna changed Leon Draisaitl’s hockey career
  • Lowetide: Matt Benning may be vulnerable to a trade as Ken Holland works to tweak Oilers roster
  • Corey Pronman: Oilers No. 9 farm system.
  • Lowetide: Oilers top 20 prospects summer 2019.

Oilers in October

  • Oilers in October 20150-1-0, goal differential -2
  • Oilers in October 2016: 1-0-0, goal differential +3
  • Oilers in October 2017: 1-0-0, goal differential +3
  • Oilers in October 2018: 0-1-0, goal differential -3
  • Oilers in October 2019: 1-0-0, goal differential +1

Too soon to know, but wins are better than losses (hey, you come here for the truth) and there were some positives from last night.

WHAT TO EXPECT FROM OCTOBER

  • At home to: Vancouver, Los Angeles (Expected: 1-1-0) (Actual: 1-0-0) 
  • On the road to: NYI, NJD, NYR, CHI (Expected 2-1-1) 
  • At home to: Philadelphia, Detroit (Expected 1-1-0)
  • On the road to: Winnipeg, Minnesota (Expected 1-1-0)
  • At home to: Washington, Florida (Expected 1-1-0) 
  • On the road to: Detroit, Columbus (Expected 1-1-0)
  • Overall expected result: 7-6-1, 15 points in 14 games 
  • Current results: 1-0-0, 2 points after one game

I mentioned yesterday that six of the first 10 games were winnable, but I thought Vancouver would win last night. That’s a team on the rise. Edmonton has a chance to cash two more points against the Los Angeles Kings on Saturday.

LAST NIGHT’S GAME

The healthy scratches were Tomas Jurco, Brendan Manning and Patrick Russell. NHL.com summary and Natural Stat Trick numbers are fascinating. Here we go, all numbers five-on-five unless otherwise specified.

LINE 1 Leon Draisaitl-Connor McDavid-Zack Kassian. Trio spent 6:45 together, 6-4 Corsi, 2-4 shots, 2-0 goals and 1-1 HDSC. Poor Dave Tippett. He tried to split up the caped crusaders but that lasted like a snowflake in a hot place. Six points for the three, all of them scored, nine shots in all disciplines.

Draisaitl won both four-on-five faceoffs he took shorthanded. He played 26 minutes all-in, was an absolute bull (if a bull had velvet hands). McDavid looked human for much of the night (the Nygard experiment wasn’t working) but his winning goal was the stuff of Gods. Holy crap what a burst. Kassian, and I mentioned this, is playing the best hockey of his life. In two crucial game moments it was Kassian (deft pass to Leon, rocket shelf to tie 2-2) who used his skill to win the day. Honestly, it looks like Kassian has opened up another chamber here.

LINE 2 Leon Draisaitl-Ryan Nugent-Hopkins-Zack Kassian played 6:45 together, 6-4 Corsi, 4-3 shots, 1-0 goals and 4-2 HDSC.

Nuge had a fine night, didn’t get any points and played a secondary role once placed on the Nygard-Neal line (1-1 in 1:40, 1-0 shots). Played 21:43, 2TK, 2GV, one high danger chance.

LINE 3 Jujhar Khaira-Colby Cave-Josh Archibald played 7:16, going 7-17 Corsi, 4-6 shots, 0-1 goals and 0-2 HDSC.

Khaira had a shot, blocked shot and plenty of PK time. Puck got caught in his skates early and he couldn’t locate (Pettersson got a chance) and he was indecisive in his own zone a couple of times. Cave played well, he got 11:10 at evens that’s a lot of time. Archibald had two giveaways, the second of which resulted in the go-ahead goal for Vancouver. Mistakes happen but that can’t occur often for the checking line.

LINE 4 Markus Granlund-Gaetan Haas-Alex Chiasson played 2:01, 0-2 Corsi and didn’t get a lot done. Coach Tippett didn’t call on them often.

I swear I’m going to rewatch the game and specifically look for Granlund, he’s a ghost at five-on-five. Haas played just 2:11, he did drive to the net on a pass through to the slot, it looked dangerous but didn’t cash. Chiasson played 10:41 total, had two shots, whiffed on a dandy pass in the slot from Leon and was so close on a PP goalmouth chance.

Joakim Nygard had one great chance, a fine pass from James Neal sent him away. He had two shots, two hits (one rattled the boards) and needs to skate in straight lines. Neal was quality to my eye, physical, good passes, interrupted sorties. Had two shots (one nice chance via a Nuge pass) but his passing is what I noticed.

PAIRING ONE Darnell Nurse and Adam Larsson played 15:19, going 7-25 Corsi, 4-12 shots, no goals and 1-1 HDSC. Had a helluva time with the Miller-Horvat-Pearson trio (1-12 Corsi against Horvat) and were not sharp on breakouts. Although they weren’t alone in trying to hit the clock with alley oop passes, it got old in a hurry.

Nurse had an assist, played 26 minutes and that included 3:20 PK and 1:19 PP. Larsson blocked a shot late and it looked painful as hell, played almost 22 minutes with plenty of PK time. He could help himself with better passing. This pairing needs to get the puck going north, it’s a miracle no one scored on them last night. Nurse went 2-9 against Pettersson, but the Oilers scored when the two men were on the ice together.

PAIRING TWO Oscar Klefbom and Ethan Bear played 11:37 and went 10-8 Corsi, 7-3 shots, no goals and 3-1 HDSC. Both men finished -1 but were not together for their GA (Kris Russell both times).

Oscar Klefbom had six shot attempts, played 23:46 and spent over seven minutes against the Pettersson-Ferland-Boeser line. Exceptional passing, calm feet, rocking chair. I liked Bear’s game, although it appeared the second goal was tipped by his mark (Bear didn’t tie up his stick). Bear’s outlet passing was on display and hopefully represents the future of Oilers defense.

PAIRING THREE Kris Russell and Matt Benning played 9:29, going 9-9 Corsi, 5-2 shots and 1-0 goals, 1-2 HDSC.

Kris Russell had two giveaways, two blocked shots and spent most of the night without the puck. Structure took the bus when he was out there, and he screened the goalie on the first goal. Matt Benning had a solid game to my eye, two assists, +3, moved the puck well and showed offensive flair.

Mike Smith was splendid in goal, outstanding saves in waves. Dave Tippett is a better man than I am, so he’ll probably run Koskinen out there on Saturday. I’d go with Smith. Stopped 31 of 33, .969 save percentage. Stopped seven of eight HDSC’s. Man. That was a helluva game by the big man. Fantastic saves off Pettersson, Ferland, Miller.

TIPPETT’S DEPLOYMENT

I wanted to look at how Tippett handled the minutes against Pettersson, and it is fascinating. Here are Pettersson’s minutes at five-on-five against Edmonton’s defensemen:

  1. Darnell Nurse 6:51, 9-2 Corsi, 0-1 goals
  2. Ethan Bear 5:24, 5-4 Corsi, 0-0 goals
  3. Adam Larsson 5:07, 9-2 Corsi, 0-0 goals
  4. Oscar Klefbom 4:46, 5-5 Corsi, 0-0 goals
  5. Kris Russell 3:55, 4-3 Corsi, 0-0 goals
  6. Matt Benning 2:52, 4-4 Corsi, 0-1 goals

And now the centers:

  1. Colby Cave 5:01, 11-3 Corsi, 0-0 goals
  2. Connor McDavid 4:43, 3-2 Corsi, 0-1 goals
  3. Nuge 4:21, 2-5 Corsi, 0-0 goals
  4. Gaetan Haas 0:24, 2-0 Corsi, 0-0 goals

So, my take is that Tippett was content to run either of the top two pairs against Pettersson, and really Russell, too. Travis Green appears to have been trying to get his best player out against Colby Cave, and Cave got caved, but it didn’t result in any goals. I think Pettersson-Cave is the only thing resembling a hard match, and it’s stretching it to suggest it was a real effort (more like preference). Tippett obliged, it looks like he wasn’t so much worried about matching than playing the hell out of his best players. He won. Needs 45 more. I know he’s planning on using his star players less, but McLellan and Hitchcock had plans, too.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A fun morning, TSN1260, with two of my favourite guests. We get underway at 10, with Jeff Krushell from Krush Performance stopping in at 10:20. We’ll talk mlb playoffs and the inevitably of the Astros. Frank Seravalli from TSN chimes in at 11, we’ll talk about the opening night NHL action and what to expect this coming season. 10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. Talk soon!

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  1. PinkSocks says:

    Jethro Tull:
    Ken Holland – I believe in over percolating our young D in the minors.

    Also Ken Holland – *Recalls Evan Bouchard after 1 game to save 175K on the cap.*

    Er, what are decisions based on things other than winning, Alex?

