Head to Head: Oilers versus the McKenzie list

by Lowetide

Going back to the beginning of this decade, Oilers fans have argued the team would be more effective drafting from an “industry” guide as opposed to employing scouts. That’s a pretty big claim, but we do have Edmonton’s draft record and Bob McKenzie’s annual lists, so it’s possible to drill down and find out how well the team did against what some call the industry bible. Let’s have a look.

THE ATHLETIC!

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  • Lowetide: Finding the best candidates for the final two spots on the Oilers skill lines in 2019-20.
  • Jonathan Willis: Projecting the Oilers’ opening night lineup, line combinations and more.
  • Lowetide: Does the James Neal acquisition impact Oilers’ prospects in 2019-20?
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  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Ken Holland puts his stamp on the Oilers with first big move in Lucic-Neal trade
  • Jonathan Willis: Ken Holland ends an ugly situation for the Oilers by trading Milan Lucic for James Neal
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Potential free-agent options for the Oilers in 2020
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  • Lowetide: Looking ahead to Oilers training camp: 35 players for 23 jobs
  • Jonathan Willis: Josh Archibald won’t fix the Oilers’ biggest problems, but he’ll help with some key issues.
  • Lowetide: Will the 2019-20 Bakersfield Condors be the Oilers’ best minor-league team ever?
  • Lowetide: Oilers top 20 prospects summer 2019.

2010 DRAFT

The McKenzie list graduated three bona fide NHL regulars who I think we can agree covered their draft bet. Edmonton? Full value for Hall, and some bad luck with Pitlick (who was in the range). The Marincin pick was off the board. A clear win for the McKenzie list.

2011 DRAFT

Both lists shine, McKenzie delivers two forwards and the Oilers gather up Nuge and Oscar. Both lists swing and miss once, I think this is a pick ’em. You?

2012 DRAFT

The 2012 draft was the weakest of the decade and that hurt Edmonton’s significant opportunity to improve. Now, they were hurting themselves too, but a stronger No. 1 would have helped enormously. The difference here is Khaira, who helps the Oilers pass BM’s list.

2013 DRAFT

I was a fan of MacT’s trades down and even though they didn’t work out the Oilers should do it again if the opportunity presents itself. Edmonton got a better first-round pick than McKenzie’s scouts and that fact wins the day.

2014 DRAFT

I was onboard with Bennett and the Oilers had their choice of player. We’ll never know how the conversation went, but whoever slammed his hand on the table and screamed Draisaitl should receive the Nobel scouting prize.

2015 DRAFT

What a tremendous moment. I know what happened afterward and I know you know what happened afterward, but that single moment in time was the power and the glory.

2016 DRAFT

This draft is too early to call, but if Jesse Puljujarvi can find his way and Benson emerges as a useful forward it has a chance to be quality. The season ahead is massive for the entire group.

2017 DRAFT

I like this draft for several reasons, but the most promising name from has changed since these players were chosen. I’m still a fan of Yamamoto, but that wrist injury is a concern and the Oilers brass aren’t trumpeting him. On the other hand, Samorukov has emerged as a top flight prospect and appears poised to pass some blue on the pro depth chart this winter. I think the Oilers have a real player here.

2018 DRAFT

I’m not sure who compiled the better list but am fairly certain both defensemen chosen in the first round are going to have an impact in the NHL. Many miles to go.

2019 DRAFT

The first-round selection will be discussed for a long time, Zegras isn’t Turcotte but he’s brilliant and skilled. Broberg’s offense reminds me of Klefbom’s, we just don’t have enough evidence to measure it. A massive stroke of luck to get Lavoie in the second round. The journey has not yet begun.

CONCLUSION

Using McKenzie as the comp list, we lose some of the strongest arguments against Edmonton’s scouting this decade. Alex DeBrincat wasn’t the top available name on McKenzie’s list when the Oilers chose Tyler Benson. The publicly available scouting reports on that day suggested DeBrincat was not the obvious choice. Math rankings, like mine, identified him, because there was no size bias.

