Summer of ’16

At the 2016 draft, the Edmonton Oilers had something going on. Then the Columbus Blue Jackets turned the draft upside down and left Peter Chiarelli and company to select Jesse Puljujarvi, the giant mannish boy from rural Finland. Music! Matthew Tkachuk, Clayton Keller and Mikhail Sergachev remained on the board.

In the second round, the Oilers chose Tyler Benson. Immediately we saw reports where he had been skating in Edmonton (with Oscar Klefbom) and the organization had inside intel on his (good health). More music!

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of the group, here’s an incredible Offer!

  • New Lowetide: Is Kirill Maksimov progressing as the Edmonton Oilers’ next great hope for a true homegrown sniper?
  • Jonathan Willis: Oilers ease pressure on crowded defensive pipeline by trading John Marino to the Penguins
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: What the 2021-22 Oilers might look like after their steady build toward contender status
  • Lowetide: Joel Persson is ideally situated to win an opening night roster spot with the Oilers
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: What the 2019-20 Oilers might look like without trade missteps.
  • Lowetide: Finding the best candidates for the final two spots on the Oilers skill lines in 2019-20.
  • Jonathan Willis: Projecting the Oilers’ opening night lineup, line combinations and more.
  • Lowetide: Does the James Neal acquisition impact Oilers’ prospects in 2019-20?
  • Lowetide: Oilers’ acquisition of James Neal could add badly needed scoring to the top two lines.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Ken Holland puts his stamp on the Oilers with first big move in Lucic-Neal trade
  • Jonathan Willis: Ken Holland ends an ugly situation for the Oilers by trading Milan Lucic for James Neal
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Potential free-agent options for the Oilers in 2020
  • Jonathan Willis: Which Oilers defencemen can make an outlet pass?
  • Lowetide: Looking ahead to Oilers training camp: 35 players for 23 jobs
  • Jonathan Willis: Josh Archibald won’t fix the Oilers’ biggest problems, but he’ll help with some key issues.
  • Lowetide: Will the 2019-20 Bakersfield Condors be the Oilers’ best minor-league team ever?
  • Lowetide: Oilers top 20 prospects summer 2019.

HARVEST MOON 2016

I ranked 150 players for the 2016 entry draft and the Oilers drafted six of them. I ranked Edmonton’s picks in this way:

No. 3—R Jesse Puljujarvi, Karpat (Sm-Liiga): Big, fast, rambunctious.
No. 34—L Tyler Benson, Vancouver Giants (WHL). Physical two-way forward. Injured a lot.
No. 61—RD Filip Berglund, Skelleftea AIK (SEL). Intriguing offense, may take awhile.
No. 108—LD Markus Niemelainen, Saginaw Spirit (OHL). Giant defender, mobile, some offense.
No. 112—C Aapeli Rasanen, Tappara U20 (Jr. SML). A fine prospect, good size and skill.
No. 145—LD Matthew Cairns, Georgetown Raiders (OJHL). Smart defender with good size, mobility.

It has not gone well since 2016. Puljujarvi has struggled to find his way, and that’s on and off the ice. If he has an inside champion it isn’t possible to see from the outside. Whatever the barriers holding him back, they are real enough to put the big man’s NHL future in doubt. Per 82 games, JP is 10-12-22. His hip surgeries this summer put his health for training camp in question, but the real issue is contract and where he plays in 2019-20.

Tyler Benson is the brightest light in the sky of the 2016 draft, coming off a truly impressive AHL campaign with a clear shot at NHL work this winter. His NHLE (37) suggests he might get some time on a skill line and would bring enough offense to hang in the top 9F.

Markus Niemelainen had a much better sophomore season in the Sm-Liiga but I don’t think he’s pushing for NHL duty (or a contract). Edmonton controls his rights until June 1, 2020.

Matthew Cairns had the most difficult time getting into games after he was drafted. He checked down from the USHL to BCHL in draft plus one, and then barely played as a freshman at Cornell. He improved in his sophomore season so there’s still a spark.

Filip Berglund is a player I liked a lot in his draft year, and he’s posted two solid if unspectacular seasons in the SHL. Not much buzz around him, Edmonton holds his rights until June 1, 2020.

Dylan Wells has performed well since his draft season, earned a contract and showed some potential in his first year pro. Miles to go and there’s plenty of competition.

Graham McPhee was progressing well as a two-way forward at Boston College, but the entire program experienced a power outage his McPhee was part of it. Fell from 24 points to nine and will need a big senior season.

Aapeli Rasanen also played at Boston College, and scored five goals (one more than he posted as a freshman). Rasanen has the reputation of a two-way center, something the Oilers badly need.

Vincent Desharnais earned solid reviews as a shutdown defender during his time with Providence College, but there was no NHL contract at the end of his college career.

Kevin Prendergast was Edmonton’s scouting director in the early years of this century. He used to say an NHL team needed two actual players per draft to keep pace, and badly needed to score in the first round. He lost his job at the 2007 draft when the club chose three men in the first round and didn’t come out with close to enough value.

The 2016 draft was run by Bob Green and a lot is riding on young Mr. Benson. If Ken Holland can get Jesse Puljujarvi signed, and Dave Tippett can unlock him, the 2016 draft can be saved. I don’t think we’ll have the same level of uncertainty about this draft one year from now. That could be good or bad news.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

A busy morning, dominated by MLB and the trade deadline. I have three potential baseball guests lined up, their availability depends on media avails in exotic places like Kansas City. Scott Mitchell from TSN, Cam Lewis from Jays Nation and Jason Gregor from TSN1260 are all likely to contribute, but it’s a loose show, kind of like Neil Young at the Fillmore. 10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter, we get rolling at 10 on TSN1260.

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156 Responses to "Summer of ’16"

  1. Andy Dufresne says:

    “Exotic places like Kansas City”

    haha

  2. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    – There is a really good piece on Benson in Blue Bullet by Brad

    – There have been much chatter slotting Benson in top-9 and good to go now.

    – Here’s the link:https://bluebulletreport.com/2019/07/24/what-to-expect-from-tyler-benson/

    – Here’s the take-away:

    – As for expectations for the 2019-20 season, fans should temper their expectations…If Benson has an average season, in comparison to these seven players, one should expect 40 GP and 12 points. That is a reasonable line in the sand. There is evidence to suggest that Benson could end up being a top six forward, just don’t expect it to be this coming season.

    – KINGER TAKE: Unless Benson-McD-Kass, he’s not an impact this year. Projecting him to do so ignores the numbers. I hope he does, but I don’t have evidence (only hope) to support it

  3. Andy Dufresne says:

    FUN FACT:

    Q) What does Kansas City have in common with the Edmonton Oilers?

    A) They both suffered through a “Pendergast Era”

  4. Andy Dufresne says:

    When I think of Kansas City, I think of George Brett and the Kansas City Stockyards.

    But did you know that Kansas CIty is:

    1) The headquarters of Hallmark Cards, Hostess Brands, and Russell Stover Candies
    2) The birthplace of everything “Disney”
    3) Famous for BBQ and BBQ style resteraunts

    Anyplace thats responsible for George Brett, BBQ, and Twinkies is OK with me !!!

    Disney I can forgive. haha.

  5. Andy Dufresne says:

    I dont know if anyone has noticed, but there seems to be a direct correlation between drafting well and winning in the NHL.

    The Edmonton Oilers suck at drafting.

    If they werent this century’s version of the Hartford Whalers, they wouldnt have all those 1 OV’s and would have been relegated to the scrap-pile of history.

    M-I-C-K-E-Y……. M-O-U-S-E !

    (See how I brought that back around to Kansas City 🙂 )

    Thank GOD for Parity !

    ALL TOGETHER NOW !

    P-A-R-I-T-Y…….. M-O-U-S-E !!!

    ~ As Bruce likes to say, God Bless Gary Bettman ~

  6. Andy Dufresne says:

    I think “patient” “let them over-ripen” Kenny Holland is going to play the shit out of 6 newbies this year.

    You pick em.

    All I care about right now is

    Draisaitl – McDavid – Kassian

    Pick …-..Any…-…One

    You….-..Want…-…Here

  7. Andy Dufresne says:

    Five people most responsible for Edmonton Oilers having an NHL team

    Wild Bill Hunter Yeaaaaay!

    Wayne Gretzky Yeaaaaay!

    Peter Pocklington Boooooh!

    Gary Bettman Boooooh!

    The Savior Yeaaaaay!

  8. Munny says:

    Andy Dufresne,

    Barry Fraser should get a nod.

  9. bwar says:

    If Benson makes the team and Tippett likes his blenders, then we should get to see Benson on McDavid, Draisaitl and Nugent-Hopkins wing. I’d really like to see just how far away he is from being a complimentary player to a 1st line NHL talent. I’ve been impressed by Benson’s passing and maybe that’s enough to keep McDavid’s production sky high while also allowing Draisaitl to center his own line.

  10. OriginalPouzar says:

    The book does not need to be closed on Jesse Puljujarvi and I think the potential to the Oilers of a return to the team healthy, with new coaching, new management and a “fresh start” far outweighs any likely trade return.

    I really hope Jesse signs and is at camp.

    This may be a non-starter – can’t force the player to sign.

    If he refused, well, I’m just fine with Holland waiting him out as long as necessary – there is no point in moving the player for a piece that has almost no chance of moving the needle in Edmonton and will only potentially help at a low level. Jesse still has the potential to move the needle.

  11. Andy Dufresne says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux,

    Thank you for the Link !

    SO, based on AHL Draft+3

    Benson is something between OSCAR MOLLER 13 GP – 0.31 P/G and BRAD MARCHAND 20 GP – 0.05 P/G

    or if we get more granular,

    something between DAVE BOLLAND 39 GP – 0.44 P/G and VINCENT TROCHECK 50 GP – 0.44 P/G

    OR EVEN MORE GRANULAR

    something between JARRET STOLL 68 GP – 0.31 P/G and ANTOINE VERMETTE 57 GP – 0.25 P/G

  12. OriginalPouzar says:

    Benson will always have DeBrincat to compare to in the eyes of many – fair enough, however, in my opinion, I could care less about DeBrincat and will evaluate Benson on his own merits and, if we want to evaluate him vis-a-vis his draft position, will evaluate him as a standard high 2nd round pick.

    At this time, we have a second round pick that had a VERY VERY good rookie pro season in the AHL and is a legit shot to play in the NHL, maybe even out of camp, in a middle 6 or even top 6 role, in his second year pro.

    He is doing great vis-a-vis his draft position and is on pace to become a material part of the Oilers for the forseeable future.

  13. godot10 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    – There is a really good piece on Benson in Blue Bullet by Brad

    – There have been much chatter slotting Benson in top-9 and good to go now.

    – Here’s the link:https://bluebulletreport.com/2019/07/24/what-to-expect-from-tyler-benson/

    – Here’s the take-away:

    – As for expectations for the 2019-20 season, fans should temper their expectations…If Benson has an average season, in comparison to these seven players, one should expect 40 GP and 12 points. That is a reasonable line in the sand. There is evidence to suggest that Benson could end up being a top six forward, just don’t expect it to be this coming season.

    – KINGER TAKE: Unless Benson-McD-Kass, he’s not an impact this year.Projecting him to do so ignores the numbers.I hope he does, but I don’t have evidence (only hope) to support it

    I think Benson-Draisaitl could be the 2nd line pair we are looking for. But that relies on Neil being able to play with McDavid, which is far from being likely.

    A lot of Oilers problems could be solved if they could run the following pairs.

    xxx, McDavid, Neal
    Benson, Draisaitl, yyy
    zzz, Nugent-Hopkins, Puljujarvi

  14. godot10 says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    When I think of Kansas City, I think of George Brett and the Kansas City Stockyards.

    But did you know that Kansas CIty is:

    1) The headquarters of Hallmark Cards, Hostess Brands, and Russell Stover Candies
    2) The birthplace of everything “Disney”
    3) Famous for BBQ and BBQ style resteraunts

    Anyplace thats responsible for George Brett, BBQ, and Twinkies is OK with me !!!

    Disney I can forgive. haha.

    Charlie Parker

  15. frjohnk says:

    In 3 seasons at 5 on 5, JP has played 614 minutes with none of McDavid, Drai, RNH on the ice.
    And if we include Strome, JP has played 215 minutes without any of those guys on the ice.