    What is making a paper move prior to placing Adam Larsson on LTIR to gain $175k in cap space and then calling Bear back up and sending Bouchard back down, Alex?

  2. jp says:

    ArmchairGM: Well, I guess we’re a little closer to getting an answer, as certainly Nurse-Larsson isn’t a thing going forward.

    Maybe. Certainly not under the circumstances either of us were expecting. And a lineup without Larsson may not provide the answers we’re hoping for! Sink or swim time for a 2nd rookie D, yikes.

  3. ArmchairGM says:

    jp: I don’t get the purpose of the Bear/Bouchard paper transaction. Anyone have any insight as to why this is beneficial?

    They needed to get as close to the upper cap limit as possible in order to maximize the cap savings when putting Larsson on LTIR. Bouchard counts for $175k more against the cap.

  4. Darth Tu says:

    Bag of Pucks: Every player has the potential for injuries, and no injuries in the early stages of a career doesn’t guarantee no injuries later.

    Aye, true – I agree with that. A broken ankle/foot from blocking a shot is hardly down to Larsson being injury prone though.

    I’ll also agree that Hall isn’t as injury prone as made out by some others for the same reason. Knee injury aside, most of his issues (from memory) have been after getting cut by skates or also from taking a puck to the foot.

  5. geowal says:

    Apparently some guy named Manning is on the roster. Forgot about him!

  6. blainer says:

    I predicted 66 points !!

    My terrible and heartbreaking guess was to do on how the off season went and to me the uncertainty of the health of CMD and of course the big one …Goaltending.

    Health was also a big concern and I did think that losing Lars would also be potentially devastating but really didn’t expect it this early.

    I am now even beginning to wonder if 66 points is too high.

    The one thing we can all hope for is this will give someone like Bear Benning Bouch Persson a chance to actually cement a career for themselves by surprising the shit out of us and turning into a reliable top 4 D.

    What a disappointment this must be for Lars.

  7. Reja says:

    Bag of Pucks:
    I was kicking myself over my death march prediction of 82 points, cos I saw the Oilers as a .500 squad but I forgot about the damn Bettman point!

    With Larsson potentially out for the season though? 82 sounds about right. Joy.

    Again, why the fuck can’t we have nice things?!

    I’m so happy that your so happy with your prediction.

  8. jp says:

    Doug McLachlan: See my earlier post, it given that Bouchard’s salary is higher, they can maximize the LTIR room they have.

    Thanks, I haven’t yet read large parts of todays comment section. But makes sense for sure.

    I wonder if this precipitates a trade? Bear/Persson/Benning is a terrifying RD depth chart.

    As mentioned it sounds like Russell will be moving over. I was puzzled initially about Russell moving to RD and having (when Persson returns) two RD on the 3rd pair, but I forgot about Manning… So on Saturday we should be prepared for:

    Nurse-Russell
    Klefbom-Bear
    Manning-Benning

    Apologies if this has already been posted. Wow.

  9. Reja says:

    blainer:
    I predicted 66 points !!

    My terrible and heartbreaking guess was to do on how the off season went and to me the uncertainty of the health of CMD and of course the big one …Goaltending.

    Health was also a big concern and I did think that losing Lars would also be potentially devastating but really didn’t expect it.

    I am now even beginning to wonder if 66 points will actually be a better result than where we actually end up.

    The one thing we can all hope for is this will give someone like Bear Benning Bouch Persson a chance to actually cement a career for themselves by surprising the shit out of us and turning into a reliable top 4 D.

    What a disappointment this must be for Lars.

    Sounds like your looking for a bet on the over-under set at 66 points.

  10. Side says:

    blainer:
    I predicted 66 points !!

    My terrible and heartbreaking guess was to do on how the off season went and to me the uncertainty of the health of CMD and of course the big one …Goaltending.

    Health was also a big concern and I did think that losing Lars would also be potentially devastating but really didn’t expect it.

    I am now even beginning to wonder if 66 points will actually be a better result than where we actually end up.

    The one thing we can all hope for is this will give someone like Bear Benning Bouch Persson a chance to actually cement a career for themselves by surprising the shit out of us and turning into a reliable top 4 D.

    What a disappointment this must be for Lars.

    Your point 66 prediction is still crazy to me, even with a hobbled Larsson. I don’t see the Oilers getting below 66 points.

    The Oilers have already gotten 2 points from a Canucks team with a 1 legged Larsson.

    McDavid looks fine. Smith did not let in the first shot on goal so that’s already an enormous improvement.

    Now, Draisaitl and McDavid injuries.. I would agree with your prediction.

    I mean, in one of the Oilers 62 point season, their top scorers were Dustin Penner (63 points) and Sam Gagner (41 points)….

  11. Pouzar says:

    PinkSocks: My money is on Lagesson getting the “real” callup.

    It’s our only hope to get OP back.

  12. Reja says:

    Side: Your point 66 prediction is still crazy to me, even with a hobbled Larsson. I don’t see the Oilers getting below 66 points.

    The Oilers have already gotten 2 points from a Canucks team with a 1 legged Larsson.

    McDavid looks fine. Smith did not let in the first shot on goal so that’s already an enormous improvement.

    Now, Draisaitl and McDavid injuries.. I would agree with your prediction.

    Ask Connor etc they’ll be lucky to win another game this year.

  13. blainer says:

    Reja: Sounds like your looking for a bet on the over-underset at 66 points.

    Nah I wouldn’t make a bet like this with CMD on our team as he may actually stay healthy .. at least that is my hope.. but even more important is its a bet I would never want to win !!

    My heart and wishes are for a 100 plus point season..

  14. Rebillled says:

    Harpers Hair,

    I’ve never checked but do no Canuck fans have blogs? Must be all the years of never winning a cup. I hear Seattle is getting a team so maybe you can jump on there.

    or go jump in a lake or the Pacific Ocean.

  15. ArmchairGM says:

    texmex:
    Oilpower,

    Most teams would rather trade for Ho-Sang than claim him off waivers. Claiming him on waivers adds a contract without one going out.

    But to your point, requesting a trade doesn’t make it any more likely he gets traded, but does decrease the amount a team is willing to give up in the event of trade.

    Does he have to re-clear waivers for the new team? If not, he has a tiny bit more value because we could send him to Bakersfield without any concerns that we’ll lose him for nothing.

  16. Brantford Boy says:

    npanciroli:
    Nurse and Larsson were so painful to watch when Klefbom and Bear looked so damn good together.

    I think this is the issue people have with Nurse, he’s not the best puck distributor and struggles sometimes in his own zone. Will he be worth 6 mil?

    With that said Larsson was much worse on that pairing and seemed allergic to anything but chipping it off the glass.

    Hindsight 20/20 says…

    Or maybe he said to Nurse, “I’ve got a broken foot, we can’t go down to 5 D-men… get it the hell out of our zone and I’ll see you after the All-Star break”…

    Playing with a broken foot = Trooper… always liked him before, his stock just went up with me even more…

    Forwards just lost about 6 feet on the breakouts under Tippet’s system to cover for rookies playing the blueline…

  17. PinkSocks says:

    Pouzar: It’s our only hope to get OP back.

    That or a Brad Malone getting the callup. That will definitely bring back our missing OP.

  18. blainer says:

    Side: Your point 66 prediction is still crazy to me, even with a hobbled Larsson. I don’t see the Oilers getting below 66 points.

    The Oilers have already gotten 2 points from a Canucks team with a 1 legged Larsson.

    McDavid looks fine. Smith did not let in the first shot on goal so that’s already an enormous improvement.

    Now, Draisaitl and McDavid injuries.. I would agree with your prediction.

    I mean, in one of the Oilers 62 point season, their top scorers were Dustin Penner (63 points) and Sam Gagner (41 points)….

    I agree my prediction is very crazy but I’ve been known to be a bit crazy at times..lol..

    There is still the possibility that everything breaks right like you mentioned but we’re already down our top pair RT shot D and we all know how hard they are to come by.

    Add an injury to CMD or Drai at the same time as Lars and it’s gonna get ugly..

    Plus that bottom six.. and our wingers.. it’s just sad.

    But I’ll will say .. Goaltenders are extremely unpredictable and one never knows for sure.. A hot goalie or two can really be the difference to a team..

    I’d love to see more of the Goaltending we saw last night for sure!!

  19. jimmers2 says:

    EDIT:

    ERG – Right fibula, that is the bone that appears to be exposed to the shot. Should have slept in a Holiday Inn.

    jimmers2:
    By the description of the injury and Rishaug’s photo on twitter, it sounds like it is Larsson’s left fibula that is broken.I can’t see the puck in the photo but Larsson’s right foot is in the air while the left foot is planted andturned laterally, exposing the fibula to the presumed shot.Props to Larsson, the guy is Fogolin-tough to have gutted out skating on that for the rest of the game.