The best arguments for Edmonton’s drafting in this decade are impressive. In choosing Draisaitl over Bennett, the club made a brilliant choice that wasn’t in agreement with the McKenzie list. I’ll also list Klefbom and Nurse as clear wins and Khaira as a savant selection by someone.

The McKenzie selections that reflect poorly on Oilers scouts are Merrill over Pitlick, Toffoli over Marincin, Saad over Musil. I don’t see a clear win for the McKenzie list since 2011. Lots of time for these two lists to seperate. Two questions: First, would you like me to run something similar from Pronman or Button? I don’t know if I can find all of them. Also, which group would you prefer? Leon, Klefbom and Nurse, or Saad, Merrill or Toffoli?

50-MAN ROSTER (50)

There are two slides and we’re still waiting for Jesse Puljujarvi’s 2019-20 destination to be finalized. If JP heads to Europe, or signs with Edmonton, the next transaction after it could be a No. 3 center added via the waiver wire or late pre-season trade.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

It’s Friday! In summer! K-Days and sunshine! We hit the ground running at 10 this morning, TSN1260. Steve Lansky from BigMouthSports will join us at 10:20 to talk Live Cam CFL football tonight (he’s part of the coverage) as well as K-Days and MLB trade deadline. Matt Iwanyk will pop in to talk about the Eskimos victory last night and an Edmonton team with Grey Cup aspirations.

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Ben

I love this hindsight stuff. This was wayyy closer than I thought it would be.

Curious though: are there any cogent metrics by which one could evaluate the development of drafted players? Some rough conversion numbers based on draft position to NHL GP? Too many variables for that to be useful?

Also, though I agree that GP is useful for this kind of side-by-side, there’s a big part of the story missing when we’re looking at cases like Leon/Bennett.

Ben

By the way LT, is slotting JP as your 5th RW merit-based or random?

Holland’s obviously been intentional about placing multiple roadblocks between the big club and Benson/Jones/Bouchard/Yamamoto. Big waiver action coming up should one or two of them force the issue.

OriginalPouzar

The McKenzie list is an aggregate of the lists of 10-12 high ranking team scouts, if I’m not mistaken. That list should really outperform any individual team list and the fact that the Oilers seem to have done well in the last decade in relation to the “master list” is definitely some food for thought.

defmn

Really enjoyed the look back. Puts some perspective on things to know that McKenzie’s “averaging” from his list of scouts reveals just how much isn’t known about these kids on the day when teams bet their futures on them.

who

It will be interesting to follow Bouchard and Dobson over the next few years.
I was hoping for Dobson on draft day, but that’s because I had seen him as a dominant 17 year old in the Memorial Cup. Before the draft I had only seen a few highlights of Bouchard.
Dobson appears to be the better skater with a wider range of skills. That combo still makes me lean towards Dobson but maybe Bouchards big offensive brain will make up for his other shortcomings?
I need more viewings.

Kinger_Oil.redux

– This is interesting stuff. If one’s take-away is that our drafting this decade has been impressive, I disagree. Sure most of the high picks have done well. Drai in particular worked well (while Yak and Pool so far haven’t, and RNH is a very good player, but not a game changer 1st overall)

– From my perspective though: having only Jar and Lander to show for a decade of non-1rst round drafting is not successful. But maybe we are talking about different things, as the focus is the Mackenzie list vs our picks in early rounds

– Outside of the 1st/2nd round, anywhere from 4-12 players per round make it 4-5 years out

Justenvogt

What a fascinating exercise, you are truly a gift to us readers LT! The list with the best player wins, just like a trade. Oilers scouts (Draisaitl) > BM list (Saad).

PinkSocks

This is top flight stuff here LT, thank you. Very interesting to see how the organization has done in the past. For a future list, count me in to run the comparisons against Button’s lists. He is sometimes a bit whacky with his rankings, but I always enjoy reading his reasoning behind it and am very interested how Button stacks up against the Oilers.

