2019-20 Game Three: Oilers at Islanders

The mind floods with memories, with only an ‘Oilers at Islanders’ verbal prompt. A lot of Edmonton’s NHL hockey history played out on the ice the current team will negotiate tonight.

The first game played at Nassau Country Coliseum by the Oilers finished 3-3, on goals from Bill Flett, Blair MacDonald and Peter Driscoll. Boxscore is here. The most memorable: 34 saves on 34 shots by Grant Fuhr, Oilers 1-0 winners May 10, 1984. Boxscore here. You talk about tense. It was mid-summer before the collective Oilersnation sphincters completely relaxed. Those two teams, Islanders and Oilers from 1975 to 1992, are among the best who have ever played this beautiful game. That old arena may not be much today, but if walls could talk.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of The Athletic, there is a Puck Drop Special offer here.

  • New Daniel Nugent-Bowman: How Joel Persson went from being a part-time teacher three years ago to patrolling the Oilers blue line (this is exceptional).
  • New Lowetide: Keeping an eye on Jesse Puljujarvi: Which teams could emerge as potential trade partners?
  • New Lowetide: Kailer Yamamoto’s fast start in the AHL highlights an active week for Oilers prospects
  • Lowetide: A shift-by-shift analysis of Ethan Bear in the Oilers’ season opener
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Looking at how the Oilers can manage on defence without Adam Larsson
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: No need to temper expectations after Connor McDavid’s season debut for Oilers
  • Lowetide: Ken Holland has a plan for the Oilers’ top prospects.
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: At home with Ken Holland: Packing away the championship memories and preparing for a new challenge
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Q&A: Oscar Klefbom on being a mentor, his strategy for staying healthy and saying goodbye to a friend.
  • Daniel and Jon: Ten bold (and not so bold) predictions for the Oilers this season
  • Lowetide: The Oilers are poised to break a 25-year-old franchise record this season
  • Lowetide: Jay Woodcroft’s Bakersfield Condors might be bound for glory
  • Corey Pronman: Oilers No. 9 farm system.
  • Lowetide: Oilers top 20 prospects summer 2019.

OILERS IN OCTOBER

  • Oilers in October 20150-3-0, goal differential -6
  • Oilers in October 2016: 2-1-0, goal differential +1
  • Oilers in October 2017: 1-2-0, goal differential -1
  • Oilers in October 2018: 1-2-0, goal differential -5
  • Oilers in October 2019: 2-0-0, goal differential +2

The Oilers have a chance to break through and create a new dawn by winning tonight. In spite of having the world’s best player, Edmonton hasn’t started a season 3-0-0 during the McDavid years. It could happen tonight.

WHAT TO EXPECT FROM OCTOBER

  • At home to: Vancouver, Los Angeles (Expected: 1-1-0) (Actual 2-0-0)
  • On the road to: NYI, NJD, NYR, CHI (Expected 2-1-1) 
  • At home to: Philadelphia, Detroit (Expected 1-1-0)
  • On the road to: Winnipeg, Minnesota (Expected 1-1-0)
  • At home to: Washington, Florida (Expected 1-1-0) 
  • On the road to: Detroit, Columbus (Expected 1-1-0)
  • Overall expected result: 7-6-1, 15 points in 14 games 
  • Current results: 2-0-0, 4 points after 2 games

Edmonton’s four game road trip is a one week run through New York and Chicago. The Oilers have been blown out a time or two in New York, but they mostly happen on early weekend games. That would be Saturday in Manhattan.

OILERS ROSTER

The Oilers may activate Riley Sheahan before tonight’s game, meaning someone has to move off the roster. Someone could go on IR, with Haas, Persson and Bear eligible for option without a waiver worry. They could also do non-roster waivers, or send down Brandon Manning today (I believe he cleared waivers October 1, so is still under that waiver umbrella). That’s risky, because any injury during the day to a defenseman would leave the team short on blue.

OILERS PENALTY KILL

Early season numbers for five-on-five are unreliable, so you can imagine how shakey the PK numbers are this time of year. However, I think time on ice is always a good place to start. Here are the forwards, this is sorted by total ice time over two games, with TOI per game (in brackets):

  1. Leon Draisaitl 5:33 (2:46)
  2. Jujhar Khaira 4:25 (2:12)
  3. Nuge 4:10 (2:05)
  4. Markus Granlund 3:36 (1:48)
  5. Colby Cave 2:36 (1:18)
  6. Josh Archibald 2:33 (2:33)
  7. Patrick Russell 1:40 (1:40)

Archibald and Russell played one game, the other five played two. The only GA allowed by the PK was the broken stick Doughty goal, forwards were Khaira and Nuge. Archibald’s contribution in this area was large in game one. We can see the importance of getting Riley Sheahan back in the lineup, that Draisaitl total is significant. Here’s the blue:

  1. Oscar Klefbom 8:37 (4:18)
  2. Kris Russell 7:52 (3:56)
  3. Darnell Nurse 4:49 (2:25)
  4. Adam Larsson 3:31 (3:31)
  5. Ethan Bear 0:57 (0:57)

Nurse and Klefbom were on the ice for the Doughty goal, Nurse being a better door than window (he also redeemed himself by scoring the tying goal minutes later). Larsson’s absence is a big damned deal, interesting the team moved Bear into the rotation over Matt Benning.