    With the Oiler’s luck, it will no doubt turn out to be the tibia as well…

  20. jp says:

    Harpers Hair: Fair enough.
    But your granular approach ignores the individual circumstances that each player encounters.
    I (and JT Black) have given you many, many examples of players eating up big minutes as 19 to 20 year olds…a trend that has been accelerating.
    BTW, Hughes turns 20 in a few days.

    I never denied that many young players do play big minutes or that some elites show themselves early. They absolutely do. My point was simply that many players also take a bit longer to get there and you really can’t tell based on success at age 19/20 (or lack thereof).

    This is “old” data, but if you look at the last 9 Norris winners (going back to Chara in 2009) 5 of them weren’t even NHL regulars until their age 21/draft +4 seasons (Chara, Lidstrom, Giordano, Keith, Subban). Kinda argues against “Elite D arrive early”.

  21. Durag says:

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    The #Oilers have announced that defenceman Adam Larsson will be out of action for six to eight weeks with a fractured right fibula.
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    So 20ish games without Larsson. It sucks but I don’t think it’s quite the nail in the coffin some are making it out to be.

    edit: If he’s on the shorter end of that timetable it’s possible he could only miss 2 divisional games. Weird schedule.

  22. ArmchairGM says:

    texmex: Correct me if I’m wrong, but his allows the Oilers to go over the 81.5M cap by $4.166M while Larsson is on LTIR (can recall Gagner and is 2+M cap it). However, that does not mean they can go out and replace Larsson with another 4.166M player (without salary going out) because eventually Larsson will come back and that LTIR relief no longer applies. The Oilers will need to be @ or below 81.5 when Larsson returns.

    So, hopefully the kids can handle top minutes (does not hold breath).

    Cap hit accrues daily. So if we project Larsson to miss say 60 games, the Oilers could add $3M player today and not have to make any adjustments when Larsson is ready to return. (Or trade a $2M player for a $5M player, the point is they could add $3M to the cap.)

  23. Pouzar says:

    Jason Gregor (@JasonGregor) · Twitter
    https://twitter.com/JasonGregor

    “I thought moving Currie from centre to RW in the second half last year and playing him with Benson and Marody really got us going. So we will start with them.” Woodcroft. Other lines.. Gambardella-Malone-Yamamoto Gagner-McLeod-Maksimov

  24. geowal says:

    On a more positive note, Woodcroft is on gregor’s show. I think I could listen to him continuously.

  25. jp says:

    Pouzar:
    Jason Gregor (@JasonGregor) · Twitter
    https://twitter.com/JasonGregor

    “I thought moving Currie from centre to RW in the second half last year and playing him with Benson and Marody really got us going. So we will start with them.” Woodcroft. Other lines.. Gambardella-Malone-Yamamoto Gagner-McLeod-Maksimov

    Good Lord that team is stacked.

    Though it looks like the big team will do their best to chew up the young D and send them back to the farm broken (I hope I’m wrong lol)

  26. Reja says:

    Rebillled: hope.. bu

    Their blogs stopped in 72 when the city of Vancouver booed Team Canada off the ice against the so called evil commies.

  27. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – With this injury does Holland have to “pretend” that his goal is playoffs

    – When Sek was out, we were looking at a Garrison, Gravel, Petro, Davidson, Auvitu

    – Now we have the opportunity to play a Bouchard, Laggeson, Jones, Persson, Bear etc: some of which will actually be part of the future, and are just better than the “back-up” D we had before.

    – The worry with keeping Sek was that he might not be an effective D anymore

    – The worry with getting rid of Sek was that we were an injury away from Klef, Larsson or Nurse from having little NHL D depth (not to mention trading Benning which was discussed)

    – Teams that dress 2 rookie D for 81 games don’t generally do very well I don’t think

    – Or does Holland do deal for a D using the LTIR space?

    – Like a Ristolainen for a Pool + AHL D

    – I could see that kind of deal if a few weeks of poor play from :

    Klef-AHL’r/EuroRookie
    Nurse-Russel
    AHL’r-Benning

  28. Ca$h-McMoney! says:

    PinkSocks: What is making a paper move prior to placing Adam Larsson on LTIR to gain $175k in cap space and then calling Bear back up and sending Bouchard back down, Alex?

    Why Bouchard instead of Gagner, out of curiosity? Not enough room?

  29. Reja says:

    Reja: Theirblogsstopped in 72 when the city of Vancouver booed Team Canada off the ice against the so called evil commies.

    Back in 72 the whole school watched on television sets in every class each game of the best hockey ever witnessed. You had to have been there to feel the shame and embarrassment we felt when Vancouver booed our Heroes and Country off the ice.

  30. Ribs says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – The worry with getting rid of Sek was that we were an injury away from Klef, Larsson or Nurse from having little NHL D depth (not to mention trading Benning which was discussed)

    Ahhh… The Sekera offloading bites early! Ouch!

  31. ArmchairGM says:

    Ca$h-McMoney!: Why Bouchard instead of Gagner, out of curiosity?Not enough room?

    Not enough room. And he may end up using Bouchard if Persson isn’t ready by Saturday.

  32. PokeCheck says:

    Does the paper transaction mean that Bouchard can’t play for Bakersfield’s opener on Friday?

  33. Ribs says:

    Ca$h-McMoney!: Why Bouchard instead of Gagner, out of curiosity?Not enough room?

    Quick, let’s ask OP….lol

  34. ArmchairGM says:

    I’m not sure if this has been reported, but Puljujarvi got an assist and was +2 in a 3-0 win today in 17:01 TOI. Eight shot attempts- he still leads the league in this category.

    One of his linemates scored 2 goals and passed Jesse for team lead – 8 points to 7 – in 8 games.

  35. Profit says:

    Couple weeks ago everyone was concerned about the number and quality of D that we had, was agitating for a trade for top 6 forward help and was blown away that Lagesson and Jones (remember him?) weren’t going to crack the roster.

    NHL teams need 8-10 NHL ready D per year to deal with injuries. This is exactly that eventuality. Just sucks it was game 1.

    Vegas has Schmidt out for “weeks” too with his knee. It happens and I’d prefer a break to a knee.

    I’m concerned that losing one of our top D-men will hurt, but is it season ending? Well if it is, then the Oilers had no chance anyway. These things happen. Calm your tits as our gracious host says and see how it goes.

  36. HT Joe says:

    Reja: Back in 72 the whole school watched on television sets in every class each game of the best hockey ever witnessed. You had to have been there to feel the shame and embarrassment we felt when Vancouver booed our Heroes and Country off the ice.

    Wait what!? I just assumed this was a long running joke on the blog. They actually booed them? I need to YouTube this. When I get home from work..

  37. Jethro Tull says:

    Dallas have felt comfortable enough to pencil in Sekera on the 2nd pairing RD tonight.

  38. Reja says:

    HT Joe: Wait what!? I just assumed this was a long running joke on the blog. They actually booed them?I need to YouTube this. When I get home from work..

    U tube Phil Esposito interview after the game it’ll send chills up your spine.

  39. McNuge93 says:

    HT Joe: Wait what!? I just assumed this was a long running joke on the blog. They actually booed them?I need to YouTube this. When I get home from work..

    Yes, and famous tongue lashing of the fans by Phil Esposito sticking up for his team after that booing incident. What a leader!!

  40. SwedishPoster says:

    So Larsson out testing the young and upcoming D early. Playing over two periods of hockey with a broken fibula is pretty badass. During the game I was wondering why he wasn’t on the ice for the last few minutes defending the lead, guess I got my answer.
    While Larsson hasn’t been up to his old self the last year and a half or so he does play some seriously tough minutes. Whoever gets tasked with those minutes better buckle up. I assume we’ll see a lot of 25+ nights from Klef and Nurse. I actually think Nurse does better when he gets the crazy minutes, he contains himself more which helps his positioning. Wonder if Persson(or Bear) gets a shot at PP1 when he gets back to give Klef some rest. Will be interesting to see how Tip works around this, he was very active last night in his coaching and he’ll have to continue with that going forward. Playing Drai 26 minutes a night won’t fly in the long run but I did like how aggressively Tip was running the bench.

  41. jp says:

    PokeCheck:
    Does the paper transaction mean that Bouchard can’t play for Bakersfield’s opener on Friday?

    I *guess* he can be “returned” to Bakersfield tomorrow before the game, since he was up and Larsson was placed on LTIR today. So I would think he can play.

  42. Sierra says:

    Today the hill got steeper.

  43. jtblack says:

    what about WOODGUY 2.0.

    Where is he at?

  44. northerndancer says:

    McNuge93: Yes, and famous tongue lashing of the fans by Phil Esposito sticking up for his team after that booing incident. What a leader!!