And I take Leon/Klef/Nurse over Saad/Merrill/Toffoli 7 days a week.

Andy Dufresne

Wow. Thank you LT. I’ve wanted to see this comaprison for years now. But havent because thats just how lazy I am.

Two conclusions / points of interest

1) How much ($) does McKenzie spend compiling his list vs How much ($) do the Oilers spend compiling theirs??

2) McKenzies lists provide a reasonable average return. Where it appears you beat averages is in “hitting” on green on the roulette board. That is, hitting a home run every now and then. Draisaitl, Klefbomb. (Samorukov?)

As for which one next, you’ve got the Pronman style list vs the Button style list. They each have thier unique attributes, as does your list.

So the next comparison I’d like to see by far, is Oilers vs Lowetide

Alternatively, Oilers vs whichever of Blue Bullet / McKeens / Dobber whose methodolgy that you think is the most advanced / evolved / comprehensive.

Thanks again for….well…..not being lazy!

After-thought:
Consensus = Assuming less risk ( hitting more singles and doubles)
Assuming Less Risk = Less Likely to Strike Gold (reaching base more often but hitting less triples and homeruns)

Full circle to Weaver vs Herzog !

dustrock

Really cool idea, LT. Was legit shocked it was that close.

Side

Was there really an Ostap Safin and Ostap Sain in 2017? Or is that a typo?

Andy Dufresne

LT, just theoretically, if you were to add a second layer of anlaysis to your list above, where the first layer is Games Played, what would the second layer be? Pts Per Game? Overall Points (weighted for defensemen)? Something else?

(Edit: This is how lazy guys motivate other people to do their work for them 🙂 They plant a seed. Things that make you go Hmmmmm. Note to self: Change Login Name to Tom Sawyer)

€√¥£€^$

John Marino’s rights traded to Pittsburgh. Disappointed, but not surprised.

Marino will play in the NHL within 3 years, but it remains to be seen whether he or Kemp will be the better player, Kemp is looking pretty good and add in Kesselring as very intriguing.

Bag of Pucks

LT, thanks for sparing us old-timers the same comparison for the Prendergast years.

Btw, if Leon were to post another 50 goal season this year, would he enter the conversation as a ‘generational’ player?

Weird that neither Kane or Toews are described as generational imo given their impacts. Same with OV. Crosby gets called generational but Alex does not?

PinkSocks

Marino for a conditional 6th. Too bad he was moved, but who knows what he will become. If we can’t / didn’t intend to sign him, Holland is at least getting something in return.

It also brings up another damning bit of evidence that Chiarelli was completely incompetent. Rutherford makes the pick conditional on the Penguins signing Marino. Compare that to Hayden Hawkey, giving the Habs a pick with no conditions attached. Small details that may be insignificant in the vast scheme of things, but little things add up.

PinkSocks

Bag of Pucks:
LT, thanks for sparing us old-timers the same comparison for the Prendergast years.

Btw, if Leon were to post another 50 goal season this year, would he enter the conversation as a ‘generational’ player?

Weird that neither Kane or Toews are described as generational imo given their impacts. Same with OV. Crosby gets called generational but Alex does not?

Pretty sure Ovechkin is considered generational, especially considering the player has a chance to break 800G and flirt with Gretzky’s record.

oil-in-the-blood

I would take Leon, Klefbom and Nurse…BUT man oh man I have always liked Saad, even though he seems to have dropped off a bit….

BlueNoteNorth

Awesome read LT. More comparisons with other lists would be great.

defmn

Should also be noted that two of the three significant “wins” – Nurse, Klefbom and Draisaitl – took place on MacT’s watch.

oil-in-the-blood

OV is def generational, its interesting to think about if OV played in the 80’s… how many goals… I realize there are a ton of factors that could change him/play etc… but its cool to think about…

Andy Dufresne

McDavid + Draisaitl + Good Drafting = Lord Stanley’s Cup

Once I owned McDavid & Draisaitl I would immediatley transistion from playing Herzog style to playing Weaver ball !

