Four Strong Winds

by Lowetide

There’s a lot we don’t know about Ken Holland, including his grades on Oilers, Condors and the organization’s distant bells. It’s safe to say we’re going to see more changes at the deadline, in spring and then summer, and that some of the names we anticipate remaining will be going, plus vice versa.

On a day when we’re many days from the next Oilers game, this is an ideal time to have that conversation. Consider it hockey’s version of a rain delay.

THE ATHLETIC!

The Athletic Edmonton features a fabulous cluster of stories (some linked below, some on the site). Great perspective from a ridiculous group of writers and analysts. Proud to be part of The Athletic, less than two coffees a month offer here. 

  • New Lowetide: Kailer Yamamoto gives Oilers a midseason spark, one of the best in team history
  • New Lowetide: With the Oilers’ minor-league goaltending not good enough, Ilya Konovalov might be the answer
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Josh Archibald, Riley Sheahan show the upward trend of Ken Holland’s offseason moves for the Oilers
  • Lowetide: Post-Christmas performance spike has Evan Bouchard pushing for an NHL job with the Oilers
  • Lowetide:  Central Scouting’s midseason list offers Oilers some strong draft options
  • Jonathan Willis: The Oilers’ road forward — and perhaps to a Stanley Cup — requires trusting the kids on defence
  • Jonathan Willis: Oilers make a smart two-year bet on Caleb Jones, who has done nothing but improve
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: 3 things from the latest Oilers win: A lacrosse goal, Mike Smith’s resurgence and Connor McDavid’s new linemate
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: A defiant Zack Kassian issues his latest salvo against Matthew Tkachuk: ‘He messed with the wrong guy’
  • Lowetide: Dave Tippett’s deployment of Oilers defencemen indicates Kris Russell is vulnerable to trade
  • Jonathan Willis: Oilers Notebook: Jujhar Khaira’s future, Caleb Jones’ adaptation to NHL speed
  • Lowetide: Projecting William Lagesson’s future with the Edmonton Oilers
  • Jonathan Willis: Kailer Yamamoto has impressed the Oilers and especially star linemate Leon Draisaitl
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: 10 bold predictions for the Edmonton Oilers in 2020
  • Jonathan Willis: Inside a coach’s impact: How Dave Tippett gets the most out of the Oilers’ players
  • Daniel Nugent-Bowman: Deciding what to do with Darnell Nurse, Mike Smith, Tyler Benson and Evan Bouchard
  • LowetideKen Holland’s targets for his first trade deadline with the Oilers.
  • Lowetide: Ken Holland’s trade deadline options for the Oilers
  • Jonathan Willis: Zack Kassian’s breakout performance presents Oilers GM Ken Holland with a familiar dilemma
  • Lowetide: Complete Oilers top 20 prospects list, winter 2019

A CONVERSATION

I knew you’d call. Are they in last? No, tied for second in the Pacific at this time.

Huh. Are they any good without McDavid? About the same as last year, the big difference this season is both special teams and in the last eight games something close to a second line.

How good is McDavid ON? Improved compared to last season. In 2018-19, McDavid was 77-75 (+2) on ice goal differential five on five. This year, he is 48-42 (+6). He was +20 in 2017-18, so there’s lot of room to grow once the club can find him top drawer linemates on both sides. McDavid’s career peak is 2016-17, when he was 77-47, +30.

How bad are things with McDavid off the ice? So far this year, Edmonton is 95-110 (-15) at five on five. Without McDavid, the number is 47-68 (-21) and Edmonton is getting 40.9 percent of the goal share without 97 on the ice. Last year, the Oilers were 69-103 (-34), delivering a goal share of 40.1.

Is there any good news? Yes. I think so. I like to use centers as an indicator for each line and five on five goal differential as the measure. Remember, this team has been unable to find two outscoring lines. As I see the numbers, the C’s are McDavid (48-42, +6), Ryan Nugent-Hopkins (22-20, +2), Riley Sheahan (12-22, -10), Gaetan Haas (11-13, -2), Leon Draisaitl (2-11, -9), Colby Cave (1-2, -1), Markus Granlund (0-1, -1). I got Leon’s number by isolating him from both Nuge and McDavid via NST.

You said there was good news. Yes, the last eight games saw coach Tippett run Nuge-Draisaitl-Kailer Yamamoto and they’re about 50 percent shot share and on a goal scoring heater. Early days, and we’ll have to see, but the line has great curb appeal. Two outscoring lines would be progress.

Who are McDavid’s linemates? At the beginning of the year it was Draisaitl-Kassian but the team checked down to Neal-Kassian and in the last two games Neal-Archibald. They’re going to need another winger of course, whether that comes at the deadline or this summer. Said player may also be on the farm or in Europe.