ILYA KONOVALOV

The man has been up and down this year. He had a big game on the weekend, stopping 31 of 32 against Avangard Sunday. In his strong games, Konovalov has SP’s of 100, 100, 92.3 and 96.9. In his poor outings? 85.7, 86.2, 78.6 and 81.8. He is now at .899 and appears to be digging out from the very difficult start.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

We roll into the studio with our Beatle wigs and leather jackets at 10 this morning, TSN1260. Jonathan Willis from The Athletic will guide us through the Oilers-Islanders preview and Andrew Peard will update the Oil Kings road trip. Plenty of football and baseball talk, too. 10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

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  1. Pouzar says:

    Good stick by Persson and again by Benning.

  2. OriginalPouzar says:

    Great defence by Persson on Barzal.

  3. BONE207 says:

    hunter1909: As a matter of fact I spent 6 very happy months in Calgary, but that was another century ago.

    Hunter…as an aside, I went to your site. Fyi, you have a couple of typos on the rules page. You, know…rules are rules.

  4. Munny says:

    Bit of a rough shift by Hemsky in his own end.

  5. pts2pndr says:

    Maybe we should all send the Flames a thank you card for Neal.😎

  6. OriginalPouzar says:

    Solid start to the third but I’d feel more comfortable with one more Oiler goal.

    We will be SH soon I would think.

    Momentum is real in hockey.

  7. Munny says:

    That 3rd line is like three terriers on the puck.

  8. OriginalPouzar says:

    Pressure shift by the Isles but the puck never made it anywhere close to the inside let alone the net.

  9. BONE207 says:

    Fuck Neal….wtf.

  10. Gerta Rauss says:

    We want 8..!

  11. OriginalPouzar says:

    That would be four for Neal – assist for Jurco.

  12. drglen says:

    NEEAAAALLLLL !

  13. hunter1909 says:

    5-1

    LUCIC!! BABY!!!

  14. Dr. Taboggan says:

    Neal for mayor!

  15. Munny says:

    FOOOOUUUUURRRRR

  16. v4ance says:

    15 to go! Give them the 3rd!

  17. Sierra says:

    hunter1909,

    Some shady characters hanging around the French Maid in the 80s?

  18. Nit64 says:

    $100K!!!

  19. jake70 says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Solid start to the third but I’d feel more comfortable with one more Oiler goal.

    We will be SH soon I would think.

    Momentum is real in hockey.

    Agreed. Has the feel of a game that can turn quickly against Oilers.

  20. Ivan says:

    Someone is starting to sweat at Sobey’s! Go Neal!

  21. Sierra says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    How you feel’n now?

  22. drglen says:

    Dr. Taboggan:
    Neal for mayor!

    Let’s call this day “James Neal Day” ! from now and forward.

  23. Munny says:

    This team has needed a Reggie Leach for so long… I’m nearly in tears watching this.

  24. Pouzar says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    That would be four for Neal – assist for Jurco.

    That was a nice play by Jurco. Man I love his skill.

  25. hunter1909 says:

    Sierra:
    hunter1909,

    Some shady characters hanging around the French Maid in the 80s?

    No idea I was working construction I was a good boy for the most part just work work and save money to get the fuck out of Calgary!

  26. Ivan says:

    Nope. It’s Save On now!

  27. Sierra says:

    Danuta will win 100k. Fantastic.

  28. striatic says:

    drglen,

    Every October 8th around 7pm MST we celebrate by laughing in the general direction of Calgary, Alberta?

  29. Dr. Taboggan says:

    Eberle’s one-timer looks great!

  30. OriginalPouzar says:

    Khaira and Sheahan ever having an excellent PK shift. Geezus

  31. Munny says:

    hunter1909: No idea I was working construction

    Never in a million years did I ever expect one of your sentences to start with this…

  32. Sierra says:

    hunter1909: No idea I was working construction I was a good boy for the most part just work work and save money to get the fuck out of Calgary!

    Well, that and frequently hanging out in restaurants that apparently had fights break out.

  33. Nailer Yakumoto says:

    What is the German word for when things finally seem to have turned a corner, but you’re still filled with angst?

  34. BONE207 says:

    hunter1909: Back during the last century when I lived in Calgary for 6 months I’d often be sitting in say a restaurantwhere a pair of maniacs might come flying through the kitchen doors engaged in an epic fight. That sort of thing was reasonably common to see. How are things nowdays?

    Was that when Miss Kitty ran the bordello upstairs & Festus would come in & quench his thirst with some cold sarsaparilla?

    Those were good times. Wish someone would have oiled the saloon door hinges…😥

  35. striatic says:

    Neal has already eclipsed Lucic’s goals total from the entirety of last season, so it’s all gravy from here, right?

  36. KSC10032 says:

    We just tuned in via the SN Oilers channel on Shaw in Edmonton (209).

    The video and audio quality is atrocious. Is anyone else having this problem, or is it localized?

    Th upside is no Principe.

  37. Pouzar says:

    Haas is always down deep in his own zone. These early season injuries/sickness have given him a chance to make an impression…good for him.

  38. hunter1909 says:

    BONE207: Was that when Miss Kitty ran the bordello upstairs & Festus would come in & quench his thirst with some cold sarsaparilla?

    Those were good times. Wish someone would have oiled the saloon door hinges…

    I can only surmise you’re one of those gawdawful “millenials” but back in the day Alberta was a rough tough place. I have several stories which might make you run to the toilet, if only you were to enquire lol

  39. Munny says:

    Nailer Yakumoto,

    Kummerspeck.