    Here is how I recall seeing it, sitting on the back of the classroom, on the coat rack! A fantastic Russian hockey team – skating, passing, completely outplaying, outskilling a bunch of valiant but out of shape, arrogant, shocked and violent Canadian hockey stars. We were watching the future and, patriotism aside, we were ‘grooving’ on it.

  45. texmex says:

    Any update on Jurco today?

  46. hunter1909 says:

    Reja: Back in 72 the whole school watched on television sets in every class each game of the best hockey ever witnessed. You had to have been there to feel the shame and embarrassment we felt when Vancouver booed our Heroes and Country off the ice.

    There was no shame or embarrassment.

    The 1972 Canadians turned up for Game 1 out of shape, entitled as fuck until getting their collective asses handed to them in a 7-3 blowout at the hand of the Reds. That pretty well put the entire nation in mourning since they felt that no longer were they even the best hockey nation in the world. It was 9/11 on ice.

    Game 2 saw the series move to Toronto of all places, where a seething and defensively improved Canadian team(subtracting players who played like bums including Ken Dryden) and adding tough defensive players such as Bruins goon Wayne Cashman returning the favour back to the Reds in a good old fashioned NHL hammering. After this, Canada was happy again because now those Red swine were going to eat lumber.

    Game 3 saw Canada back to their old overconfident selves and despite appearing like they were once more about to win, the Reds shocked them once more by coming back to tie the game. So once again both the team plus Canada was placed on notice that they weren’t going to be enjoying any kind of shellacking of these Communists.

    Game 4 lazy manager Harry Sinden replaced some of the most effective players like Cashman(the Soviets apparently had gone to their dressing room after playing the first period in Toronto talking nothing else but “Cashman, Cashman” because they’d never imagined such players existed. Cashman for his part played hockey like a human buzz saw, smashing the Soviets around in the corners and no doubt made Canadian fans including a youthful Lowetide very happy. But the overall squad was enormous(2 full teams of all stars), and politics also came into play at this stage of the series that everyone still believed was Canada’s for the taking.

    By the time the series got to Vancouver, for some reason the series was tied and people were once again getting nervous, if not downright antsy again. Also it was the last game in Canada, and the hype was that Russia was going to be a horrible place to win hockey games so the pressure was incredible. Sure some of the Vancouver fans booed even at the start, but at this point few felt that the Canadians were taking this series anywhere as seriously as later came out. So, once they managed to lose again to the Reds suddenly the team was again in deep shite. Canada also felt the same way, as their heroes were once more seeming like a bunch of drunken, entitled lazy bums than their insanely robotic opposition.

    No need to go on about the rest of the series here; but it wasn’t like the Canadians(they weren’t being called Team Canada then) appeared to be earning their keep; not at all and really quite the reverse. The booing was simply Canadian fans way of telling the team to pick up their socks or else don’t bother coming back from Russia.

    The rest as they say, is history.

  47. hunter1909 says:

    Reja: Back in 72 the whole school watched on television sets in every class each game of the best hockey ever witnessed. You had to have been there to feel the shame and embarrassment we felt when Vancouver booed our Heroes and Country off the ice.

    You must have gone to a hell of school, because many of the games were played at night on weekends.

  48. Sierra says:

    jtblack:
    what about WOODGUY 2.0.

    Where is he at?

    Twitter

  49. hunter1909 says:

    northerndancer: violent Canadian hockey stars

    I guess that Swede nearly splitting Wayne Cashman’s tongue in two was playing the game the way it ought to be played?

    Or perhaps Boris Mikhailov kicking Canadian players like some greaseball outside the Coffee Cup Inn on Saturday night seemed friendly?

  50. northerndancer says:

    hunter1909: You must have gone to a hell of school, because many of the games were played at night on weekends.

    It wasnt all the games. The ones from the USSR. We had a Russian shop teacher and he was grinning from ear to ear. Maybe I was hallucinating? Maybe Canada won it all.

  51. rickithebear says:

    Current healthy roster pairs better than league 2.64 evga/60
    Nurse – Russell 1090 ev min 2.28 evga/60
    Manning – Benning 92 ev min 1.31 evga/60
    Klefbom – Russell 62 ev min 0.97 evga/60
    Russell – Benning 23 ev min 2.61 evga/60

    Not so much evga/60
    Nurse – Benning 148 ev min 3.66
    Klefbom – Benning 42 ev min 2.87 evga/60
    Nurse – Klefbom 19 ev min 9.75 evga/60
    Russell – Bouchard 17 ev min 3.36
    Nurse – Bouchard 17 min 6.96
    Klefbom – Bouchard 15 ev min 4.20 evga/60

    Nurse – Russell 2.28
    Klefbom – xxx
    Manning – Benning 1.31

    Small minute hint of def structure

  52. hunter1909 says:

    northerndancer: Maybe I was hallucinating?

    I wasn’t even talking to you.

    Was your older brother dealing LSD?

  53. jtblack says:

    Sierra: Twitter

    did he quit the Lowetide-verse?

    I don’t have twitter.

    FACEBOOK = YES (Rarely check)
    INSTAGRAM = YES
    LOWETIDE = YES

  54. OmJo says:

    Harpers Hair: Miro Heiskanen says hi.
    Elite D arrive early.

    I think most women would disagree with this assessment.

  55. Harpers Hair says:

    jtblack: did he quit the Lowetide-verse?

    I don’t have twitter.

    FACEBOOK = YES (Rarely check)
    INSTAGRAM = YES
    LOWETIDE = YES

    Have seen him sporadically on Twitter.

  56. Ryan says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    – With this injury does Holland have to “pretend” that his goal is playoffs

    – When Sek was out, we were looking at a Garrison, Gravel, Petro, Davidson, Auvitu

    – Now we have the opportunity to play a Bouchard, Laggeson, Jones, Persson, Bear etc: some of which will actually be part of the future, and are just better than the “back-up” D we had before.

    – The worry with keeping Sek was that he might not be an effective D anymore

    – The worry with getting rid of Sek was that we were an injury away from Klef, Larsson or Nurse from having little NHL D depth (not to mention trading Benning which was discussed)

    – Teams that dress 2 rookie D for 81 games don’t generally do very well I don’t think

    – Or does Holland do deal for a D using the LTIR space?

    – Like a Ristolainen for a Pool + AHL D

    – I could see that kind of deal if a few weeks of poor play from :

    Klef-AHL’r/EuroRookie
    Nurse-Russel
    AHL’r-Benning

    If OP were still posting, he’d say the answer is no.

    Larsson is reportedly out for 8 weeks or so.

    When he returns, if you have Risto on the roster too, you can’t get cap compliant.

  57. Reja says:

    hunter1909: You must have gone to a hell of school, because many of the games were played at night on weekends.

    I’m speaking of the games in Russia. You might think NHLers we’re entitled back then you should check out what their pay was. And yes everyone smoked, drank, chased woman and had fun in those days.

  58. hunter1909 says:

    Reja: I’m speaking of the games in Russia. You might think NHLers we’re entitled back then you should check out what their pay was. And yes everyone smoked, drank,chased woman and had fun in those days.

    Sorry lol just being obtuse.

    Hard to believe they still don’t drink, chase women or have fun anymore(more obtuseness).

    My real point is that blaming Vancouver fans like they’re some special kind of demons(okay maybe they are)…

    Toronto people I’ve found to be just as fucked up. Always passive-aggressively bragging about their fucking cottages(“I’ll have to have you come up to the cottage one of these days” etc)

  59. McNuge93 says:

    northerndancer: It wasnt all the games.The ones from the USSR. We had a Russian shop teacher and he was grinning from ear to ear.Maybe I was hallucinating?Maybe Canada won it all.

    Yes the games in Russia were midday alberta time. But I think they were rerun on tv at night as well.

  60. drglen says:

    Perrson is probably close to or likely to play Saturday ( haven’t heard anything yet) .. if not they will play manning benning and hope for the best. The bouchard call up is just paper… .. imo

  61. Ryan says:

    Ribs: Ahhh… The Sekera offloading bites early! Ouch!

    Yeah, DSF and I so far look to have made the right call with suggesting Gagner should have been bought out instead. Keith Gretzky was lauded last season for acquiring Gagner from Spooner, but the buyout cap was cheaper for Spooner.

    Dallas plays tonight. Sekera is listed by one site as in their top four.

  62. Reja says:

    hunter1909: Sorry lol just being obtuse.

    Hard to believe they still don’t drink, chase women or have fun anymore(more obtuseness).

    My real point is that blaming Vancouver fans like they’re some special kind of demons(okay maybe they are)…

    Toronto people I’ve found to be just as fucked up. Always passive-aggressively bragging about their fucking cottages(“I’ll have to have you come up to the cottage one of these days” etc)

    I hate Leaf, Hab and Nucks fans equally. But I absolutely loathe Flames fans.