    If we consider that played with McDavid, Drai and or RNH, that means playing with a top 6 center
    And playing with Strome means playing with a 3rd line center

    we find that JP has played
    13% of his time with a 4th line center ( Letestu, Cave, Brodziak)
    87% of his time with a 3rd line center or better
    62% of his time with a 2nd line center or better

    One can make the case, that all the line juggling that Hitch and McClellan did to try find some offense away from McDavid, Drai and RNH didnt help JP, but JP has had the best set of centers in the league to play with.

    With those centers and a hodge podge list of wingers on this team, a new coach, a new GM, Edmonton seems like the best chance for a young struggling winger to succeed.

    I hope JP makes it as a good complimentary winger and fires his agent

  16. Andy Dufresne says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    This topic is really getting Bandy(ed) about.

    Question is, can they get the Bandy out of Bambi’s game?
    (see how I brought this back around to Disney 🙂 )

    The kid has got to get more physical.

    Good Hips, Straight Lines, Heavy Hockey. Tippet Style.

    Of course, this is why JP hates Lucic and doesnt want to play here, but still….

    ” Take Em Wide Jesse !! “

  17. HT Joe says:

    Andy Dufresne: The Edmonton Oilers suck at drafting.

    If they werent this century’s version of the Hartford Whalers, they wouldnt have all those 1 OV’s and would have been relegated to the scrap-pile of history.

    Too bad they weren’t this century’s version of the Colorado Avalanche / Quebec Nordiques (the winning part – not the moving part)
    – 1st overall 1989
    – 1st overall 1990
    – 1st overall 1991

    – Stanley Cup victory 1996

    In 1992, Lindros was traded for Peter Forseberg, Mike Ricci, Ron Hextall, Steve Duchesne, Kerry Huffman, Chris Simon, 2 first round picks, and $15Million. (did I get that right)?

    It’s kind of crazy to imagine a world in which Nail Yakupov refused to play for the Oilers, so the Oilers traded Nail away to the Capitals at the 2012 draft for the best forward drafted in 2013 (Filip Forsberg <– see, a trade for a Forsberg, this was destined) and many other assets, resulting in a 2017 Oilers Stanley Cup victory. *grins

  18. Andy Dufresne says:

    godot10: Charlie Parker

    Right You Are Sir! Thank You!

    Let me try again,

    Anyplace thats responsible for George Brett, The Bird, BBQ, and Twinkies is OK with me !!!

    #eatingheroininfusedbbqsauceoveratwinkiewatchingeorgebrettplaytheinfield

  19. Andy Dufresne says:

    HT Joe: It’s kind of crazy to imagine a world in which Nail Yakupov refused to play for the Oilers, so the Oilers traded Nail away to the Capitals at the 2012 draft for the best forward drafted in 2013 (Filip Forsberg <– see, a trade for a Forsberg, this was destined) and many other assets, resulting in a 2017 Oilers Stanley Cup victory. *grins

    This paragraph made me go Hmmmmmmmm…Like Homer Simpson does “Hmmmmm, doughnuts…”

    In George Castansa terms, “I think it moved”

    #daretodream

  20. Rube Foster says:

    Reja,

    Our conversation from yesterday would appear to be “on theme” today. I have a question for you good Sir.

    I understand that you are insistent that Puljujarvi doesn’t want to play in Edmonton and therefore in your opinion needs to move along. But you said a few things yesterday that caught my attention.

    You said that should Puljujarvi sign a team friendly deal with Oilers, you believed that he would score 15 – 20 goals. You also beleive that “Old School Tippet” would not play Puljujarvi on a top line because of the negative comments Jesse and his agent have made about playing for the Oilers this season.

    You are also quite Bullish on this season being a break out year for Tyler Benson in a top six role.

    In the scenarios you speak to, If Holland does sign Puljujarvi to a team friendly deal – then due to the combination of “Old School Tippet” and Benson playing top six minutes, one can only assume that the 15 – 20 goals you project for Jesse come from him playing somewhere in the Oilers Bottom six.

    My question is, if you believe Jesse Puljujarvi is scoring 15 – 20 goals with third line minutes, how many goals from Tyler Benson are you projecting?

    And my follow up questions if I may are, If you beleive Puljujarvi is capable of this kind of production with third line minutes, shouldn’t Holland be doing everything he can to get the kid signed? And lastly, who do you project is the Oilers Center that helps drive this significant third line offensive production?

  21. dustrock says:

    Regarding Benson, I always love Brad’s work.

    I wonder if there’s a way Benson can break the math because of his original exceptional status and high original draft expectations (top 10 pick).

    Obviously we have to use the math that he’s provided us but if he’s going to be an outlier, I think it will be because he had an expected higher ranking before all of the injuries.

    So you hope he’s going to score more like a Marchand or a Trocheck.

  22. dustrock says:

    Regarding Broberg, hard to capture anything coherent from a late July exhibition tournament, but from reports, Broberg can fly, and he’s hard to stop once he gets going.

    He also had a couple of absolutely horrendous giveaways in the DZ against the US.

    Fans are going to have to be patient with Broberg, we all knew that. But he’s going to have some horrible giveaways. We want him to try skill plays. Just don’t want the typical Edmonton boo birds to come because he’s not dumping it out to safety.

  23. unca miltie says:

    Many years ago I was in Toronto on business and stayed at the same hotel as the KC Royals. Went to the concierge to see if he had access to Blue Jays tickets and he said, “George Brett just left these have fun. On a side note, it was the day after Terry Fox was inducted into the Canadian Sports Hall of Fame. The display brought tears to my eyes.

  24. Andy Dufresne says:

    dustrock:
    Regarding Benson, I always love Brad’s work.

    I wonder if there’s a way Benson can break the math because of his original exceptional status and high original draft expectations (top 10 pick).

    Obviously we have to use the math that he’s provided us but if he’s going to be an outlier, I think it will be because he had an expected higher ranking before all of the injuries.

    So you hope he’s going to score more like a Marchand or a Trocheck.

    ITs a fascinating question and one thats on any Oilers fans mind.

    Does an injury when youre young stunt your performance for life? Or, does it just delay your eventual / inevitible peak level potential?

    Has Bensons development been permanently set back, or just pushed back in time?

    Even if delayed, How much of his 16 yr old potential is it still possible to realize?? 70%, 80%, 90%, 95%? 99%?

  25. Andy Dufresne says:

    dustrock:
    Regarding Broberg, hard to capture anything coherent from a late July exhibition tournament, but from reports, Broberg can fly, and he’s hard to stop once he gets going.

    He also had a couple of absolutely horrendous giveaways in the DZ against the US.

    Fans are going to have to be patient with Broberg, we all knew that.But he’s going to have some horrible giveaways.We want him to try skill plays.Just don’t want the typical Edmonton boo birds to come because he’s not dumping it out to safety.

    #jultztheguy

  26. Andy Dufresne says:

    unca miltie:
    Many years ago I was in Toronto on business and stayed at the same hotel as the KC Royals. Went to the concierge to see if he had access to Blue Jays tickets and he said, “George Brett just left these have fun. On a side note, it was the day after Terry Fox was inducted into the Canadian Sports Hall of Fame. The display brought tears to my eyes.

    Love It! The world is full of good people.

    #bestdayever

  27. jp says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux:
    – There is a really good piece on Benson in Blue Bullet by Brad

    – There have been much chatter slotting Benson in top-9 and good to go now.

    – Here’s the link:https://bluebulletreport.com/2019/07/24/what-to-expect-from-tyler-benson/

    – Here’s the take-away:

    – As for expectations for the 2019-20 season, fans should temper their expectations…If Benson has an average season, in comparison to these seven players, one should expect 40 GP and 12 points. That is a reasonable line in the sand. There is evidence to suggest that Benson could end up being a top six forward, just don’t expect it to be this coming season.

    – KINGER TAKE: Unless Benson-McD-Kass, he’s not an impact this year.Projecting him to do so ignores the numbers.I hope he does, but I don’t have evidence (only hope) to support it

    Thanks for posting this, and I agree 100% that we should temper expectation on Benson a bit.

    But I think Brad’s projection is a little low for a couple of reasons.

    First, he took the pool of players drafted 31-71 as a comparables. Benson is at the very high end of that group by draft position. One could also argue that Benson would have been picked higher if not for injury. But regardless of what could have been, his actual draft position was at the very top of this pool.

    Second, his Draft +3 season was better than any of the comps. The very best 7 comparables had AHL PPG of 0.71 to 0.88. This group is very encouraging long term with 5 of the 7 having strong NHL careers (Marchand, Trocheck, Vermette, Bolland and Stoll). Benson was 0.97 PPG last year. So the off the curve based on Draft +3 production.

    Based on both draft position and Draft + 3 AHL performance Benson is ahead of every comparable used by Blue Bullet.

    I do agree we should keep our expectations in check. At the same time a reasonable conclusion of the analysis is that Benson is performing BETTER than every one of the comparables at this point (obviously no one thinks he’ll become Marchand long term).

    IMO there’s a good chance that he beats the 40 games, 12 points average of the group. Especially considering the openings the Oilers have for skill wingers. Will be interesting to see.

  28. tileguy says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    When I think of Kansas City, I think of George Brett and the Kansas City Stockyards.

    Edit Paiement
    But did you know that Kansas CIty is:

    1) The headquarters of Hallmark Cards, Hostess Brands, and Russell Stover Candies
    2) The birthplace of everything “Disney”
    3) Famous for BBQ and BBQ style resteraunts

    Anyplace thats responsible for George Brett, BBQ, and Twinkies is OK with me !!!

    Disney I can forgive. haha.

    Wilf Paimont wearing 99.

  29. McSorley33 says:

    JP,Benson and Yamamoto….these are the draft picks. All wingers.

    IMO- Need at least 2 of these guys to surprise to the upside for us not to be really bad next year.

    If you are taking passes from McDavid or Drai and can’t make it work in the NHL ……

  30. Andy Dufresne says:

    “an NHL team needed two actual players per draft to keep pace, and badly needed to score in the first round.”

    Darnell Nurse 2013 (f#ck you Marc Olivier Roy)

    Draisaitl 2014 Laggesson 2014 CHECK …….(Draisiatl is worth two by himself)

    McDavid 2015 Caleb Jones 2015 CHECK

    Tyler Benson 2016 (f#ck you Bambi)

    Kailer Yamamoto 2017 Dimitri Samorukov 2017 CHECK

    Evan Bouchard 2018 Ryan McLeod 2018 CHECK

    Broberg 2019 Lavoie 2019 CHECK

  31. tileguy says:

    Funny how our memories can become a little fuzzy as we age. In regards to,Wilf Paiement wearing #99 for the Kansas City Scouts this from Wikipedia,
    While Paiement was playing for the Toronto Maple Leafs he wore the number 99 for the 187 games he spent in Toronto, and was the last player other than Wayne Gretzky to wear that number, last wearing it on March 6, 1982 against the Montreal Canadiens.[1] Referencing his time using the number 99, Paiement appeared in a commercial for the Canadian furniture store Leon’s in 2008, in honour of their 99th anniversary. The commercial teased the appearance of Gretzky before reveal Paiement, who then said “What, you’re expecting someone else?”

  32. deardylan says:

    “…but it’s a loose show, kind of like Neil Young at the Fillmore”

    🙂

  33. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    jp:
    IMO there’s a good chance that he beats the 40 games, 12 points average of the group. Especially considering the openings the Oilers have for skill wingers. Will be interesting to see.

    – Will see. My point is that unless he has a good C to work with: I agree with 12 points 40 games

    – If he’s not going to be partnered with RNH, Drai or CmD: whose his C and linemates going to be? and they are going to cycle through all of the Holland guys and incumbents before getting to him in the bottom-6: Jurco, Garlund, Archbald, Neal, Haas, Nygard, Jar, Pool, Malone, etc

    – So yeah, put him on a line game 1 with CmD or Drai then all bets are off.

    -3 C’s on top 2 lines though, no way Benson gets to the front of bus ahead of Chiasson, Kassian, Neal, etc. So he’s bottom 6 with sucky C’s some time in the bigs to start career IMO

    – And this was Blue Bullet point: based on draft pedigree, points to date, age and stage, etc…

    – And if they aren’t going 3Cs: math don’t lie. Hope tricks us though

  34. Andy Dufresne says:

    tileguy: Wilf Paimont wearing 99.

    Love Wilf Paimont!

    Excessively Long Post Warning:

    From 1970-71. If you went to Esso that year, you could get a booklet with six stickers in it, each of which you could then keep in a special Esso wallet or paste into either a softcover or hardcover album.