  40. OriginalPouzar says:

    Sierra:
    OriginalPouzar,

    How you feel’n now?

    Pretty good now – more comfortable and, for some reason, quite happy…..

  41. khildahl says:

    Nailer Yakumoto:
    What is the German word for when things finally seem to have turned a corner, but you’re still filled with angst?

    The only German word I care about right now is “Oktoberfest”.

  42. OriginalPouzar says:

    Pouzar: That was a nice play by Jurco. Man I love his skill.

    It was noticeable since the first game he played in exhibition, wasn’t it?

    Kudos on management for keeping him over Gagner – that’s a tough assignment of Sam and not something previous management would have done.

  43. striatic says:

    KSC10032: Th upside is no Principe.

    HOW DARE YOU.

    Gene Principe is a municipal treasure.

  44. Professor Q says:

    This 4th goal makes up for the missed hat trick of the last game.

    So he really has 2 hat tricks in a row. 😉

  45. OmJo says:

    Part of me wants to be cautious.

    Part of me wants to shout out…

    JAMES NEAL IS FUCKING BACK!!!!!!

  46. Professor Q says:

    khildahl: The only German word I care about right now is “Oktoberfest”.

    Now, now, don’t be such a Bratwurst.

  47. jp says:

    v4ance:
    15 to go!Give them the 3rd!

    Well, he still needs to outscore Lucic by 10 😉

  48. OriginalPouzar says:

    khildahl: The only German word I care about right now is “Oktoberfest”.

    Wife spent 5 days there just a couple weeks ago.

  49. Sierra says:

    Granlund’s man open at the side of the net and scores.

  50. BONE207 says:

    hunter1909: I can only surmise you’re one of those gawdawful “millenials” but back in the day Alberta was a rough tough place. I have several stories which might make you run to the toilet, if only you were to enquire lol

    Well my millenial ass will inquire…tell me. I have my shoes on…ha

  51. OriginalPouzar says:

    That was a nice goal.

    A real shame too – after how good Khaira/Sheahan/Russell have been all game, they get a minus 1.

  52. Pouzar says:

    OriginalPouzar: It was noticeable since the first game he played in exhibition, wasn’t it?

    Absolutely.

  53. Munny says:

    And Neal with a key defensive play to relieve the pressure. Fuck they might actually give him First Star tonight.

  54. hunter1909 says:

    BONE207: Well my millenial ass will inquire…tell me. I have my shoes on…ha

    Honestly I hold no grudges against the “younger generation”. Y’all have a hard enough time as things stand. If i were you I’d lobby for the guillotining of Baby Boomers.

  55. drglen says:

    ah…. … did I open the champaigne too soon?

  56. Gerta Rauss says:

    That should be waived off but this is the NHL after all

  57. hunter1909 says:

    Now everyone knows why I prefer a 4 goal lead…

  58. OriginalPouzar says:

    That was definitely a kick and he didn’t touch it after.

  59. OmJo says:

    The plan is to make it a 2 goal game so Neal can score his 5th on the empty net.

    Yeah, that’s it.

  60. Munny says:

    Koski has a case.

  61. Professor Q says:

    How was that not an intentional kick?

  62. drglen says:

    hunter1909:
    Now everyone knows why I prefer a 4 goal lead…

    lol I hear ya!

  63. BONE207 says:

    Munny:
    And Neal with a key defensive play to relieve the pressure. Fuck they might actually give him First Star tonight.

    What??? Koski rocking a .920 save percentage. Can’t see it…

  64. drglen says:

    OmJo:
    The plan is to make it a 2 goal game so Neal can score his 5th on the empty net.

    Yeah, that’s it.

    lol

  65. OriginalPouzar says:

    I would say that, tonight, Sheahan >>>>> Brassard!

  66. OriginalPouzar says:

    Not sure that McDavid/Drai need to play with 2 minutes left and a 3 goal lead…..

  67. Side says:

    The refs got a call right that benefitted the Oilers, James Neal has 4 goals and Oilers are about to beat the Islanders on their home ice? This has to be a weird dream..

  68. BONE207 says:

    hunter1909: Honestly I hold no grudges against the “younger generation”. Y’all have a hard enough time as things stand. If i were you I’d lobby for the guillotining of Baby Boomers.

    Boomers just finished a war or 2. I give them a pass. It’s that damn X generation who really effed things up. Drinking & driving & bra burning shenanigans.

  69. drglen says:

    oilers win! ( now over to baseball)

  70. jake70 says:

    well done, a normal NHL win

  71. Munny says:

    We were actually a decent team at the start of last year till the defensive injuries started piling up.

    We’re surviving the Larsson injury a lot better than we did the Klefbom.

  72. BONE207 says:

    Drai was noticably lazy tonight. He’s already looking at Octoberfest in Manhattan.

  73. Suntory Hanzo says:

    That was fun! Seems like all parties were contributing. Depth. Balance?? Getting there?

  74. rickithebear says:

    Pouzar: That was a nice play by Jurco. Man I love his skill.

    But benson is better!😇

  75. BONE207 says:

    Looks like LA is kicking Calgary ass. 13-1 in shots so far. 1-0 LA

  76. Pouzar says:

    Fancies won’t tell the story. Sheahan and that line were brutes out there.

  77. Pouzar says:

    Neal has a league-leading six goals on the season, after scoring 7 in 63 games last year.