The key to winning is innovation and adaptation. Is proper drafting style situational? I think so.

#adaptordie
#adapttothechangingcircumstancesordie

(more accurately: McDavid + Draisaitl + Good Drafting + Goalies + Luck = Lord Stanley’s Cup)

Brantford Boy

Great post LT… I’d still take the Oilers list, Draisaitl tips the scale too much…

I’d be interested to see the other comparisons if you get around to it.

I also like your 3rd line on the 50 man, RNH can take care of Neal’s defensive shortcomings, and both wingers can drive to the net with size… thank our lucky stars we still have Nuge.

With all these previous draft posts, I’ve been wondering lately about the whole Taylor for Tyler pick, would anyone sway now that we know what we know?

Greenberg

Just an opinion. You ask if you should spread today’s adventure into consideration of comparisons with other prognosticators. The reason I suggest a good hard YES is simply due to the energy you devote, and the sometimes bitter energy the posters devote, to the draft. It is a good exercise to examine events six months or a year or two years later. After all, it’s all about predicting the future and it is a subject we are all fools on, no exception. Even NotreDamus screwed up here and there. He really flubbed McDavid. And he probably thought Edmonton was a mountain in Peru. Google might have helped him if he had had a plug.

I still think you should take two weeks off every year around about now, giving everyone a shot at refreshing their egos. But I know better. You’re addicted to feeding our addiction to the slowly becoming mighty Oil.

Andy Dufresne

Greenberg: I still think you should take two weeks off every year around about now, giving everyone a shot at refreshing their egos. But I know better. You’re addicted to feeding our addiction to the slowly becoming mighty Oil.

#feedthebeast

Kinger_Oil.redux

Greenberg:

I still think you should take two weeks off every year around about now, giving everyone a shot at refreshing their egos. But I know better. You’re addicted to feeding our addiction to the slowly becoming mighty Oil.

– Over the year’s I’ve suggested this to LT as well. Even have “guest posts” lined up or something

– Daily cartoon writers, and some journalists post stuff everyday (but even they take breaks)

– I bet LT would really benefit from a few weeks away as well, as would all us posters…

anjinsan

MacTavish was very clear in his reasoning why he took Nurse (need for that kind of D) and Draisaitl (we need a big center!).

LT, you didn’t tell the full story regarding 2015…MacKenzie’s pics at 16, 33, 57, etc should be listed in gross contrast to what happened! That catastrophe set into motion all that followed and follows.

godot10

defmn:
Should also be noted that two of the three significant “wins” – Nurse, Klefbom and Draisaitl – took place on MacT’s watch.

Klefbom was on Tambellini’s watch.

Kinger_Oil.redux

– Is the take away that we have done good drafting the last 10 years, or that we did better than Mackenzie in the first few rounds picks?

Aron_S

LT, if you continue to offer to work for us for free, then I’d vote for the Pronman list if you can find them. Alternatively, it’d be interesting to see the Red Wings scouting lists vs BM now that Holland is on board, but I know that DNB did something similar at the Athletic.

Bag of Pucks

I’d be very surprised if LT isn’t taking advantage of WordPress’s scheduling feature during summer vacay season.

All work and no play makes Tidey a dull boy.

Anyone else enjoying the gin this summer? They’re doing lovely things with botanicals these days.

Gin Buck: Gin and ginger ale with a dash of lemon juice. Maybe the perfect patio cocktail. Pour it in a diamond glass and feel like Jay Gatsby for a night. Where’s my flapper?!

rickithebear

5 evg by a Dman is top pairing ( top 62)
From 05-06 their were 21 occurances of 5 evg or greater in Holland’s time in Detroit.
0f those 21 these were the 3-2-1 HD area responsible dmen.
Lidstrom 5
Kronwall 4
deykeyser 3
Schneider 2
Daleyb1
Lebda 1
Rafalski 1

Deykeyser is who Lagesson reminds of.