    There were 252 of them, 18 stickers for each of the 14 teams in the NHL. They were about the size of a large postage stamp, maybe an inch and a half tall. Since there were no stickers for trophy winners, all-stars or checklists, this actually made it the biggest set out there in terms of actual players depicted. (OPC had 264 cards, but gave up a bunch to awards, etc.)
    They’re cool for a number of reasons,

    The first is that this is the only product you could get in 1970-71 that had actual game shots in it. Everything else that you could get at that time used posed photographs, and it had been that way for years. For early 1970s action shots, Esso was it.
    For this reason, for goalies, this means you actually get to see them in gear. This, to my knowledge, is the only card produced during Gerry Cheevers’ actual career that actually shows him in that famous mask.

    Another reason why this set is cool is that the shots are all up to date. Vancouver and Buffalo were expansion teams, but Esso managed to get current game action pictures of every player for both teams. Also new for 1970-71, Toronto unveiled a new uniform. Every Leaf player in the Esso set is shown wearing it.

    The final thing is that since the Esso set had more players in it than anyone else (say three extra players per team, on average), there are certain players here that are never seen otherwise, or at least never seen with the team they played for in 1970-71. Phil Myre (who was in Atlanta for most of the 1970s) is among the Montreal Canadiens goalies. Detroit has Al Karlander (who?) and Danny Lawson (probably most famous with the Calgary Cowboys).

    For Toronto, Esso has the forgotten rookie of 1970-71 – a guy you simply never see. The most famous rookie that year, of course, was Darryl Sittler. While Sittler went on to fame and fortune despite only an 18-point rookie season (wrist injury), another rookie – a guy named Bill MacMillan – actually potted better than 20 goals.

  35. Andy Dufresne says:

    tileguy:
    Funny how our memories can become a little fuzzy as we age. In regards to,Wilf Paiement wearing #99 for the Kansas City Scouts this from Wikipedia,While Paiement was playing for the Toronto Maple Leafs he wore the number 99 for the 187 games he spent in Toronto, and was the last player other than Wayne Gretzky to wear that number, last wearing it on March 6, 1982 against the Montreal Canadiens.[1] Referencing his time using the number 99, Paiement appeared in a commercial for the Canadian furniture store Leon’s in 2008, in honour of their 99th anniversary. The commercial teased the appearance of Gretzky before reveal Paiement, who then said “What, you’re expecting someone else?”

    “What? You’re expecting someone else?” HAAA ! F#ckiing awesome.

  36. Reja says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    When I think of Kansas City, I think of George Brett and the Kansas City Stockyards.

    But did you know that Kansas CIty is:

    1) The headquarters of Hallmark Cards, Hostess Brands, and Russell Stover Candies
    2) The birthplace of everything “Disney”
    3) Famous for BBQ and BBQ style resteraunts

    Anyplace thats responsible for George Brett, BBQ, and Twinkies is OK with me !!!

    Disney I can forgive. haha.

    I can recall the Pine Tar incident like it happened yesterday one of my great memories of baseball.

  37. GMB3 says:

    From yesterday’s thread.

    London Jon: Yeah, I’ve had one as well.

    Surprisingly long and hard recovery for
    something that sounds non-invasive.

    Depends on what was repaired, but my hip scope was pretty much the same recovery as my ACL tear.

    They wouldn’t have gone in if there wasn’t something material to fix…

    That is true, and I did post a generalization, but I’ve both worked with athletes who’ve had surgery to repair FAI and most were a full return to activity at 4-5 months. It depends on the type of impingement and extent of damage to the labrum. Obviously there are rumours around JP’s work ethic, which is my biggest concern as rehab tends to be the most important part.

    I have FAI as well, and I’ve been hesitant to get the surgery as I had a f’ing horrible result with my rotator cuff surgery I had at the end of my college ball career.

    I’m not 100% on this, but I’m pretty sure it’s a fairly common procedure for hockey players. The amount of high hip flexion and hip internal rotation involved in the skating stride can exacerbate the symptoms.

    Full disclaimer: not a doctor or PT, but have worked in S&C with athletes for a few years and have an avid interest in biomechanics.

  38. jp says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – Will see.My point is that unless he has a good C to work with: I agree with 12 points 40 games

    – If he’s not going to be partnered with RNH, Drai or CmD: whose his C and linemates going to be? and they are going to cycle through all of the Holland guys and incumbents before getting to him in the bottom-6: Jurco, Garlund, Archbald, Neal, Haas, Nygard, Jar, Pool, Malone, etc

    – So yeah, put him on a line game 1 with CmD or Drai then all bets are off.

    -3 C’s on top 2 lines though, no way Benson gets to the front ofbus ahead of Chiasson, Kassian, Neal, etc.So he’s bottom 6 with sucky C’s some time in the bigs to start career IMO

    – And this was Blue Bullet point: based on draft pedigree, points to date, age and stage, etc…

    – And if they aren’t going 3Cs: math don’t lie.Hope tricks us though

    Oh for sure he’ll need to play with one of the good Cs.

    My point was simply that Benson is better than any of the other comparables Blue Bullet looked at, both in draft position and in draft +3 AHL PPG. So it’s reasonable to expect he could beat the 40 game 12 point average of players he scored 0.2-0.25 PPG more than in the AHL.

    Whether that happens we’ll have to wait and see. And yes, he’ll have to win a spot with one of the Oilers offensive Cs to have a real chance to beat the expectation. I think it might happen, but we don’t know what we don’t know.

  39. Andy Dufresne says:

    Reja: I can recall the Pine Tar incident like it happened yesterday one of my great memories of baseball.

    Yes! It defines the term…..”Blew a gasket !” for me. 🙂

    Im too lazy, but a list would be cool. (perhaps a group effort?)

    In no particular order

    1) Pine Tar Brett blows a gasket
    2) Ball through Billy Buckners legs
    3) 1993 Joe Carter Homers in the World Series
    4) Randy Johnson nails a pidgeon
    5) Nerdy Fan Steve Bartman grabs fair ball Cubs lose NLCS
    etc
    etc

  40. GMB3 says:

    Off topic question for the travellers amongst the group here

    Has anyone here ever travelled to the Czech Republic? I’m considering travelling there for the WJHC’s this winter. If so does anyone have any tips/recommendations or thoughts on the country?

  41. Reja says:

    Rube Foster:
    Reja,

    Our conversation from yesterday would appear to be “on theme” today. I have a question for you good Sir.

    I understand that you are insistent that Puljujarvi doesn’t want to play in Edmonton and therefore in your opinion needs to move along.But you said a few things yesterday that caught my attention.

    You said that should Puljujarvi sign a team friendly deal with Oilers, you believed that he would score 15 – 20 goals.You also beleive that “Old School Tippet” would not play Puljujarvi on a top line because of the negative comments Jesse and his agent have made about playing for the Oilers this season.

    You are also quite Bullish on this season being a break out year for Tyler Benson in a top six role.

    In the scenarios you speak to, IfHolland does sign Puljujarvito a team friendly deal – then due to the combinationof “Old School Tippet” and Benson playing top six minutes, one can only assume that the 15 – 20 goals you project for Jesse come from him playing somewhere in the Oilers Bottom six.

    My question is, if you believe Jesse Puljujarvi is scoring 15 – 20 goals with third line minutes, how many goals from Tyler Benson are you projecting?

    And my follow up questions if I may are, If you beleive Puljujarvi is capable of this kind of production with third line minutes, shouldn’t Holland be doing everything he can to get the kid signed? And lastly, who do you project is the Oilers Center that helps drive this significant third line offensive production?

    I’ll say it again. I could be wrong and young raw Jesse could turn into 15-20 goal a year semi-power forward. I just can’t see it happening in Edmonton. I said in a earlier post I’ll eat my left sandal if Oilers signed surfer boy Marleau in land locked Edmonton I could say the same about Jesse if he becomes a consistent 20 goal scorer but I want the kid to succeed where ever he ends up.

  42. Walter Gretzkys Neighbour says:

    Andy Dufresne: Love Wilf Paimont!

    Excessively Long Post Warning:

    From 1970-71.If you went to Esso that year, you could get a booklet with six stickers in it, each of which you could then keep in a special Esso wallet or paste into either a softcover or hardcover album.

    There were 252 of them, 18 stickers for each of the 14 teams in the NHL.They were about the size of a large postage stamp, maybe an inch and a half tall.Since there were no stickers for trophy winners, all-stars or checklists, this actually made it the biggest set out there in terms of actual players depicted.(OPC had 264 cards, but gave up a bunch to awards, etc.)
    They’re cool for a number of reasons,

    The first is that this is the only product you could get in 1970-71 that had actual game shots in it.Everything else that you could get at that time used posed photographs, and it had been that way for years.For early 1970s action shots, Esso was it.
    For this reason, for goalies, this means you actually get to see them in gear.This, to my knowledge, is the only card produced during Gerry Cheevers’ actual career that actually shows him in that famous mask.

    Another reason why this set is cool is that the shots are all up to date.Vancouver and Buffalo were expansion teams, but Esso managed to get current game action pictures of every player for both teams. Also new for 1970-71, Toronto unveiled a new uniform.Every Leaf player in the Esso set is shown wearing it.

    The final thing is that since the Esso set had more players in it than anyone else (say three extra players per team, on average), there are certain players here that are never seen otherwise, or at least never seen with the team they played for in 1970-71.Phil Myre (who was in Atlanta for most of the 1970s) is among the Montreal Canadiens goalies.Detroit has Al Karlander (who?) and Danny Lawson (probably most famous with the Calgary Cowboys).

    For Toronto, Esso has the forgotten rookie of 1970-71 – a guy you simply never see.The most famous rookie that year, of course,was Darryl Sittler.While Sittler went on to fame and fortune despite only an 18-point rookie season (wrist injury), another rookie – a guy named Bill MacMillan – actually potted better than 20 goals.

    I still have the complete set in the hardcover book! Some of the players stickers were a bit worn from trading them back and forth! I remember how hard it was to get certain players and how I had multiples of other players!

    Crazy you remember that too! I was fascinated by the game action photos. It was a load of fun collecting them all. I think I STILL buy my gas from Esso because of those stickers!

  43. GMB3 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – Will see.My point is that unless he has a good C to work with: I agree with 12 points 40 games

    – If he’s not going to be partnered with RNH, Drai or CmD: whose his C and linemates going to be? and they are going to cycle through all of the Holland guys and incumbents before getting to him in the bottom-6: Jurco, Garlund, Archbald, Neal, Haas, Nygard, Jar, Pool, Malone, etc

    – So yeah, put him on a line game 1 with CmD or Drai then all bets are off.

    -3 C’s on top 2 lines though, no way Benson gets to the front ofbus ahead of Chiasson, Kassian, Neal, etc.So he’s bottom 6 with sucky C’s some time in the bigs to start career IMO

    – And this was Blue Bullet point: based on draft pedigree, points to date, age and stage, etc…

    – And if they aren’t going 3Cs: math don’t lie.Hope tricks us though

    True. I mean that’s fairly relevant with all middle 6 type of guys. The group of players who tear it up with limited PP and 5v5 time with poor QoT is pretty small. I’m sure if we were to do a deeper dive on those players BBB uses as comparables, we would see they played limited roles at the end of the lineup with less talented players. It’s not a method I’m terribly against, but BBB’s projection shows that if Benson is playing bottom 6 mins with the dregs it would be unreasonable to expect him to light the world on fire.

    Same thing with JP, for whatever reason this fallacy exists that players are going to have impression playing 10 mins a game with the Brodziaks of the world. Sean Mcindoe touched on this in a recent post at The Athletic

    The really skilled young prospect being miscast as a fourth-line grinder

    “Um … coach? This guy lit it up in junior and showed some really nice flashes in the AHL. Any chance we could move him up the lineup at all? Maybe get him some powerplay time?

    No, of course not. The plan is to play him a few minutes a night on a line with two guys with no hands, then call him a bust because he’s not scoring.”

  44. defmn says:

    GMB3:
    Off topic question for the travellers amongst the group here

    Has anyone here ever travelled to the Czech Republic? I’m considering travelling there for the WJHC’s this winter. If so does anyone have any tips/recommendations or thoughts on the country?