How is Tippett running the forwards versus elites? Among regulars, there are three men who have played 200+ minutes against elites (97, 29, Kassian). Nuge and Neal have played 185+ minutes, and Jujhar Khaira has played over 140 minutes (representing 31.1 percent of his overall time). This is all five on five and all courtesy PuckIQ. Among non-regulars, Colby Cave and Kailer Yamamoto spent 35 percent of overall time against elites. McDavid is the star in possession, rel and goal differential (22-12) against elites. Nuge and Khaira have struggled here relative to teammates.

When are they calling up Benson? That brings us back to Holland’s evaluation. It may differ from Peter Chiarelli, the scouting staff and scouting directors. After the AS break, we may see Benson recalled as a pre-deadline audition. If that doesn’t happen, he would emerge as a player who might grade out lower for Holland. My ‘reasonable expectations‘ before the season suggested Benson and Cooper Marody would be here by now. That may be a tell.

Who is Tippett trusting on defence? That might be the biggest story of the year, in terms of Oilers surprises. Four men are spending over 32 percent of their five on five time against elites: Ethan Bear (36.4), Darnell Nurse (36.0), Adam Larsson (34.1) and Oscar Klefbom (32.3) are being asked to play in the heart of the game. In terms of performance relative to teammates, the top performers are Nurse, Larsson and Bear (this is all through the miracle and wonder of Puck IQ).

What are the pairings? Again against elite, Nurse-Bear have played 270 minutes and have a DFF percentage (that’s smart-Corsi, with shots against graded on danger and range) of 45.60 and a ‘rel’ of +3.7. The pair has outscored elites 16-13, but I need to mention both defenders have played over 170 minutes with Connor McDavid.

Second pairing? Klefbom-Larsson have been together for 113 minutes, Larsson missing much of the first half of the season. They boast a 47.70 DFF and a ‘rel’ of +3.4. The duo has outscored elite opponents 5-2, Klefbom playing 90 minutes with McDavid and Larsson 26. I still think this is the top pairing, your mileage may vary.

Goaltending? It has held through the season’s first half but lots of wobble in between the good times. Mike Smith’s save percentages by month: .919, .895, .828, .924. That’s Jekyll and Hyde territory. Mikko Koskinen by month: .922, .918, .901 and .879. The January total is misleading for Koskinen it’s just one game.

Who are Ken Holland’s keepers? Well that’s the point, beyond McDavid and Draisaitl (who he referred to as ‘Connor and Leon’ in his interview with Mark Spector) we can’t say for certain. He values Philip Broberg and Raphael Lavoie because he was part of the team drafting in 2019. Does he put the same value on Evan Bouchard and Tyler Benson as the previous admin? I will say yes, but one never knows about these things and Holland’s grades will differ from the past dollar sign placed on the muscle.

What the hell does that mean? It’s an old baseball book about scouting. Fabulous. It is here.

Who do you think Holland values? I think speed is a priority, so we’ll need to view prospects and acquisitions through that lens. I would guess that men like Joakim Nygard and Josh Archibald have a better chance of getting re-signed than slower folk. I would also guess that Bouchard will be valued by the organization because of his exceptional skill, but may be brought along slowly, beginning third pair in the NHL. As for Benson and Marody, same thing. Arrive, prove, move up. I don’t see an Ethan Bear emergence for any of them to be honest.

What a load of hooey. You asked my opinion and that’s it. I also think the speed issue could impact Adam Larsson’s future with the team.

Are you enjoying The Athletic? There are many awesome writers there, and you are there as well. I absolutely love it, proud to be writing with Jonathan and Daniel. It’s a dream come true, writing about hockey for a living. I remain humbled by the opportunity.

Do the Oilers make the playoffs? I think it’s too close to call. Dave Tippett is a helluva coach and the Oilers have the two best players in the race. I expect Holland will make a tweak or two and Benson, Lagesson and others can help when recalled from the farm. There’s a structure and pace to the pipeline again, feels like a measured response at the deadline is likely.

What grade would you give Holland and Tippett this year? Tippett’s an easy one, he is an “A” all day long in terms of roster management. Holland’s mark would be a little shy of that, I’ll say “B+”. Although his trade for James Neal alone earns him a passing grade, the drafting of Broberg and signing of Chiasson got flagged in examination. Some of that is we’ll see, but it’s part of the record and we’ll need to deal with it in the now.

LOWDOWN WITH LOWETIDE

At 10 this morning, TSN1260, we hit the ground running with fabulous guests. Jonathan Willis from The Athletic will join me to talk first half of the season (surprises good and bad) and we’ll chat recalls and trade deadline. Corey Graham will talk Oil Kings at 11, the club is playing the most exciting hockey since 2014 of late. John Horn is our tennis expert and he’ll chat Australian Open at 11:25. 10-1260 text, @Lowetide on twitter. See you on the radio!