  78. Professor Q says:

    BONE207:
    Drai was noticably lazy tonight. He’s already looking at Octoberfest in Manhattan.

    How do you think he puts all that mustard onto his shots?

  79. Ryan says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    I would say that, tonight, Sheahan >>>>> Brassard!

    At least the loss of billable hours tonight was worth it for you!

    Draisatl played a paltry 21:52.

    My boy, Bear played 16:22 which was third after a Nurse and KBomb.

    15:03 from Sheahan! 58.3 FO%

  80. Nit64 says:

    Pouzar:
    Neal has a league-leading six goals on the season, after scoring 7 in 63 games last year.

    Good thing Flames never tried him on the PP.

  81. BONE207 says:

    Professor Q: How do you think he puts all that mustard onto his shots?

    After he twists his opponents into pretzels, he has time to release his Gustav cannon.

  82. Bling says:

    Sheahan line was incredible.

    Khaira is quite the playmaker. Great vision out there.

    There was a sequence where Bear retrieved a puck, circled the net, and faked the reverse to throw off the forechecker. Puck north. Cheeky play. He is good.

  83. digger50 says:

    BONE207:
    Drai was noticably lazy tonight. He’s already looking at Octoberfest in Manhattan.

    Yeah, and how many hits did Neal get anyway? He’s not going to be top ten in the league for hits at this rate.

  84. tileguy says:

    OriginalPouzar: Wife spent 5 days there just a couple weeks ago.

    Did she get a litttle schnitzel?

  85. Walter Gretzkys Neighbour says:

    Remarkable absence of harpers hair. Coincidence?

  86. Side says:

    James Neal has 6 times more goals than Lucic has shots on net this season.

  87. Ryan says:

    Munny:
    And Neal with a key defensive play to relieve the pressure. Fuck they might actually give him First Star tonight.

    He’s the real deal.

    Kenny Holland is looking like a genius juxtaposed with Chiarelli.

  88. Pouzar says:

    Hockey Night in Canada
    @hockeynight
    ·
    9m
    Goals in the 2019/20 season:
    James Neal – 6
    Calgary Flames – 6

  89. who says:

    Sierra:
    Granlund’s man open at the side of the net and scores.

    That goal was on Nygarrd. Lost his man on the switch at the right point.

  90. Munny says:

    Pouzar: Sheahan and that line were brutes out there.

    I wonder if they sub Chiasson onto that line in place of Russell, they can get some goals?

  91. Side says:

    Walter Gretzkys Neighbour:
    Remarkable absence of harpers hair. Coincidence?

    He’s doing soul searching to see if he wants to hop bandwagons again.

  92. OriginalPouzar says:

    flames down 2-0 to the kings after one and have been outshot 18-2.

  93. Paulie says:

    How did Persson look tonight?

  94. Munny says:

    So now the opposing coach has to wonder about matching up against Connor and Drai, or Nuge and a 6 goal scorer.

    The Sheahan line ate the pickins for lunch till they had to face the Barzal line more in the 3rd.

    And as Haas becomes more comfortable, Persson & Nygard too, Chiasson’s health returns, Bear gets reps…

  95. Reja says:

    That game reminded me of the Oilers in the eighties great team effort. Russell was a buzz saw never quit on the play that line played great.

  96. Munny says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    flames down 2-0 to the kings after one and have been outshot 18-2.

    Does Lucic have a goal? I mean for LA?

  97. Rebillled says:

    James Neal leading the league in scoring and having more goals than the Flames combined is

    A FACT!

    GO KINGS!(tonight)

  98. Reja says:

    I called a 5-2 Oiler win with Connor getting the hat l messed up.

  99. Pouzar says:

    Munny: I wonder if they sub Chiasson onto that line in place of Russell, they can get some goals?

    Sounds like they could yeah. Or Archibald and Chiasson with Nygard/Haas.

  100. who says:

    Paulie:
    How did Persson look tonight?

    Not bad
    Couple of nice plays but I’m not sold yet. Hard to find an Oiler who had a bad game.
    I am genuinely curious when they hand PP1 over to Bear. He already looks to have more vision, and patience with the puck, than Klefbom or Nurse.
    It would also free up Klefbom and Nurse to play more 5×5 and on the penalty kill. They are far more suited to play the heavy minutes than the smaller, slower Bear.
    Conversely, PP time also plays into Bears better puck skills and higher offensive IQ.
    Seems like a no brainer to me.

  101. OriginalPouzar says:

    Assuming Archibald and Chiasson are both healthy for Thursday and they need to make a roster adjustment to activate Archie, its got to be Cave. From accounts, Tippett really liked Russell before and was worried about losing him (I couldn’t see him being claimed) but that line was awesome tonight.

    I don’t know how to get both those guys in to the lineup though after tonight – Granlund, sure, but who else could possibly be taken out after tonight? I guess one of Nygard or Haas? They need Haas to play center so Nygard? Tough to do that, he’s playing fine and tenacious out there.

  102. drglen says:

    Russell (pat) was good tonight.

    Sheehan line was good. you see the grit now. Khaira surpised with his possesiion and strenght… now if we can get a shot too that would be be gravy. Good line.

    Perrson.. did not notice so probably a good thing.

    Kassian really strong game. Nuge also strong game but not sure any points came from the line.