    Take the time to visit Karlovy Vary for a day. Not that far from Prague. The centre of Prague is an architectural marvel – the rest – not so much. English is spoken pretty much everywhere in a commercial setting in Prague. It’s been maybe 10 years? since I was there so I won’t offer anything more specific since it probably isn’t true anymore.

  45. Andy Dufresne says:

    Walter Gretzkys Neighbour: I still have the complete set in the hardcover book! Some of the players stickers were a bit worn from trading them back and forth! I remember how hard it was to get certain players and how I had multiples of other players!

    Crazy you remember that too! I was fascinated by the game action photos. It was a load of fun collecting them all. I think I STILL buy my gas from Esso because of those stickers!

    It was fricking awesome right?!

    I have one full soft cover and one 80% full soft cover.

    My dad was a farmer (among other things) and bought bulk gas at ESSO that year. Needless to say, I was a very popular kid in my first year of Junior High 🙂

    P.S. Hang on to it; Youre hard cover complete set is worth at least $200 (probably more like $300+) today. 🙂

  46. defmn says:

    GMB3:

    No, of course not. The plan is to play him a few minutes a night on a line with two guys with no hands, then call him a bust because he’s not scoring.”

    Or, as the coach sees it 😉

    “The plan is to play him a few minutes a night on a line with two guys with no hands” until he proves to me that he is defensively responsible, then we try him up higher.”

    Sometimes the coach is wrong, often the kid can’t defend against guys who can score goals.

  47. Romulus Apotheosis says:

    Tell me more about this Vincent Deslauriers 🙂

  48. defmn says:

    Quickie TSN interview with Broberg on why he chose to stay in Sweden this year. Mostly fluff but I am encouraged to hear that it was done in conjunction with the team but they left it up to him.

    https://www.tsn.ca/edmonton-oilers-first-round-pick-philip-broberg-to-play-in-shl-this-season-1.1343573

  49. Andy Dufresne says:

    Reja: I’ll say it again. I could be wrong and young raw Jesse could turn into 15-20 goal a year semi-power forward. I just can’t see it happening in Edmonton. I said in a earlier post I’ll eat my left sandal if Oilers signed surfer boy Marleau in land locked Edmonton I could say the same about Jesse if he becomesa consistent 20 goal scorer but I want the kid to succeed where ever he ends up.

    Like you say, probability wise the kid will succeed; Probability wise, it wont be in Edmonton.

    Its kind of like a negotation. JP (and his agent) have been given an opportunity to “save face.” All the boogie men have been disappeared; Chiarelli, McLellan and Lucic are all gone.

    Will JP take advantage of this new found opportuntiy? Or, does he still think he’s a star player being treated like a bottom sixer? Will he mature quick enough mentally to have an attitude adjustment? Or will that come with some other team? (ala Hallsy, Ebbs and Jultz)

    BUT, Im still hoping for

    #eatthatsandal

  50. Andy Dufresne says:

    defmn: Take the time to visit Karlovy Vary for a day. Not that far from Prague. The centre of Prague is an architectural marvel – the rest – not so much. English is spoken pretty much everywhere in a commercial setting in Prague. It’s been maybe 10 years? since I was there so I won’t offer anything more specific since it probably isn’t true anymore.

    Besides sightseeing (eating and drinking) and hockey, what other “activites” do you think there are in that region in the winter time?

  51. Melman says:

    McSorley33:
    JP,Benson and Yamamoto….these are the draft picks. All wingers.

    IMO- Need at least 2 of these guys to surprise to the upside for us not to be really bad next year.

    If you are taking passes from McDavid or Drai and can’t make it work in the NHL ……

    …and if you have to ask the question!! 😜

  52. Kinger_Oil.redux says:

    GMB3:
    The really skilled young prospect being miscast as a fourth-line grinder

    “Um … coach? This guy lit it up in junior and showed some really nice flashes in the AHL. Any chance we could move him up the lineup at all? Maybe get him some powerplay time?

    No, of course not. The plan is to play him a few minutes a night on a line with two guys with no hands, then call him a bust because he’s not scoring.”

    – This is long my biggest beef with the Oil: there was one set of rules with Hall-RNH-Ebs who got to play together, got all the PP time

    – But when Yak comes up (for instance): he had to be taught lessons, and play to a different set of standards than the Austins. The Austins weren’t being taught lessons, they just played together and did what they did.

    – The team has had a hard time with how to handle the roster save a few studs that play together. I hear what Ricki is saying :Drai and CmD play together, but then don’t draft skilled players and be p+ssed when they aren’t 200-foot players or score much with grinders, and bench them to teach them lessons. Or wonder why skilled guys don’t like being mis-cast with no opportunity

  53. Melman says:

    Andy Dufresne,

    Cesky Krumlov is a very worthwhile one day stop in. Not too far from Prague by car and is really quite lovely

  54. Reja says:

    Andy Dufresne: Yes!It defines the term…..”Blew a gasket !” for me.

    Im too lazy, but a list would be cool. (perhaps a group effort?)

    In no particular order

    1) Pine Tar Brett blows a gasket
    2) Ball through Billy Buckners legs
    3) 1993 Joe Carter Homers in the World Series
    4) Randy Johnson nails a pidgeon
    5) Nerdy Fan Steve Bartman grabs fair ball Cubs lose NLCS
    etc
    etc

    6) Blue Monday.
    7) Shilling’s bloody sock.
    8) Kirk Gibson ham and egging it around the bases.
    9) Pete Rose collision at home plate.
    10) Carlton Fisk body english.

  55. tileguy says:

    Andy Dufresne,

    Because I was a Tigers fan, 1968 world series, St louis up 3 games to one and winning game 5 by a score of 3-2. In the fifth inning, the Cardinals had a chance to go up by two runs after Lou Brock hit a one-out double. Cardinals second baseman Julian Javier followed with a base hit to left. Outfielder Willie Horton fielded the ball off the ground and then fired the ball towards home plate. Instead of sliding into home plate, Brock tried to bowl over Tiger catcher Bill Freehan. However, Freehan caught and held onto the ball while blocking the plate with his foot, and Brock was called out. This was the last time that the Cardinals threatened to score in the game. Tigs went on to Win the WS..

  56. Andy Dufresne says:

    defmn: Or, as the coach sees it

    “The plan is to play him a few minutes a night on a line with two guys with no hands” until he proves to me that he is defensively responsible, then we try him up higher.”

    Sometimes the coach is wrong, often the kid can’t defend against guys who can score goals.

    Agreed. Respectflly, not everythings about scoring.

    Its about playing inside a system; A structure.

    Theres a reason our top players would prefer to not play with JP.

    Will he figure this out here? Or somewhere else? Many people have to fail several times before they get it. (Maybe thats where the term failing up comes from?)

  57. Andy Dufresne says:

    Reja: 6) Blue Monday.
    7) Shilling’s bloody sock.
    8) Kirk Gibson ham and egging it around the bases.
    9) Pete Rose collision at home plate.
    10) Carlton Fisk body english.

    Warning, any mention of #6 can get you banned by the site owner 🙂

    “you kids!…get off my lawn!”

  58. tileguy says:

    Reja: 6) Blue Monday.
    7) Shilling’s bloody sock.
    8) Kirk Gibson ham and egging it around the bases.
    9) Pete Rose collision at home plate.
    10) Carlton Fisk body english.

    11) flyball bouncing of Consecos head for a homerun.

  59. defmn says:

    Congratulations to The Athletic and to our host here whose contributions undoubtedly played some part in this success.

    The Athletic HQ
    ‏Verified account @TheAthletic

    Hitting half a million subscribers is a milestone not only for The Athletic, but for the future of journalism. Thank you to our subscribers – here’s to a million and beyond.

  60. Andy Dufresne says:

    tileguy:
    Andy Dufresne,

    Because I was a Tigers fan, 1968 world series, St louis up 3 games to one and winning game 5 by a score of 3-2. In the fifth inning, the Cardinals had a chance to go up by two runs after Lou Brock hit a one-out double. Cardinals second baseman Julian Javier followed with a base hit to left. Outfielder Willie Horton fielded the ball off the ground and then fired the ball towards home plate. Instead of sliding into home plate, Brock tried to bowl over Tiger catcher Bill Freehan. However, Freehan caught and held onto the ball while blocking the plate with his foot, and Brock was called out. This was the last time that the Cardinals threatened to score in the game. Tigs went on to Win the WS..

    Nice. Great action sequence. You had me at….Lou Brock and Willie Horton.

  61. Andy Dufresne says:

    tileguy: 11) flyball bouncing of Consecos head for a homerun.

    HAAA! Aaaaaaaaa (constant smirk)….That’s good. 🙂

  62. Reja says:

    Andy Dufresne: ITs a fascinating question and one thats on any Oilers fans mind.

    Does an injury when youre young stunt your performance for life? Or, does it just delay your eventual / inevitible peak level potential?

    Has Bensons development been permanently set back, or just pushed back in time?

    Even if delayed, How much of his 16 yr old potential is it still possible to realize??70%, 80%, 90%, 95%? 99%?

    We shall soon find out. Benson been working his ass off a lot young players NHL dreams have ended dead in its tracks with lesser injuries than Tyler had to endure. I’m Bullish on Benson and I think Tippett will be as well.

  63. defmn says:

    Andy Dufresne: Besides sightseeing (eating and drinking) and hockey, what other “activites” do you think there are in that region in the winter time?

    Sorry but I was there in September if my increasingly suspect memory serves me correctly. Judging by all the hops fields growing around Prague I suspect drinking beer and ‘real’ absinthe will keep anybody busy enough for a week’s visit although I don’t drink beer, myself.

  64. Andy Dufresne says:

    defmn:
    Congratulations to The Athletic and to our host here whose contributions undoubtedly played some part in this success.

    The Athletic HQ
    ‏Verified account @TheAthletic

    Hitting half a million subscribers is a milestone not only for The Athletic, but for the future of journalism. Thank you to our subscribers – here’s to a million and beyond.

    Or to quote the Athletic’s Sales Manager ” To Infinity…and Beyond!”

    Sidebar: The guy’s a little bit spacey, but he thinks big.

  65. BONE207 says:

    Walter Gretzkys Neighbour: I still have the complete set in the hardcover book! Some of the players stickers were a bit worn from trading them back and forth! I remember how hard it was to get certain players and how I had multiples of other players!

    Crazy you remember that too! I was fascinated by the game action photos. It was a load of fun collecting them all. I think I STILL buy my gas from Esso because of those stickers!

    Gas stations were A LOT more fun those days.I had collections of: minerals of Canada, coin Prime Ministers & coin provincial flowers among others. Then they pumped your gas, topped up fluids & checked oil.
    Now…vant some chips vit dat?

  66. JimmyV1965 says:

    jp: Thanks for posting this, and I agree 100% that we should temper expectation on Benson a bit.

    But I think Brad’s projection is a little low for a couple of reasons.

    First, he took the pool of players drafted 31-71 as a comparables. Benson is at the very high end of that group by draft position. One could also argue that Benson would have been picked higher if not for injury. But regardless of what could have been, his actual draft position was at the very top of this pool.

    Second, his Draft +3 season was better than any of the comps. The very best 7 comparables had AHL PPG of 0.71 to 0.88. This group is very encouraging long term with 5 of the 7 having strong NHL careers (Marchand, Trocheck, Vermette, Bolland and Stoll). Benson was 0.97 PPG last year. So the off the curve based on Draft +3 production.

    Based on both draft position and Draft + 3 AHL performance Benson is ahead of every comparable used by Blue Bullet.

    I do agree we should keep our expectations in check. At the same time a reasonable conclusion of the analysis is that Benson is performing BETTER than every one of the comparables at this point (obviously no one thinks he’ll become Marchand long term).

    IMO there’s a good chance that he beats the 40 games, 12 points average of the group. Especially considering the openings the Oilers have for skill wingers. Will be interesting to see.

    I think the Blue Bullet article was valuable to temper expectations of Benson, but I’m not sure it’s super great as a comparable. As you mentioned, his AHL numbers were much better. Also, we don’t know where these players were slotted in the lineup during their first year in the NHL. Benson has the opportunity to play with some exceptional centres. This wasn’t likely the case for many of the guys on the list.

  67. Andy Dufresne says:

    Melman:
    Andy Dufresne,

    Cesky Krumlov is a very worthwhile one day stop in. Not too far from Prague by car and is really quite lovely

    Thank You.

    Sexy Crumb Love. Ill remember that for sure.

    Sidebar: Man , if I was in a Punk Band from that town, we’d definitley be called Sexy Crumb Love.