  63. Reja says:

    northerndancer: It wasnt all the games.The ones from the USSR. We had a Russian shop teacher and he was grinning from ear to ear.Maybe I was hallucinating?Maybe Canada won it all.

    If his name was Ivan I might know him.

  64. Harpers Hair says:

    Ryan: Yeah, DSF and I so far look to have made the right call with suggesting Gagner should have been bought out instead. Keith Gretzky was lauded last season for acquiring Gagner from Spooner, but the buyout cap was cheaper for Spooner.

    Dallas plays tonight. Sekera is listed by one site as in their top four.

    Exactly.
    Buying out Gagner was exactly the right move.
    Sekera is likely playing 2RD because of the ongoing absence of Johns.
    The poor fellow will have Miro Heiskanen as a partner..
    Oh my.

  65. Pescador says:

    Reja: I’m speaking of the games in Russia. You might think NHLers we’re entitled back then you should check out what their pay was.

    And yes everyone smoked, drank,chased woman and had fun in those days.

    That’s why they’re called the good ol’ days

  66. Pescador says:

    hunter1909: I wasn’t even talking to you.

    Was your older brother dealing LSD?

    He was, I bought some
    Epic camping trip

  67. Reja says:

    Harpers Hair: Exactly.
    Buying out Gagner was exactly the right move.
    Sekera is likely playing 2RD because of the ongoing absence of Johns.
    The poor fellow will have Miro Heiskanen as a partner..
    Oh my.

    Sekera has a couple more shifts like his first he won’t be 2nd pairing.

  68. leadfarmer says:

    They needed to get rid of Sekera. Too many D bubbling under that need to have decisions made on them in near future and they need a chance. Just because injuries forced Sekera into a top 4 role doesn’t mean he is a top 4 player
    Doesn’t mean they shouldn’t have bought out Ganjay unless they think someone like Cbus will take him with 50% retention

  69. leadfarmer says:

    Elite D are elite early
    Except for all the ones who aren’t

  70. Genjutsu says:

    Reja: I hate Leaf, Hab and Nucks fans equally. But I absolutely loathe Flames fans.

    I’m ok with habs fans then can chirp all they want 27 cups days its ok.

    The leafs have 13 but back 50 plus years ago. They’re just so full of themselves but some is the whole hog town arrogance.

    Vancouver has never won a thing. Hard to take anything thet say seriously.

    Calgary fans are the lowest form of life.

  71. rickithebear says:

    Genjutsu: I’m ok with habs fans then can chirp all they want 27 cups days its ok.

    The leafs have 13 but back 50 plus years ago. They’re just so full of themselves but some is the whole hog town arrogance.

    Vancouver has never won a thing. Hard to take anything thet say seriously.

    Calgary fans are the lowest form of life.

    My oldest son voulanteered
    at library all summer
    And
    At SPCA.

    My youngest son
    Voulanteered at SPCA this summer
    And
    Knows what toys he plays with.
    Identifies what he does not play with.
    Only sells them to single moms of kids in school ( at a very reduced price) who cannot afford new toys.

    They are Flames Fans!

    I am proud to say I love flames Fans!

  72. Genjutsu says:

    That was said in jest. I feel for flames fans. They had a dynasty team for decade only at the same time as another dynasty of all time great variety. Thats rotten luck.

    Every great rivalry needs that arch nemesis for it to be special.

  73. rickithebear says:

    Genjutsu:
    That was said in jest. I feel for flames fans. They had a dynasty team for decade only at the same time as another dynasty of all time great variety. Thats rotten luck.

    Every great rivalry needs that arch nemesis for it to be special.

    It is called pulling chain!

  74. rickithebear says:

    leadfarmer:
    Elite D are elite early
    Except for all the ones who aren’t

    My favourite this year!

  75. drglen says:

    hunter1909: You must have gone to a hell of school, because many of the games were played at night on weekends.

    nope.. school time. I was in grade 2. Principal would not let us watch, but, HE sat in his office and watched.., and every now and then would come over the announcements and update the score.

    On the one hand, that was awesome. On the other hand, he was kind of a dick for not letting us watch the games… oh well what does a grade 2 actually know about hockey. But I remember Phil and the roadrunner that’s for sure. Pete M. too.

  76. drglen says:

    On the one hand, the leafs actually do kinda deserve to win the cup. Long drought, this is a great roster, like last year. and I was a ‘leafs’ guy growing up, not a Habs guy. I did want them to beat the bruins.

    Hard to cheer for them with the eastern media stuff.. ( Like seriously 10 days of front page news because the ‘incident’ and then the who captain who gives a dang anyways soap opera. But I will. Hope they make it to the conference final an beat Tampa. Then narrowly beat Dallas in the final.

  77. norm_klassen says:

    I would have rather had russel out then Larson we have Jones over ripening wich is ok for me but if there is a season to wein ourselves off of the Russels and Larssons this Is it.
    We need true puck moving D men seasoned by 2021 – 2022 season.
    Russel and Larsson both gone in two years and replaced I hope

  78. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    Nice to start the year off well, but on the wrong foot.
    I hope manning does not play
    Bouch >>> Manning

  79. norm_klassen says:

    GordieHoweHatTrick,

    Laggesson and Jones play better then manning

  80. rickithebear says:

    GordieHoweHatTrick:
    Nice to start the year off well, but on the wrong foot.
    I hope manning does not play
    Bouch >>> Manning

    14/15 – 15/16
    Manning #1D 1.50 evga/60
    Larsson #2D 1.64 evga/60

    18/19
    Bouchard 3.37 evga/60
    Jones 3.92 evga/60
    Lagesson zero games.

    Last year
    Manning – Benning 1.31 evga/60

    Just some facts.

    What facts formed your opinion.

    Remember off Dmen who leave leave 2D – 1G structure
    Occupy forward space and almost all are 4 th line or worse even offence producers.

  81. Abbeef says:

    drglen:
    On the one hand, the leafs actually do kinda deserve to win the cup. Long drought, this is a great roster, like last year. and I was a ‘leafs’ guy growing up, not a Habs guy.I did want them to beat the bruins.

    Hard to cheer for them with the eastern media stuff.. ( Like seriously 10 days of front page news because the ‘incident’ and then the who captain who gives a dang anyways soap opera.But I will. Hope they make it to the conference final an beat Tampa. Then narrowly beat Dallas in the final.

    No, I hope the leaf drought reaches cub like proportions!

  82. Ryan says:

    leadfarmer:
    They needed to get rid of Sekera.Too many D bubbling under that need to have decisions made on them in near future and they need a chance.Just because injuries forced Sekera into a top 4 role doesn’t mean he is a top 4 player
    Doesn’t mean they shouldn’t have bought out Ganjay unless they think someone like Cbus will take him with 50% retention

    Not able to watch the game. Sekera is 3rd in Toi for Dallas d.

    Sekera must be finished. :p

  83. leadfarmer says:

    rickithebear,

    Yet you can’t even give Manning away.
    Ricki the Binary Bear at it again
    Ricki D are out of the league, fayne etc
    How many Ricki forwards will get the axe this year. Granlund looks like he’s heading up the gallows pole. Gagner is there. And we are desperate for forwards
    Once you realize that your analysis is F
    EV goals For >10 =1. EV GF < 10 = 0
    Ricki Analysis for D
    EV GA per 60 top 60=1. Beyond top 60 = 0
    You realize why you are The Binary Bear

  84. leadfarmer says:

    Ryan: Not able to watch the game. Sekera is 3rd in Toi for Dallas d.

    Sekera must be finished. :p

    ???
    Klinberg, Heiskanen Lindell are all over 20 min
    Sekera is not

  85. leadfarmer says:

    Ryan,

    Just because you play top 6 minutes does not make you a top 6 winger
    Just because you play 4th most D minutes does not make you a second pairing D
    Just because he’s ahead of Polak and Oleksiak doesn’t make you a good defenseman

  86. Harpers Hair says:

    Ryan: Not able to watch the game. Sekera is 3rd in Toi for Dallas d.

    Sekera must be finished. :p

    Watching the game.
    Polak injured and taken to hospital.
    Affecting everything.

  87. Ryan says:

    leadfarmer: ???
    Klinberg, Heiskanen Lindell are all over 20 min
    Sekera is not

    I’d swear he was 20 seconds up on Heiskenan when I checked.

    They ran Heiskenan hard near the end. I caught the last few minutes of the game.

    Heiskenan looks like a stud.

    Sekera was passable, but didn’t look like his old self.