    They continue to shoot high glove on Kosk… which concerns me.. but I think he stopped a bunch of dangerous shots through traffic ( or did they just miss…. I think he stopped them)>. but you also notice many times where you now think… hey goalie go get and play that puck.. get it going forward.

    Strong game for bear in my opinion.

  103. OriginalPouzar says:

    Pouzar:
    Fancies won’t tell the story. Sheahan and that line were brutes out there.

    Best line of the night for me.

  104. Rebillled says:

    Remember when Calgary resigned their GM after Neal scored 2?

    Hopefully he gets a free car after this 4 goaler!

    Go Dummies!

  105. Pouzar says:

    OriginalPouzar,

    I would leave Russell in.
    Granlund out for Chiasson.

  106. OriginalPouzar says:

    Munny: I wonder if they sub Chiasson onto that line in place of Russell, they can get some goals?

    I can’t imagine Tippett touching that line – it was unreal good.

  107. who says:

    drglen:
    Russell (pat) was good tonight.

    Sheehan line was good.you see the grit now.Khaira surpised with his possesiion and strenght… now if we can get a shot too that would be be gravy.Good line.

    Perrson.. did not notice so probably a good thing.

    Kassian really strong game. Nuge also strong game but not sure any points came from the line.

    They continue to shoot high glove on Kosk… which concerns me.. but I think he stopped a bunch of dangerous shots through traffic ( or did they just miss…. I think he stopped them)>.but you also notice many times where you now think… hey goalie go get and play that puck.. get it going forward.

    Strong game for bear in my opinion.

    Why are you surprised by Khairas possession and strength?
    Also, I don’t think Kassian has done much since game 1. Other than scoring 2 goals.

  108. Pouzar says:

    NJ struggling and will be playing the 2nd of a back to back Thurs.
    Big time opportunity here.

  109. marty62 says:

    3-0 Kings Flames 0 for 3 on pp

  110. Ryan says:

    khildahl: The only German word I care about right now is “Oktoberfest”.

    “schadenfreude” is the trendy German word which was popularized by the unauthorized Elon Musk biography.

  111. Pouzar says:

    Ken Campbell
    @THNKenCampbell
    ·
    3m
    After watching James Neal score four goals tonight, Calgary fans have to be thrilled seeing Milan Lucic get into a meaningless fight after taking a perfectly clean hit.

    Eric Francis
    @EricFrancis
    Lucic fighting big MacDermid. Doing what he was brought in to do on a night the Flames are completely disengaged. Outshot 24-5 and down 3-0

  112. Walter Gretzkys Neighbour says:

    Purely by eye didn’t love Granlund. Sheahan, Khaira were amazing. First time in memory watching a line dominate possession, win puck battles and frustrate opposition.

    I know everyone knows this but man is McDavid fast and dangerous!

    Also I remember Neal from his OHL days – he was always tough to play against . Love to see him performing so far this year.

    And finally – fuck the Flames, hate those guys!

  113. franksterra says:

    Ryan,

    Ooof.
    The word’s use precedes and surpasses this by a very large span.

  114. Pretendergast says:

    Sheahan: 2:13 on PK
    Draisaitl : 0:42

    Now THAT’S a number ya like to see.
    The 5 on 5 minutes were also pretty even across all lines.
    Saves the Ferrari’s for more important minutes.

  115. Dr. Taboggan says:

    Rieder-2

  116. Abbeef says:

    who: Not bad
    Couple of nice plays but I’m not sold yet. Hard to find an Oiler who had a bad game.
    I am genuinely curious when they hand PP1 over to Bear. He already looks to have more vision, and patience with the puck, than Klefbom or Nurse.
    It would also free up Klefbom and Nurse to play more 5×5 and on the penalty kill. They are far more suited to play the heavy minutes than the smaller,slower Bear.
    Conversely, PP time also plays into Bears better puck skillsand higher offensive IQ.
    Seems like a no brainer to me.

    Agreed 100%. Bear is so patient and smooth with the puck.

  117. marty62 says:

    Whats with the San Jose Sharks this year, getting pasted again…. Thye shouldnt have let “Little Joe”
    Pavelski walk….

  118. OriginalPouzar says:

    Pretendergast:
    Sheahan: 2:13 on PK
    Draisaitl : 0:42

    Now THAT’S a number ya like to see.
    The 5 on 5 minutes were also pretty even across all lines.
    Saves the Ferrari’s for more important minutes.

    That is massively important.

    Sheahan was also 58% on the dot tonight, i believe.

  119. Profit says:

    Well that was fun. And even more fun will be the Real Deal conversations with the Flames fans in my office tomorrow!

  120. oilersfan says:

    How did lucic do in the fight?

    I hate to say this but it may have sparked the flames come back

    If they end up winning that will be narrative with the flames fan boy narrative tomorrow

  121. HugThePost says:

    Is it safe to like the Oilers again?

  122. drglen says:

    who: Why are you surprised by Khairas possession and strength?
    Also, I don’t think Kassian has done much since game 1. Other than scoring 2 goals.

    lots of good checks and keeps.. good possession digging.

  123. JimmyV1965 says:

    That was simply an incredible game tonight. I can’t remember the last time they played this well. Just wow!! If Bear somehow manages to stick and keep playing well in the top four, it will be the biggest internal addition to the team since McDavid. It will really boost the confidence of the kids on the farm too. Knowing their teammate has made the adjustment to the NHL.