  68. Andy Dufresne says:

    BONE207: Gas stations were A LOT more fun those days.I had collections of: minerals of Canada, coin Prime Ministers & coin provincial flowers among others. Then they pumped your gas, topped up fluids & checked oil.
    Now…vant some chips vit dat?

    Agreed!

    #whenisprogressnotreallyprogress

  69. Pouzar says:

    Various twitter rumors of Gusev possibly to Devils for a 2nd and a 3rd.

  70. Andy Dufresne says:

    defmn: Sorry but I was there in September if my increasingly suspect memory serves me correctly. Judging by all the hops fields growing around Prague I suspect drinking beer and ‘real’ absinthe will keep anybody busy enough for a week’s visit although I don’t drink beer, myself.

    No worries, Thank You. I might just hop on over there. I wonder if my wife will notith my absinthe ?

  71. JimmyV1965 says:

    Kinger_Oil.redux: – Will see.My point is that unless he has a good C to work with: I agree with 12 points 40 games

    – If he’s not going to be partnered with RNH, Drai or CmD: whose his C and linemates going to be? and they are going to cycle through all of the Holland guys and incumbents before getting to him in the bottom-6: Jurco, Garlund, Archbald, Neal, Haas, Nygard, Jar, Pool, Malone, etc

    – So yeah, put him on a line game 1 with CmD or Drai then all bets are off.

    -3 C’s on top 2 lines though, no way Benson gets to the front ofbus ahead of Chiasson, Kassian, Neal, etc.So he’s bottom 6 with sucky C’s some time in the bigs to start career IMO

    – And this was Blue Bullet point: based on draft pedigree, points to date, age and stage, etc…

    – And if they aren’t going 3Cs: math don’t lie.Hope tricks us though

    The math is useful, but it’s basically historical averages. Every player writes their own story. The math fails to capture things like where the players were slotted in the lineup once they arrived in the NHL. Who did they play with? It also fails to capture the talent level of the players drafted. I can almost guarantee Marchand and Marscheseault were drafted lower because they were small. It was a huge factor then. Also, Benson was drafted lower because of injury. Still, it was an interesting article and useful because it will temper expectations.

  72. dustrock says:

    Congrats to the Devils for having the best offseason of all NHL teams.

  73. tileguy says:

    BONE207: Gas stations were A LOT more fun those days.I had collections of: minerals of Canada, coin Prime Ministers & coin provincial flowers among others. Then they pumped your gas, topped up fluids & checked oil.
    Now…vant some chips vit dat?

    The Happy Motoring Song they used to play on Hockey Night in Canada, the Esso commercial that started, “When your tires are humming and the motor purrs. Now combine that with this image
    of Murray Westgate saying “Happy motoring,” and touching his hand to his little gas station cap, the kind they used to wear back in the days when gas was 25 cents a gallon

  74. Glovjuice says:

    GMB3:
    Off topic question for the travellers amongst the group here

    Has anyone here ever travelled to the Czech Republic? I’m considering travelling there for the WJHC’s this winter. If so does anyone have any tips/recommendations or thoughts on the country?

    My thoughts – fuckin hot females, killer beer when on tap, and castles.

  75. defmn says:

    Pouzar:
    Various twitter rumors of Gusev possibly to Devils for a 2nd and a 3rd.

    GM’s seem to be working later into July than usual this summer. Big signing in Tampa today as well.

  76. Reja says:

    defmn: GM’s seem to be working later into July than usual this summer. Big signing in Tampa today as well.

    Julien should be after being steamrolled in four.Wow that’s a lot of years and scratch for a Goaltender.

  77. PennersPancakes says:

    dustrock:
    Congrats to the Devils for having the best offseason of all NHL teams.

    I hate how true this is.
    – Hughes: 1st overall top 6 C
    – Subban: “overpaid” #1 RHD for peanuts
    – Simmonds: Top 6 winger on a 1 year UFA contract
    – Gusev: couple picks and a small contract for a possible Panarin 2.0

    For adding an entire 2nd line and a 1st pairing defender the Devils gave up 2 young meh Dmen, 3 2nd rounders, and a 3rd. And of course as we have been finding out a bunch of cap space.

    NOT EVEN A FIRST ROUND PICK WAS MOVED. Kudos to Shero

  78. GMB3 says:

    Andy Dufresne: Besides sightseeing (eating and drinking) and hockey, what other “activites” do you think there are in that region in the winter time?

    This is my concern. I’ve saved up a pretty significant sum of cash (to me$ and I’ve never done much in Europe. I’m debating going on a longer trip during the summer.. but I’m 27 and recently single so I feel like now is a pretty good time to go and I think it would be pretty fun.

  79. Victoria Oil says:

    Andy Dufresne,

    Thanks for the memories of that 1970-71 Esso set. Wish I still had my set. I can’t remember what Esso called them (Power Players or something like that??).

  80. blackadder says:

    Andy Dufresne: It was fricking awesome right?!

    I have one full soft cover and one 80% full soft cover.

    My dad was a farmer (among other things) and bought bulk gas at ESSO that year. Needless to say,I was a very popular kid in my first year of Junior High

    P.S. Hang on to it; Youre hard cover complete set is worth at least $200 (probably more like $300+) today.

    The name “Darryl Sly” will live in infamy for me because of this set. He briefly played for the Canucks, was the only card I needed to complete the set and never got it.

    Later ended up having a friend, who felt sorry for me because 30 years later I was still upset about it, give me his set when he found his parents had kept it in their basement. Just about cried when I saw Darryl Sly in the book.

  81. geowal says:

    GMB3:
    Off topic question for the travellers amongst the group here

    Has anyone here ever travelled to the Czech Republic? I’m considering travelling there for the WJHC’s this winter. If so does anyone have any tips/recommendations or thoughts on the country?

    My thoughts based not on having been but am committed to going to the tourney so have researched some things:
    -you will undoubtedly fly to Prague if flying straight to Czech, but if you haven’t noticed, the tournament is in Ostrava (and another small town) about a 3hr30 train from Prague. So schedule in some Prague time, but don’t be thinking you’ll be there the whole time. As far as I can tell, the Ostrava airport doesn’t fly anywhere useful.
    -if Prague flights aren’t enticing, see if breaking it up and flying KLM to Amsterdam and a discount airline to Prague gets you.
    -the Christmas markets in Prague are a big draw for many, and seems like a cool place to spend Christmas Day.
    -game tickets are cheap, but some key games have sold out, and that was a couple months ago. Give that a look. I may have Canada-Germany tickets for sale btw, not sure yet.
    -beer is cheap. And they are not on the Euro, so you get a great exchange rate on spending there.
    -I’m told Czech villages ‘can’ be quite charming.
    -if you like the idea of train travel and making a bigger trip out of it, Bratislava and Vienna are close to each other and about 3hrs from Ostrava. Bratislava is worth the trip I’m told. Further afield are Budapest and some Polish cities.
    -my buddy made a 2 week hotel reservation in an Ostrava suburb which was reasonably cheap. Sounds like you’re running solo so can probably get cheaper and closer than us though.
    -going to Auschwitz is very doable from Ostrava, either by car or train, and is quiet in a good way in the winter.
    -I’m going to be getting some pretty thorough restaurant recommendations from a coworker at some point so I can post those if you like when I get them.

  82. VanIsleOil says:

    Andy Dufresne: It was fricking awesome right?!

    I have one full soft cover and one 80% full soft cover.

    My dad was a farmer (among other things) and bought bulk gas at ESSO that year. Needless to say,I was a very popular kid in my first year of Junior High

    P.S. Hang on to it; Youre hard cover complete set is worth at least $200 (probably more like $300+) today.

    Haha…I had the same Esso book filled in completely.My Dad was also a farmer who bought bulk Esso gas. Had my book filled way before my jealous buddies. Loved that book… too bad it’s gone,many good memories….life was simpler then.

  83. OriginalPouzar says:

    GMB:
    Off topic question for the travellers amongst the group here

    Has anyone here ever travelled to the Czech Republic? I’m considering travelling there for the WJHC’s this winter. If so does anyone have any tips/recommendations or thoughts on the country?

    Yes, I have – wonderful country and i highly recommend it (and my wife and her brother will be there for a few days in late Sept).

    I’m just travelling right now but can provide some info/answer some question late tonight or tomorrow.

    icooper@blg.com

  84. defmn says:

    GMB3: This is my concern. I’ve saved up a pretty significant sum of cash (to me$ and I’ve never done much in Europe. I’m debating going on a longer trip during the summer.. but I’m 27 and recently single so I feel like now is a pretty good time to go and I think it would be pretty fun.

    Asia is more interesting imo.

  85. Reja says:

    GMB3: This is my concern. I’ve saved up a pretty significant sum of cash (to me$ and I’ve never done much in Europe. I’m debating going on a longer trip during the summer.. but I’m 27 and recently single so I feel like now is a pretty good time to go and I think it would be pretty fun.

    Do it now. Do it today. Do it before something pops up.

  86. dcsj says:

    Esso Power Players… When we went to school for the frenzied trade market! Education? We don’t need no stinkin’ education!

    Heh

  87. Munny says:

    unca miltie: it was the day after Terry Fox was inducted into the Canadian Sports Hall of Fame. The display brought tears to my eyes.

    He was an extraordinarily valiant human, being.

  88. just sayin says:

    defmn: Asia is more interesting imo.

    Yes but it’s a long walk to the tournament, Marco.

  89. Silver Streak says:

    Andy Dufresne:
    I think “patient” “let them over-ripen” Kenny Holland is going to play the shit out of 6 newbies this year.

    You pick em.

    All I care about right now is

    Draisaitl–McDavid –Kassian

    Pick …-..Any…-…One

    You….-..Want…-…Here

    Programs….programs…getcher programs here….add to the forwards, our 2 or 3 D men moving in and out of the lineup….THIS is our year of change….we will be younger, more mistake prone, much quicker, and more fun to watch.

  90. Rube Foster says:

    Andy Dufresne: Love Wilf Paimont!

    Excessively Long Post Warning:

    From 1970-71.If you went to Esso that year, you could get a booklet with six stickers in it, each of which you could then keep in a special Esso wallet or paste into either a softcover or hardcover album.

    There were 252 of them, 18 stickers for each of the 14 teams in the NHL.They were about the size of a large postage stamp, maybe an inch and a half tall.Since there were no stickers for trophy winners, all-stars or checklists, this actually made it the biggest set out there in terms of actual players depicted.(OPC had 264 cards, but gave up a bunch to awards, etc.)
    They’re cool for a number of reasons,

    The first is that this is the only product you could get in 1970-71 that had actual game shots in it.Everything else that you could get at that time used posed photographs, and it had been that way for years.For early 1970s action shots, Esso was it.
    For this reason, for goalies, this means you actually get to see them in gear.This, to my knowledge, is the only card produced during Gerry Cheevers’ actual career that actually shows him in that famous mask.

    Another reason why this set is cool is that the shots are all up to date.Vancouver and Buffalo were expansion teams, but Esso managed to get current game action pictures of every player for both teams. Also new for 1970-71, Toronto unveiled a new uniform.Every Leaf player in the Esso set is shown wearing it.

    The final thing is that since the Esso set had more players in it than anyone else (say three extra players per team, on average), there are certain players here that are never seen otherwise, or at least never seen with the team they played for in 1970-71.Phil Myre (who was in Atlanta for most of the 1970s) is among the Montreal Canadiens goalies.Detroit has Al Karlander (who?) and Danny Lawson (probably most famous with the Calgary Cowboys).

    For Toronto, Esso has the forgotten rookie of 1970-71 – a guy you simply never see.The most famous rookie that year, of course,was Darryl Sittler.While Sittler went on to fame and fortune despite only an 18-point rookie season (wrist injury), another rookie – a guy named Bill MacMillan – actually potted better than 20 goals.

    That Esso book is worth its weight in gold!! The era of sideburns in all its glory. I’m going to have to go and find the box in the basement where I put mine.

  91. Rube Foster says:

    Reja: 6) Blue Monday.
    7) Shilling’s bloody sock.
    8) Kirk Gibson ham and egging it around the bases.
    9) Pete Rose collision at home plate.
    10) Carlton Fisk body english.

    Parker’s throw, Carter’s tag 1979 Allstar Game.