SkatinginSand

LT, I am continually amazed at how you can keep us engaged through the dog days of summer. Well done.

Justthestatsman

It would be interesting to see this comparison for all teams to see how far off Bob’s list the traditionally good and bad drafting teams really are. Not willing to put in the work myself however…

rickithebear

Cassandra.
I was aware of F1, F2, F3 movement of current NHL in the DZ huge failure & OZ
But was visually cued and saw a natural movement back to traditional structure.
You say their is not a Pavlovian tendency to move back to traditional expected position.
The 3 targeting factors do exist.

I will seed to your position.
I have allways been willing to have my mind changed.
Thus is the first valid argument were the data is not large enough.

At the start of next year it will be nice to see what% of OZ holds old structure.

What I thought was a theorem is now once again a theory.

PS: my wife sat me down and said last night during our (discussions) intellectual arguements we have ( editor of a newspaper are never wrong) I have been needing to win since my Illness.

She did say you can be a prick.
Cause they sure fucking are.

We seek those who make us better!

A couple weeks of Lions training camp is good.

The most consistent things of NWE final 4 2012 -2018
Was consecutive seasons of
-Brady top 10 QB TD% seasons
– Patricia’s Top 8 PPG defences.

My lions were #1 PPG Defence last half of year.

defmn

godot10: Klefbom was on Tambellini’s watch.

Yeah. That is why I said two of three.

LadiesloveSmid

Remember when Nuge had Hall & Eberle for linemates?

Remember when Tambellini was the worst because he signed Belanger to a $1.75M AAV deal and only added Smithson at the deadline?

I am so damn pessimistic for this season it hurts my heart.

Romulus Apotheosis

Side:
Was there really an Ostap Safin and Ostap Sain in 2017? Or is that a typo?

In this case it just means he was the top player from Bob’s list available both times the Oilers picked. And he was still available later, when the Oilers actually picked him 🙂

106 and 106

EDM trades John Marino to PIT for conditional 6th rounder in 2021.

dustrock

Romulus Apotheosis: In this case it just means he was the top player from Bob’s list available both times the Oilers picked. And he was still available later, when the Oilers actually picked him

Hey Romulus.

IIRC, you took a close look at Draisaitl in his draft year, and you convinced me he was a better bet than Bennett and Reinhart.

Not sure Mac T saw your posts, but maybe you deserve all of the credit!

defmn

anjinsan:
MacTavish was very clear in his reasoning why he took Nurse (need for that kind of D) and Draisaitl (we need a big center!).

‘Why’ is the interrogative that always has multiple answers which is why trial lawyers love to exploit its ambiguity. 😉

At the end of the day for any other perceived shortcomings of his tenure as GM two of the three ‘wins’ were during MacT’s two years at the helm. This is not meant as an endorsement of his GM skills but it might mean his true talent is as a scout.

Professor Q

Side:
Was there really an Ostap Safin and Ostap Sain in 2017? Or is that a typo?

I’m not sure what’s going on there, as LT has BM’s #51 listed as both (78 and 84).

Unless LT and BM were so excited about Ostap Safin that they wanted Edmonton to draft him twice in the same year?

Seems like this is not the case:

https://lowetide.ca/2017/06/07/a-hazy-shade-of-winter/

LT (78-84):

RC Nathan Schnarr, Guelph Storm (OHL). Big center with speed, a little shy offensively.

LC Jordy Bellerive, Lethbridge Hurricanes (WHL). Undersized, nifty and aggressive F with skill.

LD Jack Rathbone, Dexter School (USHS). A bullet on skates, very skilled.

LD Robin Salo, Sport Vaasa (SML). Two-way defender, mature.

LD Cameron Crotty, Brockville Braves (CCHL). Intelligent two-way defender, great passer.

RD Dylan Coghlan, Tri-City Americans (WHL). 2-way defender, good skater, spiking offensively.

L Filip Chytal, HC Zlin (Czech). Two-way C, skilled, intriguing prospect.