  124. geowal says:

    Ryan: “schadenfreude” is the trendy German word which was popularized by the unauthorized Elon Musk biography.

    I’d argue it was popularized by Lisa Simpson

  125. jtblack says:

    HugThePost:
    Is it safe to like the Oilers again?

    Now now. Don’t get carried away. 😉

  126. jtblack says:

    I am gonna haave to Eat “Reverse Beets”.

    Said if Oilers make the Playoffs I would eat my hat.

    Very Early … but better to be 3-0 .. rather than …..

  127. OriginalPouzar says:

    How can the 3rd line be so dominant all game long, shift after shift after shift of offensive zone pressure, but be negative in possession metrics? Score effects (although they were good in the third as well) or just not directing pucks at the net?

  128. JimmyV1965 says:

    oilersfan:
    How did lucic do in the fight?

    I hate to say this but it may have sparked the flames come back

    If they end up winning that will be narrative with the flames fan boy narrative tomorrow

    The fight was basically a draw. He actually looks more engaged tonight than I recall at virtually any point last year. But those hands. There’s nothing left there offensively.

  129. Rebillled says:

    C”mon Kings!

  130. Rebillled says:

    Damnit!

  131. oilersfan says:

    I have never seen a team score an empty net goal more than the flames

    I believe last season they had 6 games where they tied the game with an empty net goal and one game they were down by 2. Tkachuk is like Ryan Smyth but dirtier and with a better shot. Gets most of his goals in the paint or tipping it in though.
    What are the chances they lose in OT?

  132. JamesL says:

    JimmyV1965:
    That was simply an incredible game tonight. I can’t remember the last time they played this well.Just wow!! If Bear somehow manages to stick and keep playing well in the top four, it will be the biggest internal addition to the team since McDavid. It will really boost the confidence of the kids on the farm too. Knowing their teammate has made the adjustment to the NHL.

    As I’m sure you know, rookie blue can look impressive over stretches, but falter as the season progresses. I want to believe that Bear is ready for a full season’s worth of NHL action, but, like you, I’m holding my breath! Great results so far; I hope he can sustain and that the Oilers can start trading some unnecessary parts sooner rather than later.

  133. oilersfan says:

    The flames come backs on home ice are absolutely crazy

    I hate them so much I even want Doughty (spits) to score on the PP here

  134. OriginalPouzar says:

    Unreal play by Tkachuk to tie it up but at least they lose in OT.

  135. oilersfan says:

    Woohoo at least they lost in OT

    Sucks they got the point though

    Doughty even scored 20 seconds after I posted that lol

  136. Rebillled says:

    oilersfan,

    There you go!

    Flames lose twice today!

  137. Munny says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    How can the 3rd line be so dominant all game long, shift after shift after shift of offensive zone pressure, but be negative in possession metrics? Score effects (although they were good in the third as well) or just not directing pucks at the net?

    Barzal line in the third, plus their Corgis don’t bark. They should switch Russell with Chiasson and Granny with Russell.

  138. GMB3 says:

    Noah Dobson will be the goods.

  139. GMB3 says:

    We have what look like two nice fourth lines, and at even strength our second line looks just okay. I do think the Oilers look like they support the puck better in all three zones and it’s nice to see a few more tape to tape passes from the blue.

    Looks like we are riding the PDO pony a bit and I will enjoy it while it lasts, but we are lacking skill up front. Damn shame we didn’t have someone a bit more bonafide than Jurco for that second line.

  140. dangilitis says:

    Not only did the Oilers smoke the Flames on the Lucic-Neal swap, but they also tricked them in preseason into thinking Reider can be redeemed.

  141. Sierra says:

    who: That goal was on Nygarrd. Lost his man on the switch at the right point.

    I missed that. I’ll have to rematch the sequence. Just saw Granlund late to the goal scorer.

  142. CallighenMan says:

    Harpers Hair: I’d wager he outscores Chiasson while sporting a cap hit of $700K.

    Even better, Marleau will probably outscore Ferland at 1/5 th the price.

  143. Sierra says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    How can the 3rd line be so dominant all game long, shift after shift after shift of offensive zone pressure, but be negative in possession metrics? Score effects (although they were good in the third as well) or just not directing pucks at the net?

    They didn’t generate shots and I recall them being hemmed into their end a few times.

  144. pts2pndr says:

    BONE207:
    Drai was noticably lazy tonight. He’s already looking at Octoberfest in Manhattan.

    Young un when Draisaitl needs to be the difference he answers the bell. Be grateful we have him on our team and stop the cheap shops, please!

  145. JimmyV1965 says:

    JamesL: As I’m sure you know, rookie blue can look impressive over stretches, but falter as the season progresses. I want to believe that Bear is ready for a full season’s worth of NHL action, but, like you, I’m holding my breath! Great results so far; I hope he can sustain and that the Oilers can start trading some unnecessary parts sooner rather than later.

    Oh ya. There’s miles to go for young Bear. Just crossing my fingers and hoping. But it does happen. Hope it happens for the Oil this time. If you look at the Islanders defence, their top four is all young, but even then, they’re 25 years old. Bear is still only 22. Who knows. Maybe defence actually becomes a strength for this team down the road.

  146. JimmyV1965 says:

    CallighenMan: Even better, Marleau will probably outscore Ferland at 1/5 th the price.

    I offered to bet HH that Reider wouldn’t score 10 goals this year. Crickets.