  92. Munny says:

    I remember the book but rarely ever got any stickers. Dad was a Texaco man through and through. Craved them like mad. You know how kids can mither the parents to death about those sorts of things? Pretty sure I was that kid. Never once could I sway his loyalty to Bill Mayowski at the good old Texaco though.

  93. ArmchairGM says:

    dustrock:
    Regarding Benson, I always love Brad’s work.

    I wonder if there’s a way Benson can break the math because of his original exceptional status and high original draft expectations (top 10 pick).

    Obviously we have to use the math that he’s provided us but if he’s going to be an outlier, I think it will be because he had an expected higher ranking before all of the injuries.

    So you hope he’s going to score more like a Marchand or a Trocheck.

    I think he can break the math, not for the reasons you mention but because the math is simply showing what other people did in other situations. The guy who has done the best from that list is Marchand, and a large part of that is because he developed chemistry with one of the top centers in the game – Bergeron. Most of the other guys listed never got that opportunity at all, whereas Benson will. If the Pilers treat him like Puljujarvi, the worst center Benson is likely to spend a significant amount of time with is Nugent-Hopkins, at best he’ll spend time with McDavid and/or Draisaitl. There’s no telling if he’ll click with any of these guys, but if he does he’ll make that 12 point, 40 game estimate look silly.

    Opportunity. It’s a thing.

  94. Andy Dufresne says:

    GMB3: This is my concern. I’ve saved up a pretty significant sum of cash (to me$ and I’ve never done much in Europe. I’m debating going on a longer trip during the summer.. but I’m 27 and recently single so I feel like now is a pretty good time to go and I think it would be pretty fun.

    I’ll summon all my wisdom and expertise (I stuffed it into a thimble, its around here somewhere.) and advise you to GO

    GO GO GO GO!!!

    You will never regret it. Not just Prauge and The World Chmapionships (although that will be AWESOME especially at age 27) BUT ANYWHERE.

    GO,

    GO GO GO GO !!
    .
    .

    ..
    ..
    .

    .
    ..
    Serioulsy, go.
    You have the rest of your life to worry about/save money. Youre only 27 once.

  95. Andy Dufresne says:

    Munny:
    I remember the book but rarely ever got any stickers.Dad was a Texaco man through and through.Craved them like mad.You know how kids can mither the parents to death about those sorts of things?Pretty sure I was that kid.Never once could I sway his loyalty to Bill Mayowski at the good old Texaco though.

    I completely get that. Its a big deal. There are emotions involved. There are some things parents just dont get. 🙂

  96. Andy Dufresne says:

    VanIsleOil: Haha…I had the same Esso book filled in completely.My Dad was also a farmer who bought bulk Esso gas. Had my book filled way before my jealous buddies. Loved that book… too bad it’s gone,many good memories….life was simpler then.

    True Dat. True Dat.

  97. Andy Dufresne says:

    blackadder: The name “Darryl Sly” will live in infamy for me because of this set.He briefly played for the Canucks, was the only card I needed to complete the set and never got it.

    Later ended up having a friend, who felt sorry for me because 30 years later I was still upset about it, give me his set when he found his parents had kept it in their basement.Just about cried when I saw Darryl Sly in the book.

    Great story. Im guessing “just about cried” was not just a figure of speech. We all had that one sticker that was really really hard to find / trrade for.

  98. Andy Dufresne says:

    Rube Foster: That Esso book is worth its weight in gold!! The era of sideburns in all its glory. I’m going to have to go and find the box in the basement where I put mine.

    Nice. Put it somewhere safe. It will make you smile everytime you look at it for the rest of your life.

  99. Reja says:

    Rube Foster: Parker’s throw, Carter’s tag 1979 Allstar Game.

    All time gun throw that’s for sure. Now I have two songs continuously running through my head the catchy tune by Rick Springfield and the song We are family that the Pirates made extra famous.

  100. Andy Dufresne says:

    Victoria Oil:
    Andy Dufresne,

    Thanks for the memories of that 1970-71 Esso set. Wish I still had my set. I can’t remember what Esso called them (Power Players or something like that??).

    You’re Welcome. And thank you for joining in my fellow collector!

  101. SkatinginSand says:

    Melman:
    Andy Dufresne,

    Cesky Krumlov is a very worthwhile one day stop in. Not too far from Prague by car and is really quite lovely

    Will second this. Spent a great day there last year. Language issues are not a concern.

  102. ArmchairGM says:

    Reja: I’ll eat my left sandal if Oilers signed surfer boy Marleau in land locked Edmonton

    Just how much surfing do you think goes on in Toronto between October and April? Or any time, really?

    I don’t think surfing is going to decide where Marleau ends up.

  103. BONE207 says:

    GMB3: This is my concern. I’ve saved up a pretty significant sum of cash (to me$ and I’ve never done much in Europe. I’m debating going on a longer trip during the summer.. but I’m 27 and recently single so I feel like now is a pretty good time to go and I think it would be pretty fun.

    I’ve been to Europe 12 times. Never a boring trip. Take the bus tours or just walk, I’ve found it safe. If you have the time, may as well visit Budapest & Vienna as well. I went to WHC in Paris a couple years ago. Go to any bar where there are hockey fans & you’ll have a great time. I sure did.

  104. Side says:

    ArmchairGM: Just how much surfing do you think goes on in Toronto between October and April? Or any time,really?

    I don’t think surfing is going to decide where Marleau ends up.

    I think I’ve said this before – reminds me of all of the Jaromir Jagr conversations about where he would sign in his last season

    “there is absolutely no way Jagr would ever play in Alberta!”

    If Jagr can go to Calgary, I really don’t think it’s too unrealistic to think that Marleau would go to Edmonton…

  105. Andy Dufresne says:

    geowal: My thoughts based not on having been but am committed to going to the tourney so have researched some things:
    -you will undoubtedly fly to Prague if flying straight to Czech, but if you haven’t noticed, the tournament is in Ostrava (and another small town) about a 3hr30 train from Prague. So schedule in some Prague time, but don’t be thinking you’ll be there the whole time. As far as I can tell, the Ostrava airport doesn’t fly anywhere useful.
    -if Prague flights aren’t enticing, see if breaking it up and flying KLM to Amsterdam and a discount airline to Prague gets you.
    -the Christmas markets in Prague are a big draw for many, and seems like a cool place to spend Christmas Day.
    -game tickets are cheap, but some key games have sold out, and that was a couple months ago. Give that a look. I may have Canada-Germany tickets for sale btw, not sure yet.
    -beer is cheap. And they are not on the Euro, so you get a great exchange rate on spending there.
    -I’m told Czech villages ‘can’ be quite charming.
    -if you like the idea of train travel and making a bigger trip out of it, Bratislava and Vienna are close to each other and about 3hrs from Ostrava. Bratislava is worth the trip I’m told. Further afield are Budapest and some Polish cities.
    -my buddy made a 2 week hotel reservation in an Ostrava suburb which was reasonably cheap. Sounds like you’re running solo so can probably get cheaper and closer than us though.
    -going to Auschwitz is very doable from Ostrava, either by car or train, and is quiet in a good way in the winter.
    -I’m going to be getting some pretty thorough restaurant recommendations from a coworker at some point so I can post those if you like when I get them.

    Nice summary. Thank You.

    Are the semi finals and finals already sold out?

    Was just at the IIHF site. Cant figure out how to buy tickets

  106. tileguy says:

    Andy Dufresne: Nice.Great action sequence. You had me at….Lou Brock and Willie Horton.

    Here is a link showing a picture of that play and great description from the Detroit archives.
    https://www.vintagedetroit.com/blog/2011/06/12/1968-world-series-moment-lou-brock-didnt-slide-3/

  107. Crazy Pedestrian says:

    Soooo…..

    Who do you guys suppose TBay will need to trade to get Point signed to mega deal we’re all expecting (but will be astonished that they were able to sign him for $2M less)???

  108. deardylan says:

    Andy Dufresne: I’ll summon all my wisdom and expertise (I stuffed it into a thimble, its around here somewhere.) and advise you to GO

    GO GO GO GO!!!

    You will never regret it. Not just Prauge and The World Chmapionships (although that will be AWESOME especially at age 27) BUT ANYWHERE.

    GO,

    GO GO GO GO !!
    .
    .

    ..
    ..
    .

    .
    ..
    Serioulsy, go.
    You have the rest of your life to worry about/save money. Youre only 27 once.

    If you delay
    Life can get in way

    A few more years
    a nest to feed
    A few more years after that
    Parents age and start to need

    A few more years after that
    You age and start to be unable to read

    Then its the 2nd best perfect time for epic travels
    At 27 and 72 the future unravels

    Raise a glass for a life full of mirth
    When you really saw touch tasted felt melted into

    THE EARTH

  109. defmn says:

    Side: I think I’ve said this before – reminds me of all of the Jaromir Jagr conversations about where he would sign in his last season

    “there is absolutely no way Jagr would ever play in Alberta!”

    If Jagr can go to Calgary, I really don’t think it’s too unrealistic to think that Marleau would go to Edmonton…

    SJS have about $5.3 mil with 20 players signed and, I presume, Thornton and Marleau both wanting to play and split whatever is left.

    I think they want to get the band back together and are just waiting for Wilson to say he is finished and this is what I can offer you.

  110. defmn says:

    Crazy Pedestrian:
    Soooo…..

    Who do you guys suppose TBay will need to trade to get Point signed to mega deal we’re all expecting (but will be astonished that they were able to sign him for $2M less)???

    Not sure what they will do this fall but take a look at their 2020-2021 projection. 13 players signed for $66,716,905 with Sergachev in his RFA contract year.

    That’s going to take some fancy footwork. 😉

  111. geowal says:

    Andy Dufresne: Nice summary. Thank You.

    Are the semi finals and finals already sold out?

    Was just at the IIHF site. Cant figure out how to buy tickets

    The website is a bit clunky. Once you’re at the iihf page for the tourney and click through a couple buy ticket links you should see individual games. If you see an odd looking arena map with a colour that matches the colour in the price legend, tickets are available with a number in the section for how many. Zoom in and you should see individual seats to pick.
    If it’s all grey it’s all sold out.
    -all Czech games sold out, plus Canada except the German games.
    -final is sold out. Tickets available for both semifinals and the qtrs that are in Ostrava.
    -apparently more seats will be released in mid September.

  112. Reja says:

    Andy Dufresne: Great story. Im guessing “just about cried” was not just a figure of speech. We all had that one sticker that was really really hard to find / trrade for.

    You made me think of hockey cards and if you had the same one 6 times they would be used
    in the spokes of your bike with the old wooden clothesline pins. Sometimes you would
    use two or three. You could actually hear and know which buddy was coming from a block and a half away because they all made their own distinct sound.

  113. geowal says:

    Andy Dufresne,

    If you see a little “more information” text next to a game it is currently sold out.
    -I have no idea what the secondary market looks like for this, or if there is one.

  114. Reja says:

    ArmchairGM: Just how much surfing do you think goes on in Toronto between October and April? Or any time,really?

    I don’t think surfing is going to decide where Marleau ends up.

    The centre of the hockey universe was a great fit for Marleau allowed him one last huge contract with zero pressure and a good chance at the cup. If he doesn’t retire I’ll take California for $500 Alex.

  115. Reja says:

    Side: I think I’ve said this before – reminds me of all of the Jaromir Jagr conversations about where he would sign in his last season

    “there is absolutely no way Jagr would ever play in Alberta!”

    If Jagr can go to Calgary, I really don’t think it’s too unrealistic to think that Marleau would go to Edmonton…

    Jagr didn’t like the beach his entertainment was more indoors.

  116. Victoria Oil says:

    Munny: He was an extraordinarily valiant human, being.

    Agreed – Terry Fox was one of a kind. My wife’s friend just ran 7 marathons in 7 days in 7 states on two legs. Terry Fox ran, on average, a marathon a day for 143 days. On one leg.

  117. Andy Dufresne says:

    deardylan: If you delay
    Life can get in way

    A few more years
    a nest to feed
    A few more years after that
    Parents age and start to need

    A few more years after that
    You age and start to be unable to read

    Then its the 2nd best perfect time for epic travels
    At 27 and 72 the future unravels

    Raise a glass for a life full of mirth
    When you really saw touch tasted felt melted into

    THE EARTH

    Nice. Did you just make that up?……kidding 🙂

    Melted into the Earth….What Am I?….the Wicked WItch of the East.