  88. jp says:

    rickithebear: 14/15 – 15/16
    Manning #1D 1.50 evga/60
    Larsson #2D 1.64 evga/60

    18/19
    Bouchard 3.37 evga/60
    Jones 3.92 evga/60
    Lagesson zero games.

    Last year
    Manning – Benning 1.31 evga/60

    Just some facts.

    What facts formed your opinion.

    Another fact: 4.15 EVGA/60.

    Manning’s GA rate last year.

    It was THE WORST of any defensemen in league last year. 210th of 210 players.

    You look at this stuff all the time, you must have known that. Yet you’re quoting the 92 minutes with Benning?! Christ.

    Anyway, cherry picked data aside I actually agree with you somewhat on Manning. He was a respectable/good 3rd pairing defender prior to last year. Maybe he could return to being competent.

    But your selective use of those numbers makes clear that we often pick the facts that form our opinions.

  89. deardylan says:

    Your best forward gets hurt last game of season, your best d gets hurt first game of season = 66.6 #BlameBlainer

  90. Ryan says:

    leadfarmer:
    Ryan,

    Just because you play top 6 minutes does not make you a top 6 winger
    Just because you play 4th most D minutes does not make you a second pairing D
    Just because he’s ahead of Polak and Oleksiak doesn’t make you a good defenseman

    Sekera is playing in the NHL on a team by any sane projection to be better than the Oilers.

    Sam Gagner is currently in the American hockey league.

    The debate was about who was a better buyout candidate.

  91. Genjutsu says:

    Ryan: Sekera is playing in the NHL on a team by any sane projection to be better than the Oilers.

    Sam Gagner is currently in the American hockey league.

    The debate was about who was a better buyout candidate.

    I guess the answer is are the oilers looking to contend this year or next. Im guessing a resonable manager looked the personal and daid maybe if it breaks right and hero goalering but im going next year.

    With that in mind they made the clear correct choice.

  92. Ryan says:

    Genjutsu: I guess the answer is are the oilers looking to contend this year or next. Im guessing a resonable manager looked the personal and daid maybe if it breaks right and hero goalering but im going next year.

    With that in mind they made the clear correct choice.

    I’m confused. Your come reads like a non sequitur.

    If you’re going for next year, Sekera’s cap hit is on the books for $2.5m still. Two more after that for 1.5m each.

    We bought out Sekera a year too early to free up $3m in cap then we gave over 2m of that to Chiasson.

    That was an unforced error.

    Do you realize if they bought out Gagner they would have saved $2,1 m in cap this season and only had one million on the books for next season?

    I’m assuming not.

  93. Jethro Tull says:

    That Donskoi chappy. Was he ever available?

  94. Pescador says:

    One of Cgy or Van are going to start the season 0 – 2,
    This is most pleasing
    Lucic did not see alot of ice in the 3rd

  95. Jethro Tull says:

    I can’t help thinking that today’s paper transactions were an insane waste of time to get 175k more cap space relief that we have no intention using.

  96. buffalobill says:

    Well, I was half-assed watching the Calgary game and I didn’t see much from Lucic. I thought the game last night was a game that you would expect from a first game of the season. You can’t expect a Rembrandt at this time of year, especially with the turnover of personnel we had. Good days are coming!!!!!

  97. drglen says:

    Pescador:
    One of Cgy or Van are going to start the season 0 – 2,
    This is most pleasing
    Lucic did not see alot of ice in the 3rd

    curious…. ….

    I see Lucic has 17 penalty minutes on the night. John and Sean scored.. Rieder a scratch?

  98. buffalobill says:

    Also I would put in Perrson and Bear, might as well force the rookies in to the lineup and see what they got, we might be surprised!!!!!

  99. Jethro Tull says:

    buffalobill:
    Well, I was half-assed watching the Calgary game and I didn’t see much from Lucic. I thought the game last night was a game that you would expect from a first game of the season. You can’t expect a Rembrandt at this time of year, especially with the turnover of personnel we had. Good days are coming!!!!!

    We’ve got a coach that preached the importance of D playing their correct hand sides considering playing Kris Russell of his off side.

    It’s the second game of the season.

  100. buffalobill says:

    Jethro Tull,

    That’s why I said bring in the rookies, sink or swim. We have to get these guys games and this is the best time

  101. buffalobill says:

    buffalobill,

    By the way, love the name!!!!!!!

  102. Abbeef says:

    drglen: curious…. ….

    I see Lucic has 17 penalty minutes on the night.John and Sean scored.. Rieder a scratch?

    Watched the last half. Lucic punched a big Russian (Dadorov?) in the face a couple times after he had hit Czarnik. Was only half paying attention so I’m not sure what he got for it but wouldn’t be surprised if he got an instigator and a 5.

  103. geowal says:

    Jethro Tull: We’ve got a coach that preached the importance of D playing their correct hand sides considering playing Kris Russell of his off side.

    It’s the second game of the season.

    It’s pretty understandable to at least consider it since his alternative is two rookies…in the 2nd game. Maybe if this were game 40 he keeps Russell on the left. He may yet still in game 2. I wouldn’t bury him for reviewing options.

  104. Sierra says:

    jtblack: did he quit the Lowetide-verse?

    I don’t have twitter.

    FACEBOOK = YES (Rarely check)
    INSTAGRAM = YES
    LOWETIDE = YES

    He’s not posting much there.

  105. buffalobill says:

    Jethro Tull,

    Jethro wouldn’t it be a good time to bring in rookies when all the teams are sort of trying to find their way?

  106. Lowetide says:

    jtblack:
    what about WOODGUY 2.0.

    Where is he at?

    He called me on the phone this evening, we had a nice chat. He’s been working hard but remains a fan of the hockey. And math. LOVES the hockey math.

  107. Primetime says:

    Jethro Tull:
    I can’t help thinking that today’s paper transactions were an insane waste of time to get 175k more cap space relief that we have no intention using.

    Why is it an insane waste of time? It’s merely a paper transaction, doesn’t hurt anyone. And wouldn’t you want an administration that is aware of all details and loopholes and willing to use all options, rather than one that doesn’t bother or, worse, doesn’t know?

  108. northerndancer says:

    Hey LT, we were just having a little trip down memory lane. Canada Russia 1972, watching games on TV while at school.
    Where were you in 72? (besides up the road in Maidstone. I was in Biggar) What are your recollections of the series?

  109. buffalobill says:

    Lowetide,

    LT, you should ask him to rejoin the conversation, he is one of the reasons I have followed the blog for years

  110. northerndancer says:

    buffalobill:
    Lowetide,

    LT, you should ask him to rejoin the conversation, he is one of the reasons I have followed the blog for years

    yes indeed.

  111. Side says:

    Primetime: Why is it an insane waste of time?It’s merely a paper transaction, doesn’t hurt anyone.And wouldn’t you want an administration that is aware of all details and loopholes and willing to use all options, rather than one that doesn’t bother or, worse, doesn’t know?

    Oiler fans can never be pleased. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

  112. Ryan says:

    buffalobill:
    Lowetide,

    LT, you should ask him to rejoin the conversation, he is one of the reasons I have followed the blog for years

    Woodguy does make appearances from time to time still.

    Twitter is the best place to find him.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/Woodguy55

    The problem with the prolific / influential posters is that they don’t know how to pace themselves which results in burnout. 😉 then they reach a point where they pace themselves too well or move to twitter.

    Seriously though, I think ultimately the problem is that for some posters many people actually value their opinions and want to know what they think about various hockey-related issues. This draws them into time-consuming debates / pulling data to support their opinions.

    Fortunately for me no one really cares about my opinions or what I think, so I don’t have deal with that issue.

    Lots of good posters over the years have slipped away though many still drop in from time to time.

  113. Twinkle Mo' Fo' Toes says:

    Does anyone know why Brodziak hasn’t been placed on LTIR?

  114. buffalobill says:

    Ryan,

    Well I care about your opinions, no one cares about mine!!!!

  115. kgo says:

    Just re-watched last night’s game mainly focusing on the bubble players…warning, the following analysis is eye test only…no stats to support….

    – Gaetan Haas look really good in his 4 minutes. He had two nasty takeaways, and covered well defensively when his dman pinched. Although he’s a bit “swoopy”, and I noticed him on the wrong side of the puck for an instant just outside the oilers blueline. I think we’ve got a solid player there.

    – Granlund better wake tf up quick because he sure looks like the odd man out based on preseason and game 1. Him and Chaisson were getting the dregs when Haas got sat, then Tippet bumped him up to play with Neal and Nuge for one shift, and quickly replaced him with Nygard.