  147. rickithebear says:

    marty62:
    Whats with the San Jose Sharks this year, getting pasted again….Thye shouldnt have let “Little Joe”
    Pavelski walk….

    Karlsson:
    3 gm 59:19 ev min; 5.06 evga/60; 0.00 evg/60
    Burns
    4 gm 75:55 ev min; 3.95 evga/60; .79 evg/60
    Vlasic
    4 gm 64:24 ev min; 6.52 evga/60; 0.00 evg/60

  148. pts2pndr says:

    GMB3:
    We have what look like two nice fourth lines, and at even strength our second line looks just okay. I do think the Oilers look like they support the puck better in all three zones and it’s nice to see a few more tape to tape passes from the blue.

    Looks like we are riding the PDO pony a bit and I will enjoy it while it lasts, but we are lacking skill up front. Damn shame we didn’t have someone a bit more bonafide than Jurco for that second line.

    You need to chill.

  149. godot10 says:

    It’s a long way to #Tippettary. It’s a long way to go.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pddW-HeHAwo

  150. pts2pndr says:

    GMB3:
    We have what look like two nice fourth lines, and at even strength our second line looks just okay. I do think the Oilers look like they support the puck better in all three zones and it’s nice to see a few more tape to tape passes from the blue.

    Looks like we are riding the PDO pony a bit and I will enjoy it while it lasts, but we are lacking skill up front. Damn shame we didn’t have someone a bit more bonafide than Jurco for that second line.

    Why can’t you be happy with Jurco. Is it not possible that he is the real thing and is now healthy! Doesn’t the negativity drag you down. Be happy, enjoy the moment. Life is short.

  151. pts2pndr says:

    jtblack:
    I am gonna haave to Eat “Reverse Beets”.

    Said if Oilers make the Playoffs I would eat my hat.

    Very Early …but better to be 3-0 .. rather than …..

    Please tell me it is a straw hat.😇

  152. pts2pndr says:

    Profit:
    Well that was fun. And even more fun will be the Real Deal conversations with the Flames fans in my office tomorrow!

    That’s evil and I love it. 🤭

  153. YKOil says:

    Very happy. Icing on the cake is that the big 3 only played 20 mins or so (21 for Drai) this game – that is a sustainable number.

    Small sample size, still a big smile.

  154. Nobody says:

    pts2pndr: You need to chill.

    That’s rich coming from you.

    Really!

    You’re going to go with that!

    Ha ha ha!

  155. kgo says:

    OriginalPouzar:
    Unreal play by Tkachuk to tie it up but at least they lose in OT.

    It was nice, but clearly a High Stick…why wasn’t this reviewed and called back?

  156. Pescador says:

    marty62:
    Whats with the San Jose Sharks this year, getting pasted again….Thye shouldnt have let “Little Joe”
    Pavelski walk….

    It’s like the 3 L’s of business,
    To succeed in hockey you need the 3 G’s

  157. GMB3 says:

    pts2pndr: You need to chill.

    I am happy. Thrilled with the game tonight. Doesn’t stop me from being right. Just because I have an opinion on the team doesn’t change my happiness with the win.

    Have you tried just worrying about yourself? Maybe that’s a point you should ponder

  158. JimmyV1965 says:

    kgo: It was nice, but clearly a High Stick…why wasn’t this reviewed and called back?

    Genuine question. Why is it a high stick? He batted at the puck twice, which was actually an amazing feat of coordination. While the first swipe was clearly too high, when he knocked it into the net, it was clearly not a high stick.

  159. kgo says:

    JimmyV1965: Genuine question. Why is it a high stick? He batted at the puck twice, which was actually an amazing feat of coordination. While the first swipe was clearly too high, when he knocked it into the net, it was clearly not a high stick.

    The way I understand the rule….When he batted it the first time, it’s a delayed high stick….linesman’s arm goes up….if the opposing team is next to touch the puck the arm goes down and play continues….when tkatchuk touched the puck the 2nd time the play should have been blown dead

  160. kgo says:

    I just checked the TOIs for the flames vs kings game tonight….Lucic got more PP TOI than Johnny and Shawnny

  161. SwedishPoster says:

    YKOil:
    Very happy.Icing on the cake is that the big 3 only played 20 mins or so (21 for Drai) this game – that is a sustainable number.

    Small sample size, still a big smile.

    And around 6 of those minutes on the PP which is less draining.

    By no means perfect but there seems to be more guys who can create stuff this season. Out of McDrai they probably won’t be factors every night but between them there should be some contribution in the good end most games.

    All four of Holland’s longshots Nygård, Jurco, Haas, Persson(not signed by him but given a clear opportunity) looks like could at very least be ok NHLers and all if them with some ability to create stuff beyond just meat and potatoes survival hockey. Early days and they are still in the maximum focus portion of their stay, the truth will reveal itself once the grind sets in and you need to show well during your 80% nights. Bear is in a similar situation. However between the euro signings and Neal trade Holland looks real clever thus far. I mean with the longshot guys you probably hope for maybe two out of four being NHL mainstays and it’s a good haul. We’ll see down the line but early signs are good.

    Also great that Koskinen had solid start, didn’t have to make a lot of massive saves but looked like he was positioning well and couldn’t do much on the goals.

    And Neal! His shot is just so quick and accurate it’s amazing to watch, makes it look easy. Hope they show video of him to the guys in Bako, a guy like Maksimov could really benefit from seeing him up close.