    (Serioulsy though, there is a reason why sarcophagus’s have drain holes in the bottom)

  118. Andy Dufresne says:

    geowal: The website is a bit clunky. Once you’re at the iihf page for the tourney and click through a couple buy ticket links you should see individual games. If you see an odd looking arena map with a colour that matches the colour in the price legend, tickets are available with a number in the section for how many. Zoom in and you should see individual seats to pick.
    If it’s all grey it’s all sold out.
    -all Czech games sold out, plus Canada except the German games.
    -final is sold out. Tickets available for both semifinals and the qtrs that are in Ostrava.
    -apparently more seats will be released in mid September.

    Thank You VERY much. You just saved me a fair amount of time. 🙂

  119. Andy Dufresne says:

    Reja: You made me think of hockey cards and if you had the same one 6 times they would be used
    in the spokes of your bike with the old wooden clothesline pins. Sometimes you woulduse two or three. You could actually hear and know which buddy was coming from a block and a half away because they all made their own distinct sound.

    Another thing that brings a smile to my face everytime. 🙂

  120. Andy Dufresne says:

    tileguy,

    Thank You.

    The old “knee to the groin; shoulder to the head slide” haha

    Back when baseball was a full contact sport.

  121. Victoria Oil says:

    Andy Dufresne,

    Andy, I see you’ve made 2 or 3 posts today. Are you attempting to outpost OP? 🙂

    Would be curious to see the stats on how many times different guys post on this site.

  122. franksterra says:

    SkatinginSand,

    Third this. Beautiful

  123. geowal says:

    Andy Dufresne: Thank You VERY much. You just saved me a fair amount of time.

    No prob, I don’t often manage to contribute something useful where someone else hasn’t already done so in superior fashion! I’ve learned tons on this site so I’m due!

  124. unca miltie says:

    Munny,

    still brings tears to my eyes thinking about it. The Hall of Fame was on the exhibition grounds, The display was incredible. Took a good half an hour to go through it all.

  125. Side says:

    Reja: Jagr didn’t like the beach his entertainment was more indoors.

    What outdoor entertainment does Marleau enjoy so much in Toronto that he couldn’t do in Edmonton?

  126. pts2pndr says:

    jp: Thanks for posting this, and I agree 100% that we should temper expectation on Benson a bit.

    But I think Brad’s projection is a little low for a couple of reasons.

    First, he took the pool of players drafted 31-71 as a comparables. Benson is at the very high end of that group by draft position. One could also argue that Benson would have been picked higher if not for injury. But regardless of what could have been, his actual draft position was at the very top of this pool.

    Second, his Draft +3 season was better than any of the comps. The very best 7 comparables had AHL PPG of 0.71 to 0.88. This group is very encouraging long term with 5 of the 7 having strong NHL careers (Marchand, Trocheck, Vermette, Bolland and Stoll). Benson was 0.97 PPG last year. So the off the curve based on Draft +3 production.

    Based on both draft position and Draft + 3 AHL performance Benson is ahead of every comparable used by Blue Bullet.

    I do agree we should keep our expectations in check. At the same time a reasonable conclusion of the analysis is that Benson is performing BETTER than every one of the comparables at this point (obviously no one thinks he’ll become Marchand long term).

    IMO there’s a good chance that he beats the 40 games, 12 points average of the group. Especially considering the openings the Oilers have for skill wingers. Will be interesting to see.

    There was a player named Dino Cicarrelli who was not drafted due to a serious leg injury in his draft year. He went on to play over 1200 games. Recovery from injury, particularly with serious injuries is very hard to predict.

  127. Ryan says:

    Victoria Oil:
    Andy Dufresne,

    Andy, I see you’ve made 2 or 3 posts today. Are you attempting to outpost OP?

    Would be curious to see the stats on how many times different guys post on this site.

    I’m pretty certain that OP has the highest posts/60 stats at this site.

    Although Reja’s probably the posts/60 leader from the draft until now.

  128. russ99 says:

    BONE207,

    Been about 10-12 times to Europe myself, and the most fun I’ve had is off the beaten path. It’s better to experience things yourself than be stuck on a bus with a guide, but to each his/her own.

    Unless you spend more time in rural areas, most people speak English, just be polite about it, especially when In doubt. Most cities are safe but be a little more wary after dark. I’ve has great luck with Uber the last two trips (be sure and check the plate every time) and the European rail system is relatively inexpensive and very efficient.

    Also, for the major attractions, especially during tourist season, things sell out, so I usually either order days ahead of time online or get an early start and get there when it opens.

    The other tip I have is get one of those SIM cards at the airport so you can stay connected on your phone. Being in a foreign country and in doubt of where to go with no internet can be a bit daunting.

    Try to experience as much of the local culture and food that you can.

    Best wishes on your trip!

  129. Ryan says:

    Dellow’s been busy.

    Subban, Gusev, Simmonds…

  130. Reja says:

    Side: What outdoor entertainment does Marleau enjoy so much in Toronto that he couldn’t do in Edmonton?

    18.75 mil for 3 yrs at 37yrs with zero pressure. Now it’s back to surf city with the gang in San Jose for one or two last attempts at the Holy Grail.

  131. Justthestatsman says:

    Rube Foster: Parker’s throw, Carter’s tag 1979 Allstar Game.

    I don’t watch much baseball anymore.. Still remember Dave Van Horne’s “El Presidente El Perfecto!”

  132. OriginalPouzar says:

    KingerOilredux: – Will see.My point is that unless he has a good C to work with: I agree with 12 points 40 games

    – If he’s not going to be partnered with RNH, Drai or CmD: whose his C and linemates going to be? and they are going to cycle through all of the Holland guys and incumbents before getting to him in the bottom-6: Jurco, Garlund, Archbald, Neal, Haas, Nygard, Jar, Pool, Malone, etc

    – So yeah, put him on a line game 1 with CmD or Drai then all bets are off.

    -3 C’s on top 2 lines though, no way Benson gets to the front ofbus ahead of Chiasson, Kassian, Neal, etc.So he’s bottom 6 with sucky C’s some time in the bigs to start career IMO

    – And this was Blue Bullet point: based on draft pedigree, points to date, age and stage, etc…

    – And if they aren’t going 3Cs: math don’t lie.Hope tricks us though

    If Benson proves to be legit middle six or top 6 ready, it could/should lead to the ability to go to the three center set.

    Pairs:

    McDavid/Kass
    Dria/Chiasson
    Nuge/Neal

    Maybe:

    XXXX/McDavid/ass
    Khaira/Drai/Chiasson
    Benson/Nuge/Neal

    Jesse Puljujarvi a wild card for 1LW.

    Sam Gagner in the mix.

    Nygard is a LW but I refuse to put him in the top 6 until I see if he’s at least an NHL player.

  133. Justthestatsman says:

    Andy Dufresne: Love Wilf Paimont!

    Excessively Long Post Warning:

    From 1970-71.If you went to Esso that year, you could get a booklet with six stickers in it, each of which you could then keep in a special Esso wallet or paste into either a softcover or hardcover album.

    There were 252 of them, 18 stickers for each of the 14 teams in the NHL.They were about the size of a large postage stamp, maybe an inch and a half tall.Since there were no stickers for trophy winners, all-stars or checklists, this actually made it the biggest set out there in terms of actual players depicted.(OPC had 264 cards, but gave up a bunch to awards, etc.)
    They’re cool for a number of reasons,

    The first is that this is the only product you could get in 1970-71 that had actual game shots in it.Everything else that you could get at that time used posed photographs, and it had been that way for years.For early 1970s action shots, Esso was it.
    For this reason, for goalies, this means you actually get to see them in gear.This, to my knowledge, is the only card produced during Gerry Cheevers’ actual career that actually shows him in that famous mask.

    Another reason why this set is cool is that the shots are all up to date.Vancouver and Buffalo were expansion teams, but Esso managed to get current game action pictures of every player for both teams. Also new for 1970-71, Toronto unveiled a new uniform.Every Leaf player in the Esso set is shown wearing it.

    The final thing is that since the Esso set had more players in it than anyone else (say three extra players per team, on average), there are certain players here that are never seen otherwise, or at least never seen with the team they played for in 1970-71.Phil Myre (who was in Atlanta for most of the 1970s) is among the Montreal Canadiens goalies.Detroit has Al Karlander (who?) and Danny Lawson (probably most famous with the Calgary Cowboys).

    For Toronto, Esso has the forgotten rookie of 1970-71 – a guy you simply never see.The most famous rookie that year, of course,was Darryl Sittler.While Sittler went on to fame and fortune despite only an 18-point rookie season (wrist injury), another rookie – a guy named Bill MacMillan – actually potted better than 20 goals.

    Hey thanks for this reminder and all of the nostalgic memories everyone has shared.

    I certainly remember the stickers. I loved collecting them but I didn’t get too many. My mom drove a puddle jumper of a car with a small gas tank and unless you got a friendly gas station attendant you had to buy at least $3 worth of gas to collect a sticker. Mom was kind of ticked when we did get a sticker, as it usually meant the price of gas had gone up.

    My memory may not be totally accurate, but I seem to recall that in spite of the few stickers I was able to collect that I somehow managed to get multiple copies of Bruce Gamble.

  134. OriginalPouzar says:

    Responding to the following from AndyDufresne
    _______________
    Agreed – things have changed and I’d love to see a healthy and motivated Jesse Puljujarvi in camp with his mind on right.

    Adding him as an option somewhere in the top 9 would be wonderful.

  135. OriginalPouzar says:

    KingerOilredux: – This is long my biggest beef with the Oil: there was one set of rules with Hall-RNH-Ebs who got to play together, got all the PP time

    – But when Yak comes up (for instance): he had to be taught lessons, and play to a different set of standards than the Austins.The Austins weren’t being taught lessons, they just played together and did what they did.

    – The team has had a hard time with how to handle the roster save a few studs that play together.I hear what Ricki is saying :Drai and CmD play together, but then don’t draft skilled players and be p+ssed when they aren’t 200-foot players or score much with grinders, and bench them to teach them lessons.Or wonder why skilled guys don’t like being mis-cast with no opportunity

    Yak’s most common linemates in his first season were Gagner, PRV and Hemsky.

    In his second season, they were Gagner, Nuge and Eberle.

    This does not line up with you pet peeve.

  136. OriginalPouzar says:

    defmn: Asia is more interesting imo.

    Agreed. And Africa is more interesting that Asia, in my opinion.

    Europe is just fine, and potentially even better, for a recently single 21 year old.

  137. defmn says:

    OriginalPouzar: Agreed.And Africa is more interesting that Asia, in my opinion.

    Europe is just fine, and potentially even better, for a recently single 21 year old.

    I have only been to parts of North Africa so I will take your word for that. The cuisine tips the balance to Asia for me.

  138. rickithebear says:

    OriginalPouzar: If Benson proves to be legit middle six or top 6 ready, it could/should lead to the ability to go to the three center set.

    Pairs:

    McDavid/Kass
    Dria/Chiasson
    Nuge/Neal

    Maybe:

    XXXX/McDavid/ass
    Khaira/Drai/Chiasson
    Benson/Nuge/Neal

    Jesse Puljujarvi a wild card for 1LW.

    Sam Gagner in the mix.

    Nygard is a LW but I refuse to put him in the top 6 until I see if he’s at least an NHL player.

    Age NHLE curves created by Desjardins are the only way to check for consistent performance in NHL production translation.
    Benson sits as our 4th best total point option at 42.
    But one of the 2 worst total goal options with Mcleod.

    Age NHLE can identify regression of players year to year.
    Even though standard NHLE would lie to you and say it is the same.
    As a player matures his standard NHLE should increase by a marked %.

    Benson consistent age NHLE suggests top 90 C total goals & top 65 C total points
    Clearly a #3 C but his even production could increase to fringe 2 Nd or better.
    His (20 yr) 13 evg in AHL age league NHLE translates to 7.8 (8) evg

    Lavoie draft -1 & draft playoffs suggests top 25 C total goals & top 35 C total points
    His draft reg season suggests top 40 C total G & top 50 center total points.
    It is not known were he is best suited C/RW
    Drai, Mcdavid, RNH
    Kassian 14 evg #38 RW
    Chaisson 13 evg #41 LW, #44 RW
    Archibald 12 evg #52 RW
    Granlund 10 evg #60 LW, #62 RW

    What do we know of Khaira.
    17-18 10 evg
    18-19 14 eva
    Top 40 PK forward in league

    Puljujarvi 19 yr season per nat stat
    65 gm 815:28 10 evg
    .74 evg/60

    Tkachuk 19 yrvseason per nat stat
    76gm 958:49 10 evg
    .63 evg/60

    The one concern I had with Puljujarvi pre draft was the sub 7% shooting he had in Finland.