    – Khaira and Archibald, if you remove the 2 or 3 glaring errors well documented here, they actually played pretty solid responsible games with flashes of offence. Cave is the ideal 13th forward…#5C

    – Smith’s puck skills are incredibly valuable…but I noticed he overplayed the shot on the 2nd goal, he moved his paddle in an attempt to direct the shot into the corner and opened his 5hole for the deflection….if his stick remained stationary and the puck wasn’t deflected it would have hit his left pad and the rebound would have been ugly so I can’t really blame him…probably Bear’s only error on the night in not tying up pearson’s stick….as Bear matures I think we’ll see a well timed cross check to the numbers on that play.

    -McDavid looked rusty, no wonder he wanted 2 pre-season games.

    – Larsson’s injury might just be a blessing in disguise in that Bear will stay up when Persson returns, and it hopefully adds another excellent passer into the RHD slot (Bouchard or Persson) I doubt Russel gets more than 1 game on the right side unless Manning is swapped for Laggeson or Jones. Don’t get me wrong, I love Larsson’s heart and grit, but he’s not resigning here in 2 years so we may as well develop his internal replacement in the early part of this season…

  116. buffalobill says:

    kgo,

    Why wouldn’t he sign here?

  117. jp says:

    Primetime: Why is it an insane waste of time?It’s merely a paper transaction, doesn’t hurt anyone.And wouldn’t you want an administration that is aware of all details and loopholes and willing to use all options, rather than one that doesn’t bother or, worse, doesn’t know?

    I wonder if the Oilers retained Ed Olczyk?

  118. Reja says:

    northerndancer:
    Hey LT, wewere just having a little trip down memory lane. Canada Russia 1972, watching games on TV while at school.
    Where were you in 72? (besides up the road in Maidstone. I was in Biggar)What are your recollections of the series?

    ‘New York is big but this is Biggar” Best town slogan ever.

  119. treevojo says:

    buffalobill:
    kgo,

    Why wouldn’t he sign here?

    Don’t you know?

    No one resigns with the oilers.

    Except for when they do.

  120. Dr. Taboggan says:

    Lucic -1 with 17 pims and no shots in his first game. Hahahah

  121. ArmchairGM says:

    kgo:
    Just re-watched last night’s game mainlyfocusing on the bubble players…warning, the following analysis is eye test only…no stats to support….

    – Gaetan Haas look really good in his 4 minutes.He had two nasty takeaways, and covered well defensively when his dman pinched.Although he’s a bit “swoopy”, and I noticed him on the wrong side of the puck for an instant just outside the oilers blueline.I think we’ve got a solid player there.

    – Granlund better wake tf up quick because he sure looks like the odd man out based on preseason and game 1.Him and Chaisson were getting the dregs when Haas got sat, then Tippet bumped him up to play with Neal and Nuge for one shift, and quickly replaced him with Nygard.

    – Khaira and Archibald, if you remove the 2 or 3 glaring errors well documented here, they actually played pretty solid responsible games with flashes of offence.Cave is the ideal 13th forward…#5C

    – Smith’s puck skills are incredibly valuable…but I noticed he overplayed the shot on the 2nd goal, he moved his paddle in an attempt to direct the shot into the corner and opened his 5hole for the deflection….if his stick remained stationary and the puck wasn’t deflected it would have hit his left pad and the rebound would have been ugly so I can’t really blame him…probably Bear’s only error on the night in not tying up pearson’s stick….as Bear matures I think we’ll see a well timed cross check to the numbers on that play.

    -McDavid looked rusty, no wonder he wanted 2 pre-season games.

    – Larsson’s injury might just be a blessing in disguise in that Bear will stay up when Persson returns, and it hopefully adds another excellent passer into the RHD slot (Bouchard or Persson)I doubt Russel gets more than 1 game on the right side unless Manning is swapped for Laggeson or Jones.Don’t get me wrong, I love Larsson’s heart and grit, but he’s not resigning here in 2 years so we may as well develop his internal replacement in the early part of this season…

    This is an excellent take, IMO.

    To your last point, I was hoping each of Jones, Persson, Lagesson and Bear would get ~20 games each this season in order to find out what we have in each, but it looks like we’ll see some of them for more than that. We probably can’t keep all 4 players beyond this year as they all lose their waiver eligibility next summer, so it’s critical that the management team has as much information as possible before making a decision about which ones to keep and which to trade for young wingers.

    Larsson’s injury might well be a blessing in disguise for this reason.

  122. ArmchairGM says:

    Draisaitl’s reign as top scorer in the NHL didn’t last long.

    Neither did Benning’s reign as top defenseman.

    One of these guys will challenge for the top spot all season long – I’ll let you decide which one that will be.

  123. Jethro Tull says:

    buffalobill:
    Jethro Tull,

    Jethro wouldn’t it be a good time to bring in rookies when all the teams are sort of trying to find their way?

    It’s been said here. Rookie or not, if we have a player better than Russell, then he should play. But I was told in no uncertain terms earlier in the thread that this was a purely paper transaction.

  124. Jethro Tull says:

    geowal: It’s pretty understandable to at least consider it since his alternative is two rookies…in the 2nd game. Maybe if this were game 40 he keeps Russell on the left. He may yet still in game 2. I wouldn’t bury him for reviewing options.

    Do you remember part of the reason why the Oilers suck?

    Playing players in off positions above their capability.

    My main problem here is the verbal from all three coaches we’ve had in the last two years has been very similar. Two are vilified. The new guy gets a lot of leash because he’s new, right?

    I posted the other day. It’s not the coaches. It’s the roster.

  125. Jethro Tull says:

    Primetime: Why is it an insane waste of time?It’s merely a paper transaction, doesn’t hurt anyone.And wouldn’t you want an administration that is aware of all details and loopholes and willing to use all options, rather than one that doesn’t bother or, worse, doesn’t know?

    Nice “no true Scotsman.”

    So Chia’s shitty trades were just h learning the ins and outs of NHL trade regs?

    It’s a waste of time if you’re not going to use that cap anyway. If it was a million? Or Larsson was done for the season? Sure.

    Our true measure of Dave and Ken will be if nothing improves or starts to go wrong. That’s when people revert to who they are.

  126. Jethro Tull says:

    Side: Oiler fans can never be pleased. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

    Unless you want me accusing you of being an Oilers Kool-aid drinker every post, please stop this.

    There has to be many points of view presented and discussed for things to progress.

    I don’t have to agree with people’s opinions to respect them. But when you post something like this, it takes away any differing opinions validation and panders to the authority of popular opinion.

  127. jp says:

    Jethro Tull:

    It’s a waste of time if you’re not going to use that cap anyway. If it was a million? Or Larsson was done for the season? Sure.

    Our true measure of Dave and Ken will be if nothing improves or starts to go wrong. That’s when people revert to who they are.

    Is trying to win the opening faceoff a waste? It probably won’t matter to the outcome, but there’s a small chance it might.

    I see this $175k as exactly the same. Maybe more players get injured and the extra space gets used. Probably not. But shit, you’ve gotta cover all your bases the best you can. Why the hell would you not?

  128. Lowetide says:

    New for The Athletic: A shift-by-shift analysis of Ethan Bear in the Oilers’ season opener

    https://theathletic.com/1265651/2019/10/04/lowetide-a-shift-by-shift-analysis-of-ethan-bear-in-the-oilers-season-opener/

  129. Lowetide says:

    buffalobill:
    Lowetide,

    LT, you should ask him to rejoin the conversation, he is one of the reasons I have followed the blog for years

    People are free to come and go, this place is here when people have an urge to drop in. Doors open, but people have their reasons for not popping in, and I respect it.

  130. Lowetide says:

    northerndancer:
    Hey LT, wewere just having a little trip down memory lane. Canada Russia 1972, watching games on TV while at school.
    Where were you in 72? (besides up the road in Maidstone. I was in Biggar)What are your recollections of the series?

    Yes, Maidstone. They wheeled the television into the gym at good old MHS! I remember that series like it was yesterday.

  131. Side says:

    Jethro Tull: Unless you want me accusing you of being an Oilers Kool-aid drinker every post, please stop this.

    There has to be many points of view presented and discussed for things to progress.

    I don’t have to agree with people’s opinions to respect them. But when you post something like this, it takes away any differing opinions validation and panders to the authority of popular opinion.

    Holland’s paper transaction is part of his job. How on Earth is it an “insane waste of time” and whose time is being wasted exactly? You make it seem as if there are many different opinions around this move and lots of discussion that can come from this so, in that case, care to elaborate why you think this is such an enormous waste of time and whose time is being wasted?

    IMO, Holland is just doing his job here and it benefits the Oilers, objectively speaking. If that makes me a Kool-Aid drinker for pointing this out, I’m not sure what to tell you.