Though LT actually made his list or actual Oilers picks quite different, and had them trading away #78 or trading #82 for #78, I think?

Third Round: No. 82 overall (FROM ST. LOUIS—this is payment for Nail Yakupov)—LD Mario Ferraro, Des Moines Buccaneers (USHL).

Third Round: No. 84 overall—L Jonah Gadjovich, Owen Sound Attack (OHL).

BM (78-84):

https://lowetide.ca/2017/06/19/mckenzie-list-offers-clarity/

Third Round: No. 82 overall (FROM ST. LOUIS—this is payment for Nail Yakupov)—RC Morgan Geekie, Tri-City Americans (WHL). I have him No. 30, Geekie is No. 86 on the McKenzie list. C w/2-way rep and emerging offense. This is his second year of eligibility but his spike offensively (90 points from 25 a year ago).

Third Round: No. 84 overall—LC Mason Shaw, Medicine Hat Tigers (WHL). I have him No. 32, he is honorable mention on the BM list. Small skill C, terrific skills. He is small and not fast, but very productive.

https://www.tsn.ca/mckenzie-s-draft-ranking-top-93-and-honourable-mentions-1.778987

51. Ostap Safin

78. Jack Rathbone
82. Fabian Zetterlund
84. Hayden Primeau

I’m not sure what LT is showing, actually.

Professor Q

LadiesloveSmid:
Remember when Nuge had Hall & Eberle for linemates?

Remember when Tambellini was the worst because he signed Belanger to a $1.75M AAV deal and only added Smithson at the deadline?

I am so damn pessimistic for this season it hurts my heart.

Added Smithson for a 2nd though, and didn’t re-sign him. Maybe it was a 3rd? But still.

rickithebear

During MacT’s GM reign:
2013:
Nurse #7
Slepyshev #88 Top 6 fwd evg winger pace both partial seasons. With .25 g/ gm playoff rate.
40gm 4 evg
50gm 6 evg
2014:
Draisaitl #3
Lagesson #91
2015: Mact had in his pocket before he was replaced
Pick #1
Pick #16
Had arranged Talbot trade with slather with pick #57 ( petry trade) & pick #79 ( hemsky trade)
A top 5 open HD shot save% goalie.
Sather Said he completed the deal with PC cause MacT was still with the .org

Mcdavid
Barzal
RNH
Would be nice center depth.

Like LT, Desjardins NHLE age translation suggests draft +5 you know what you got at forward.
Interesting to see what PC forward drafts yeild us.
JP draft +3
Benson draft +3
Yamamoto draft +2
Safin draft +2
Maximov draft +2
Mcleod draft +1

geowal

Technical difficulties question from the youngest Luddite around: I’m trying to text LTs show. The text line is 101260. I take this to mean that the number I punch in to send this to is 101260 and nothing else, and I type my message underneath like any other message. But I’ve never managed it, I just tried and got a reply from “Phoenix Industrial” (they might be looking for workers!).
What am I doing wrong? Do you have to be in the Edmonton market? I’m still in Alberta. Thx all.

Bag of Pucks

PinkSocks: Pretty sure Ovechkin is considered generational, especially considering the player has a chance to break 800G and flirt with Gretzky’s record.

He definitely is in retrospect, but he wasn’t described as such at the time of his drafting. And in the dialogue on generational players, it tends to be the usual suspects: Orr, Gretzky, Lemieux, Crosby, McDavid with Ovey not in the conversation.

Lindros was actually considered generational at the time of his draft.

It’s also a term too biased towards Fs. Roy, Brodeur, Lidstrom, Pronger, Bourque were all generational talents.

rickithebear

When I looked more into Lavoirs age NHLE seasons.
His draft year season kind of mirrored Sean Monohans regressed draft year.
Monahan
Draft -1 age NHLE 33G 79P
Draft age NHLE 23G 57P

Lavoie
Draft -1 age NHLE 28G 60P
Draft age NHLE 22G 50P
His playoff performance in draft year was more reflective of the draft -1 player.