  139. ArmchairGM says:

    Reja: The centre of the hockey universe was a great fit for Marleau allowed him one last huge contract with zero pressure and a good chance at the cup. If he doesn’t retire I’ll take California for $500 Alex.

    How nice for you. But the Surfer Dude narrative is just silly.

  140. rickithebear says:

    Holland has not had the Forward depth he would like the last few years.
    We here he lets players cook in the minors.

    Question is how old does he prefer his players before they get 32+ gm season in NHL.
    Is he like LT draft +5 (23)
    Does he give them a chance after age is no longer a translation issue. (22)
    Or is it sooner than that.

    Holland publicly stated that players have asked for trades and he has convinced some to stay and some wanted to go. He only made a trade when the trade was in the teams interest.
    Puljujarvi played in NHL @ 18, 19, 20.
    Young forwards under Holland with close to 2/5 of season.
    22yr is draft +4 when age adjustment is gone.
    18-19 Rasmussen (19) 4 evg 10 PPA, Larkin (22)
    17-18 Larkin (21), Mantha (22), bertuzzi (22)
    16-17 Larkin (20), Mantha (21)
    15-16 Larkin (19), Athanasiou (21), Jurco (22)
    ——————————————————- Blashill becomes coach
    14-15 Jurco (21), Sheahan (22),
    13-14 Jurco (20), Sheahan (21)
    12-13 None
    11-12 None
    10-11 None
    9-10 Helm (22), Abdelkader (22)
    8-9 None
    7-8 None
    6-7 Hudler (22), Filpulla (22)
    5-6 None
    ——————————————- Babcock becomes coach
    3-4 Zetterberg (22)
    2-3 Zetterberg (21), Avery (22)
    ——————————————- Lewis becomes coach
    1-2 Avery (21)
    0-1 Devereaux (22)
    99-00 butsayev (20)
    98-99 Dandenault (22)
    97-98 Dandenault (21)
    ————————————————- Holland made GM July 1997
    96-97 Dandenault (20), Lapointe (22)
    95-96 Dandenault (19), Lapointe (21)
    94-95 Lapointe (20), Primeau (22), Kozlov (22), MaCarty (22)
    93-94 Lapointe (19), Primeau (21), Kozlov (21), McCarty (21), Sillinger (22), Draper (22), Johnson (22)
    ——————————————- Scotty B. Becomes coach

    97-98 to 12-13 seems to be (22 yr) draft +4.
    When age translation is no longer an issue.
    Core development should be closer to complete

    Jurco LW/RW was the only 20 yr old game count Season under Babcock.
    Butsayev under Scotty B.
    Larkin was brought in under blashill.

    Holland must still think their is something their in Jurco.
    I would expect a chance for the guy who has shown top 6 fwd even production pace thru his limited career.

    Age this season:
    Maroody (23) in dec.
    —————————————— draft +4
    Puljujarvi (21) this season
    Benson (21) this season
    Yamamoto (21) in sept
    Maximov (20)
    Mcleod (20) in sept
    Lavoie unsigned (19) in sept
    Who has been remarkable last 2 seasons in our prospects.

    LT: your draft +5 education early on in this blog.
    Is a mantra any fan should hold.

  141. rickithebear says:

    Looking at forwards & D under 23
    ——————————— Lowe GM; MacT Coach
    05-06 hemsky (22)
    O6-07 Smid (20) MAP (21), JFJ (21), Lupul (22), Thoersen (22)
    07-08 Gagner (18), Cogliano (20), Smid (21), Storitini (21), Nilsson (22), MAP (22), JFJ (22)
    ———————————- Katz new owner Tambellini GM
    08-09 Gagner (19), Cogs (21), Smid (22), Reddox (22), Storitini (22)
    ———————————- Quinn New Coach
    09-10 Gagner (20), Cogs (22), Brule (22), Chorney (22)
    ———————————- Renney New Coach
    10-11 Hall (18), Pujarvi (19), Eberle (20), Gagner (21), Peckham (22), Petry (22)
    11-12 RNH (18), Hall (19), Pujarvi (20), Lander (20), Eberle (21), Gagner (22)
    ———————————— Kruger Coach
    12-13 Yakupov (18), RNH (19), Hall (20), Pujarvi (21), Lander (21), Eberle (22), Schultz (23)
    ———————————— MacT GM, Eakins Coach
    13-14 Yakupov (19), RNH (20), Hall (21), Marincin (21)
    14-15 Draisaitl (18), Yakupov (20), RNH (21), Klefbom (21), Hall (22), Marincin (22)
    ————————————- Chiarelli GM, Mclelland Coach
    15-16 Mcdavid (18), Draisaitl (19), Nurse (20), Yak (21), RNH (22), Klef (22)
    16-17 JP (18), Mcdavid (19), Drai (20), Nurse (21), Caggulia (22), Benning (22), Slep (22)
    17-18 JP (19), Mcdavid (20), Drai (21), Nurse (22)
    18-19 JP (20) Mcdavid (21), Drai (22)
    ——————————Holland GM, Tippett Coach

    Nicely set up not to bring on any 22yr olds other than Mcdavid.
    Which Holland has done often in the past.

  142. rickithebear says:

    Holland’s history shows a desire for mature players all being equal
    Current signed depth.
    Mcdavid C (22)
    Draisaitl LW, C, RW(23)
    Khaira LW, C (24)
    Cave C (24)
    RNH C (26)
    Granlund LW, RW (26)
    Archibald RW (26)
    Nygard LW (26)
    Jurco LW,RW (26)
    Haas C (27)
    Chaisson LW,RW (28)
    Kassian RW (28)
    Gagner RW (29)
    Neal LW (31)
    Brodziak C (35)
    15 FWDS 7 who can play center.

    Nurse LD (24)
    Benning RD (25)
    Persson RD (25)
    Larsson RD (26)
    Klefbom LD (26)
    Manning LD (29)
    Russell LD,RD (32)
    7 Dmen 3 LD, 3 RD & 1 who can play both.

    Koskinen G (31)
    Smith G (37)

    Prospects by age:
    Day D (26)
    Gambardella LW (26) in dec
    Lagesson LD (23)
    Maroody C,RW (23) in Dec.
    —————————————— All below cooking for 1-2 more years in AHL would be Holland’s way.
    Hebig RW,C (22)
    Jones LD (22)
    Bear RD (22)
    Benson LW (21)
    Yamamotto RW,C (21) in sept
    Maximov RW (20)
    Samaroukov LD (20)
    Mcleod C (20) in sept.

  143. OriginalPouzar says:

    defmn: I have only been to parts of North Africa so I will take your word for that. The cuisine tips the balance to Asia for me.

    We did an 18 day Tanzania/Kenya safari adventure back in 2016 finished with 5 days on the beaches of Zanzibar – just an amazing trip – exceeded our expectations which were very high to start with.

    We are booked on another 3 week trip July 2020 – Rawanda, Uganda and the DRC (only 2 days in the DRC to climb a volcano and camp at the top over-looking the worlds largest lava lake.

    This will be less safara and more culture – staying in villages, eating with the locals, etc. Gorilla trecking in Uganda – can’t effing wait.

    The level of luxury is quite a bit down from what my pretentious ass is used to but its going to be an amazing experience.

    https://www.rockmyadventure.com/uganda-rwanda-drc-group-adventure-solo-travellers/

  144. Lowetide says:

    New for The Athletic: Handicapping the Oilers young defencemen and their chances of replacing Andrej Sekera

    https://theathletic.com/1103278/2019/07/30/lowetide-handicapping-the-oilers-young-defencemen-and-their-chances-of-replacing-andrej-sekera/

  145. Reja says:

    ArmchairGM: How nice for you. But the Surfer Dude narrative is just silly.

    Not for his wife and half a baseball team they have. Mark Messier has a better chance of coming out of retirement and lacing them up for the Oilers.

  146. HT Joe says:

    OriginalPouzar:

    XXXX/McDavid/ass
    Khaira/Drai/Chiasson
    Benson/Nuge/Neal

    Jesse Puljujarvi a wild card for 1LW.

    Sam Gagner in the mix.

    Nygard is a LW but I refuse to put him in the top 6 until I see if he’s at least an NHL player.

    You and I are very aligned. Can Puljujarvi play LW? Can Kassian?

  147. Jethro Tull says:

    Can I see some math into the interest/60 of the continents please?

    Personal interest is subjective to the individual. Each tiny region of the world has so much history, if you look for it, let alone entire continents.

    I dunno. I guess I find sweeping statements like “continent X is more interesting than continent Y” really precocious.

  148. Side says:

    Reja: Not for his wife and half a baseball team they have. Mark Messier has a better chance of coming out of retirement and lacing them up for the Oilers.

    I always find it a bit odd when someone is so adamant about how a person they have never met before will behave.

    So you’re saying he signed in Toronto for the money but now he wants to play in SJS to surf?

  149. ArmchairGM says:

    Reja: Not for his wife and half a baseball team they have. Mark Messier has a better chance of coming out of retirement and lacing them up for the Oilers.

    I agree that he’s very likely to go to San Jose and not very likely to go to Edmonton. But surfing isn’t the reason.

  150. Reja says:

    ArmchairGM: I agree that he’s very likely to go to San Jose and not very likely to go to Edmonton. But surfing isn’t the reason.

    Best surfing conditions off the coastline of California or between September through November.
    Pros
    1) Best swells of the year.
    2) excellent wind conditions
    3) Kids back in school.
    4) Wife back in yoga class.
    Cons.
    1) Slightly less Bikinis on beach.

  151. ArmchairGM says:

    Reja: Best surfing conditions off the coastline of California or between September through November.
    Pros
    1) Best swells of the year.
    2) excellent wind conditions
    3) Kids back in school.
    4) Wife back in yoga class.
    Cons.
    1) Slightly less Bikinis on beach.

    So what?

    If Marleau signs in SJ it’s because he wants a chance to win a Cup, not because of surfing conditions. For that reason he isn’t going to go to a non-playoff team like Edmonton.

    End of story.

  152. defmn says:

    Jethro Tull:
    Can I see some math into the interest/60 of the continents please?

    Personal interest is subjective to the individual.Each tiny region of the world has so much history, if you look for it, let alone entire continents.

    I dunno. I guess I find sweeping statements like “continent X is more interesting than continent Y” really precocious.

    I’m not sure ‘precocious’ means what you think it means. 😉

    precocious

    adj.
    Manifesting or characterized by development, aptitude, or interests considered advanced for a given age.

  153. defmn says:

    OriginalPouzar: We did an 18 day Tanzania/Kenya safari adventure back in 2016 finished with 5 days on the beaches of Zanzibar – just an amazing trip – exceeded our expectations which were very high to start with.

    We are booked on another 3 week trip July 2020 – Rawanda, Uganda and the DRC (only 2 days in the DRC to climb a volcano and camp at the top over-looking the worlds largest lava lake.

    This will be less safara and more culture – staying in villages, eating with the locals, etc. Gorilla trecking in Uganda – can’t effing wait.

    The level of luxury is quite a bit down from what my pretentious ass is used to but its going to be an amazing experience.

    https://www.rockmyadventure.com/uganda-rwanda-drc-group-adventure-solo-travellers/

    That looks amazing. I am old now so trips of that sort are no longer on my agenda – not to mention that your “pretentious ass” is probably less pretentious than my wife’s. 😉

    We have 5 weeks in Vietnam booked for Jan – Feb this winter. That is about the extent of her adventurousness.

  154. Professor Q says:

    defmn: I’m not sure ‘precocious’ means what you think it means.

    precocious

    adj. Manifesting or characterized by development, aptitude, or interests considered advanced for a given age.

    “And she knows just what it takes to make a pro blush.
    She’s got Greta Garbo stand-off sighs;
    She’s got Bette Davis eyes.”

  155. Professor Q says:

    Reja: Not for his wife and half a baseball team they have. Mark Messier has a better chance of coming out of retirement and lacing them up for the Oilers.

    I wasn’t aware that Marleau was a billionaire?

  156. defmn says:

    Professor Q: “And she knows just what it takes to make a pro blush.
    She’s got Greta Garbo stand-off sighs;
    She’s got Bette Davis eyes.”

    LOL

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