  162. GMB3 says:

    SwedishPoster,

    Any info on Broberg? If it was posted recently I’ll go take a look

  163. ArmchairGM says:

    Munny: I wonder if they sub Chiasson onto that line in place of Russell, they can get some goals?

    Chiasson doesn’t fit their MO – I was thinking that Yamamoto would be a perfect fit.

  164. ArmchairGM says:

    Paulie:
    How did Persson look tonight?

    He made some good plays, he’s keeping his head above water at the moment. To me Ethan Bear is much more impressive, I love how smart he is with body positioning defensively. He is calm but quick moving the puck, too. Persson’s stride looks a little awkward.

  165. ArmchairGM says:

    drglen: Nuge also strong game but not sure any points came from the line.

    Two goals for, none against.

  166. ArmchairGM says:

    marty62:
    Whats with the San Jose Sharks this year, getting pasted again….Thye shouldnt have let “Little Joe”
    Pavelski walk….

    The Pacific is there for the taking…

  167. Yeti says:

    All this winning is making me feel uneasy. After the past decade of darkness, imposter syndrome is deeply embedded in my Oiler psyche. I no longer know how to be happy.

  168. ArmchairGM says:

    Sierra: I missed that. I’ll have to rematch the sequence. Just saw Granlund late to the goal scorer.

    Both carry some blame.

  169. ArmchairGM says:

    kgo: It was nice, but clearly a High Stick…why wasn’t this reviewed and called back?

    Because Tkachuk.

  170. Reja says:

    Yeti:
    All this winning is making me feel uneasy. After the past decade of darkness, imposter syndrome is deeply embedded in my Oiler psyche. I no longer know how to be happy.

    These wins are making me thirsty.

  171. Pouzar says:

    Jurco looked great to me. Led the fancies and made some slick high IQ offensive plays I thought.
    One game, 82 game grind, all that jazz….we wait.

  172. ArmchairGM says:

    JimmyV1965: Genuine question. Why is it a high stick? He batted at the puck twice, which was actually an amazing feat of coordination. While the first swipe was clearly too high, when he knocked it into the net, it was clearly not a high stick.

    When you play the puck, your stick must be below your shoulders. When you shoot the puck, your stick must be below the crossbar. With Tkachuk’s 1st touch, his stick was clearly above his shoulders, in violation of the first rule. His shot was not in violation of the second rule but play should have been whistled dead before that due to him playing the puck with a high stick.

    That’s my understanding anyhow.

  173. Reja says:

    kgo: The way I understand the rule….When he batted it the first time, it’s a delayed high stick….linesman’s arm goes up….if the opposing team is next to touch the puck the arm goes down and play continues….when tkatchuk touched the puck the 2nd time the play should have been blown dead

    I’m sure that’s the rule for at least 60 years. Maybe the first high stick is not reviewable only the second one that results in the goal or maybe Toronto was still in mourning after losing 2 in a row and they’re still drunk.

  174. ArmchairGM says:

    pts2pndr: Young un when Draisaitlneeds to be the difference he answers the bell. Be grateful we have him on our team and stop the cheap shops, please!

    I can’t think of 5 players in the league that I would trade Draisaitl for.

  175. OriginalPouzar says:

    JimmyV: Genuine question. Why is it a high stick? He batted at the puck twice, which was actually an amazing feat of coordination. While the first swipe was clearly too high, when he knocked it into the net, it was clearly not a high stick.

    The first time he whacked it was a high stick so it should have been blown down when he touched it next, no?

  176. McNuge93 says:

    Reja: I’m sure that’s the rule for at least 60 years. Maybe the first high stick is not reviewable only the second one that results in the goal or maybe Toronto was still in mourning after losing 2 in a row and they’restill drunk.

    I think you are probably right about that, the first touch was not reviewable.

  177. Pescador says:

    Yeti:
    All this winning is making me feel uneasy. After the past decade of darkness, imposter syndrome is deeply embedded in my Oiler psyche. I no longer know how to be happy.

    Maybe it has something to do with the forever winter in which you currently reside.
    Take a vacation some place warm, & try not to be so abominable

  178. Pescador says:

    Pouzar:
    Jurco looked great to me. Led the fancies and made some slick high IQ offensive plays I thought.
    One game, 82 game grind, all that jazz….we wait.

    He looks like he belongs in the top 6,
    Which is just great all by itself.
    He makes smart plays & creates offensive sorties.
    Nicholson should promote that Ken Holland guy to GM

  179. Lowetide says:

    New for The Athletic: Oilers are 3-0 and James Neal is scoring at will. Meanwhile, several unproven players earning NHL jobs and increasing roster quality and depth. No balance photo, but some traction early.

    https://theathletic.com/1275672/2019/10/09/oilers-winning-games-several-unproven-players-earning-nhl-jobs/

  180. Reja says:

    If Lucic has to fight every second game to be relevant he’s going to be pretty beat up come Christmas time.

  181. Sierra says:

    ArmchairGM: Chiasson doesn’t fit their MO – I was thinking that Yamamoto would be a perfect fit.

    You’ll have to explain this

  182. JimmyV1965 says:

    kgo: The way I understand the rule….When he batted it the first time, it’s a delayed high stick….linesman’s arm goes up….if the opposing team is next to touch the puck the arm goes down and play continues….when tkatchuk touched the puck the 2nd time the play should have been blown dead

    You’re right of course. Didn’t think of that. Flames steal a point.

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