  132. Ice Sage says:

    Wyshinski with an interesting (and sensible IMO) stratification of NHL teams over at ESPN.com.
    Spoiler alert – we can look to it and claim the “Oilers are in a tier of their own”

  133. Ryan says:

    Lowetide:
    New for The Athletic: A shift-by-shift analysis of Ethan Bear in the Oilers’ season opener

    https://theathletic.com/1265651/2019/10/04/lowetide-a-shift-by-shift-analysis-of-ethan-bear-in-the-oilers-season-opener/

    Typo alert!

    “That play, the one in the photo, is now 18 months old, and Bear has done a lot of developing since then, one and off the ice. ”

  134. Ryan says:

    Ryan,

    Wondered about Smith.

    He Russell’s the puck out a lot by eye. Would love to see team shot metrics with him playing vs on the bench with the other goalie playing.

  135. Genjutsu says:

    Ryan: I’m confused. Your come reads like a non sequitur.

    If you’re going for next year, Sekera’s cap hit is on the books for $2.5m still. Two more after that for 1.5m each.

    We bought out Sekera a year too early to free up $3m in cap then we gave over 2m of that to Chiasson.

    That was an unforced error.

    Do you realize if they bought out Gagner they would have saved $2,1 m in cap this season and only had one million on the books for next season?

    I’m assuming not.

    You are confused. 6.5 is a larger number than 2.5.

    Your plan had 4 million less to add a player next year.

    Edit unless you planned to buyout Rej next year also.

    This pkan either way blocks a space to give at bats to players like Bear. Their are 4 D that they need to make a decision on this summer.

  136. jp says:

    Ryan:
    Ryan,

    Wondered about Smith.

    He Russell’s the puck out a lot by eye. Would love to see team shit metrics with him playing vs on the bench with the other goalie playing.

    Was thinking the same thing, lots of dump it to the neutral zone and watch it come back…

  137. Sierra says:

    Dr. Taboggan:
    Lucic -1 with 17 pims and no shots in his first game. Hahahah

    But he did some real intimidating!

    I wonder if he sits at the head of the table.

  138. Ryan says:

    Genjutsu: You are confused. 6.5 is a larger number than 2.5.

    Your plan had 4 million less to add a player next year.

    Edit unlessyou planned to buyout Rej next year also.

    This pkan either way blocks a space to give at bats to players like Bear. Their are 4 D that they need to make a decision on this summer.

    The problem with the Sekera buyout this year is that he still had two years on his contract, so his cap hit stays on for 4 seasons.

    Yes, I would have done the buyout of Sekera next season and Gagner this season while forgoing signing Chiasson.

    There are always opportunities to play d during the season with injuries etc.

    There’s also the chance that Sekera’s value rebounds this year a bit and you could have traded him next year with salary retained.

  139. Ryan says:

    jp: Was thinking the same thing, lots of dump it to the neutral zone and watch it come back…

    haha. I must have typed that post with Woodguy’s phone.

    I don’t have time right now, but a cursory look at last year suggests the shot metrics were better with Smith than Rittich.

    https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playerteams.php?fromseason=20182019&thruseason=20182019&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&stdoi=oi&rate=y&team=CGY&pos=G&loc=B&toi=0&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410&lines=single&draftteam=ALL

  140. Genjutsu says:

    Ryan: The problem with the Sekera buyout this year is that he still had two years on his contract, so his cap hit stays on for 4 seasons.

    Yes, I would have done the buyout of Sekera next season and Gagner this season while forgoing signing Chiasson.

    There are always opportunities to play d during the season with injuries etc.

    There’s also the chance that Sekera’s value rebounds this year a bit and you could have traded him next year with salary retained.

    I suppose their is the chance that happens however the “it was an unforced error” narative is highly debatable and some are stating it like its an absolute fact.

  141. geowal says:

    Jethro Tull: I posted the other day. It’s not the coaches. It’s the roster.

    Ok. Your first post read a lot more like a criticism of the coach than the roster. Roster – yes, RHD was already vulnerable, and now we are here.

  142. Side says:

    Ice Sage:
    Wyshinski with an interesting (and sensible IMO) stratification of NHL teams over at ESPN.com.
    Spoiler alert – we can look to it and claim the “Oilers are in a tier of their own”

    Thanks for that. Gave me a good chuckle.

  143. Ryan says:

    Genjutsu: I suppose their is the chance that happens however the “it was an unforced error” narative is highly debatable and some are stating it like its an absolute fact.

    It was an unforced error when you pair the buyout to signing Chiasson imo.

  144. Walter Gretzkys Neighbour says:

    So Lucic in his first game as a Flame decides to take exception to someone taking “a run at” someone….

    What a POS he was as an Oiler.

  145. rickithebear says:

    leadfarmer:
    rickithebear,

    Yet you can’t even give Manning away.
    Ricki the Binary Bear at it again
    Ricki D are out of the league, fayne etc
    How many Ricki forwards will get the axe this year.Granlund looks like he’s heading up the gallows pole.Gagner is there.And we are desperate for forwards
    Once you realize that your analysis is F
    EV goals For >10 =1. EV GF < 10 = 0
    Ricki Analysis for D
    EV GA per 60 top 60=1. Beyond top 60 = 0
    You realize why you are The Binary Bear

    You do realize:

    I have stated that GA is dmen to their side.
    And
    Save% from goalie relative to baseline established.

    I list 2 evga/60

    When he was #2 evga/60
    Cause he was in a 2D-1G system and elite to his side.
    Simple look at video shows 2 dmen defending.

    Holy fuck Manning was #1
    Same video evidence.

    Then I show manning paired with a top HD dman to his side generates elite evga/60
    Video evidence 2D defending.

    Talk of video evidence and structure that dictates absence of hybrid players called rovers.
    See Larssons numbers climb.

    All simple video review.
    Showing failure to side.

    I even suggested a little self training by watching def break down over last 2 years.
    In step by step sequence.
    It is enlightening.

    All multivariable break down of def structure.
    That a simple evga/60 number can show.

    I am sorry you do not have the ability to organize simple multivariable theory.
    Or
    To lazy to follow the instructions to enlightenment.

    It is as simple as going to Nat stat trick.
    1. Select individual
    -Filter by
    year
    Even strength
    Rates
    Skater
    492 ev min( top12 fwd( ( top 7 d) ( approx 589)
    The look at
    -evg/60
    – eva/60
    -Evp/60
    Right away you will say
    “Almost every dman sucks offensively.”
    “The top 9 fwds need to have the puck.”

    2. Make a list of top 60 dmen.
    With thier skater ranks.

    3. Select on ice
    – filter by
    Year
    Even strength
    Rates
    Defencemen
    657 min ( top 6 d) (approx 186)
    -Look at evga/60
    Remember a simple set of fwd, d, skater filter gf and ga/60 establishes evga/60 median
    Approx 2.64 evga/60 last 2 season.
    -Look at evga/60 rank of top Off dmen.
    -Make note of the dmen with evga/60 below 2.64/60

    – Look at attacking structure of the
    -low evga/60 dmen
    – High evga/60 dmen.
    4th/5th attacking option vs Rover HD abandonment

    I have done this for more than a decade.
    Constantly post these numbers.

    It is simple pattern recognition thru video and data.

    Lead farmer it is common sense.
    A single number shows us.
    Cause you should have the mental smarts to take the structure Video to see we’re the failure is.
    It has to be video.
    Not (“false eye affect”) memory.
    Plus it lets you track baseline ( Belichek and me) play.

    I expect everyone to think at this grade 5 pattern recognition level.

    Lead you seem to think everything in binary.

    Sorry but I do not have a blog to show the video break down of the repeat structures.

    One educational Dman is Giordano.
    His game has become a 4/5th attacking dman with a lot less HD area abandonment.
    But he has proven you can still be a bottom open HD sh dman to his side.
    20 worst last 5 years.
    But as a Dpair we see better evga/60 from him.

  146. Doug McLachlan says:

    ArmchairGM: Maybe, although Bear has been better the last few games. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Tippett go

    Klefbom – Persson
    Nurse – Bear
    Russell – Benning

    This is actually my preferred alignment but it necessitates a philosophical shift for Coach T as there is NO shutdown pairing and now three puck-moving pairs. That is closer to the brand of hockey I prefer and may work for a bit but (and I know this is foolish to contemplate at this point) it is not well suited, IMHO, for NHL playoff hockey. I consider that a tomorrow problem and hope this is how things shake out.

  147. GordieHoweHatTrick says:

    rickithebear: 14/15 – 15/16
    Manning #1D 1.50 evga/60
    Larsson #2D 1.64 evga/60

    18/19
    Bouchard 3.37 evga/60
    Jones 3.92 evga/60
    Lagesson zero games.

    Last year
    Manning – Benning 1.31 evga/60

    Just some facts.

    What facts formed your opinion.

    Remember off Dmen who leave leave 2D – 1G structure
    Occupy forward space and almost all are 4 th line or worse even offence producers.

    He sucks

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