Monahan has gone on to be the player draft -1 said he was.
Hopefully Lavoie is the draft -1 and draft playoff player.

mcleod
Draft -1 age NHLE 9G 40p
Draft age NHLE 16G 44P
Draft +1 age NHLE 11G 35P
Draft +1 Mississauga games age NHLE 13G 40P
Draft +1 Saginaw games age NHLE 8G 26P

His seasons suggest a 13G 41P forward.
But a fast skating one.

doritogrande

I’m curious if there are McKenzie lists from the Prendergast era, for comparisons. I feel like that’s the period when drafting (especially in rounds 2 and on) really let this team down. Count me as standing behind the Oilers scouts for the past decade, they’re making good decisions folks.

ACalgaryOilFan

Lowetide – it would be interesting to look at Ken Holland’s record over that same time vs BM. Thanks for all the work you do!

Side

Professor Q: I’m not sure what’s going on there, as LT has BM’s #51 listed as both (78 and 84).

Unless LT and BM were so excited about Ostap Safin that they wanted Edmonton to draft him twice in the same year?

Seems like this is not the case:

https://lowetide.ca/2017/06/07/a-hazy-shade-of-winter/

LT (78-84):

RC Nathan Schnarr, Guelph Storm (OHL). Big center with speed, a little shy offensively.

LC Jordy Bellerive, Lethbridge Hurricanes (WHL). Undersized, nifty and aggressive F with skill.

LD Jack Rathbone, Dexter School (USHS). A bullet on skates, very skilled.

LD Robin Salo, Sport Vaasa (SML). Two-way defender, mature.

LD Cameron Crotty, Brockville Braves (CCHL). Intelligent two-way defender, great passer.

RD Dylan Coghlan, Tri-City Americans (WHL). 2-way defender, good skater, spiking offensively.

L Filip Chytal, HC Zlin (Czech). Two-way C, skilled, intriguing prospect.

Though LT actually made his list or actual Oilers picks quite different, and had them trading away #78 or trading #82 for #78, I think?

Third Round: No. 82 overall (FROM ST. LOUIS—this is payment for Nail Yakupov)—LD Mario Ferraro, Des Moines Buccaneers (USHL).

Third Round: No. 84 overall—L Jonah Gadjovich, Owen Sound Attack (OHL).

BM (78-84):

https://lowetide.ca/2017/06/19/mckenzie-list-offers-clarity/

Third Round: No. 82 overall (FROM ST. LOUIS—this is payment for Nail Yakupov)—RC Morgan Geekie, Tri-City Americans (WHL). I have him No. 30, Geekie is No. 86 on the McKenzie list. C w/2-way rep and emerging offense. This is his second year of eligibility but his spike offensively (90 points from 25 a year ago).

Third Round: No. 84 overall—LC Mason Shaw, Medicine Hat Tigers (WHL). I have him No. 32, he is honorable mention on the BM list. Small skill C, terrific skills. He is small and not fast, but very productive.

https://www.tsn.ca/mckenzie-s-draft-ranking-top-93-and-honourable-mentions-1.778987

51. Ostap Safin

78. Jack Rathbone
82. Fabian Zetterlund
84. Hayden Primeau

I’m not sure what LT is showing, actually.

Damn, I was hoping there was a Safin and Sain in the draft, maybe even an Ostap Sin.

A line of Sin-Sain-Safin would have been great.

till_horcoff_is_coach

Fantastic content for Mid-summer LT. I agree with general consensus here that Oilers beat the BM list – especially if you consider the agony that would be if Oil had Bennett and Flames took Drai.

I would be interested in how your list stands up over these years plus a few before 2010. Also the suggestion to see Detroit’s success over the same period is also intriguing.

Lastly I would toss the idea that measuring salaries earned or current cap hit would be interesting measurement tool over GP for the older players as it would show how much organizations might value the players (still a problem with overpaying gms but interesting nonetheless.