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Bulging Twine

ArmchairGM: Look at this though:

http://naturalstattrick.com/linestats.php?fromseason=20192020&thruseason=20192020&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&rate=n&team=EDM&vteam=ALL&view=log&loc=B&gpfilt=none&fd=2019-10-02&td=2020-04-04&tgp=2000&strict=incl&p1=8478402&p2=8475178&p3=8471707&p4=0&p5=0

Two of the GA came when McDavid, Kassian and Neal just happened to be on the ice together due to late changes – Nov 6 vs Blues and Nov 12 vs Sharks. They weren’t a “line” at that point.

Since they’ve been playing together on a regular basis (Dec 31 vs Rangers), they are

72:39 TOI
51.54 CF%
54.43 SF%
66.67 GF% (4 – 2)
60.57 xGF% (3.01 – 1.96)
56.52 HDCF% (13 – 10)

Neal-McDavid, in games where they’ve played more than 3 shifts together, are 7-5 goals (58.33%). That McDavid could use an upgrade at LW there’s no doubt, but I don’t think it’s fair to say they’ve only been breaking even together as a line.

Okay, very nice depth of analysis. Thank you.
So we’ll monitor it a little longer.

ArmchairGM

Woodguy v2.0: 1) Open“Players->Individual” and then set the “More Filters” to the team and date range to get the player data.

2) Open “Team” then set “More Filters” to your date range.

3) Get a #2 HB pencil and some paper.Sharpen aforementioned pencil.

4) Take your socks off OR get a calculator

5) ???????

6) STANLEY!!!

If you’re doing straight on/off for one player this is easiest.There is also a way to do it with their “line tool” if you can find a player to use who played next to no time, but that’s adds complication for no reason if you’re just doing one ON/OFF.

So, manually. Got it. 🙂

Woodguy v2.0

🙂

ArmchairGM

Bulging Twine:
Neal – Kassian – McDavid
78:43 TOI together
4 GF – 4 GA
50%

Neal – Archibald – McDavid
55:13 TOI
3 GF – 1 GA
75%

Look at this though:

http://naturalstattrick.com/linestats.php?fromseason=20192020&thruseason=20192020&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&rate=n&team=EDM&vteam=ALL&view=log&loc=B&gpfilt=none&fd=2019-10-02&td=2020-04-04&tgp=2000&strict=incl&p1=8478402&p2=8475178&p3=8471707&p4=0&p5=0

Two of the GA came when McDavid, Kassian and Neal just happened to be on the ice together due to late changes – Nov 6 vs Blues and Nov 12 vs Sharks. They weren’t a “line” at that point.

Since they’ve been playing together on a regular basis (Dec 31 vs Rangers), they are

72:39 TOI
51.54 CF%
54.43 SF%
66.67 GF% (4 – 2)
60.57 xGF% (3.01 – 1.96)
56.52 HDCF% (13 – 10)

Neal-McDavid, in games where they’ve played more than 3 shifts together, are 7-5 goals (58.33%). That McDavid could use an upgrade at LW there’s no doubt, but I don’t think it’s fair to say they’ve only been breaking even together as a line.

jp

Woodguy v2.0: The difference?

Tippett said he finally had some time to practice.

Boy he’s good.

Splitting up 97 and 29 and giving 29 the best linemates to help him AND getting 97 and 29 to accept it is everything.

Spec asked the question on the road trip to the EC:

Spec: “do Connor and Leon accept playing apart?”

Tippett: “they accept winning”

That.

Is.

Everything.

To this team.

Now it’s up to Holland to get 97 at least one above average winger so he can clock in +60% GF on a regular basis.

I like this post.

OriginalPouzar

Koivu – 36
Parise – 35
Stall – 35
Zucker -28
Sutter – 35
Spurgeon – 30
Dybnyk – 33

Currently not in a playoff position.

Bottom third of the league prospect system.

Seems quite logical to start moving veteran pieces for futures.

OriginalPouzar

Dicky94:
OriginalPouzar,

Can JP still play this year in the NHL?

Sure can’t.

jtblack

OriginalPouzar:
Hawks with a big goal to pull within two before the end of the second by Hoffman with the back-breaker, restoring the 3-goal lead with less than a minute left in the 2nd.

4-1 FLA after two.

PRONGER was in NHL network (sirius). in a nutshell, said FLA players wont get recognition they deserve until they win. And win consistently.

He believed the team is starting to figure it out. But it sounded like mgmt and Coach Q have made it clear that only winning matters.

FLA could be dangerous …..

gogliano

3/3 tonight.

Oilers have 12 games prior to trade deadline. Even if they have a rough 12 game stretch they’d probably still be in the race. Have to think we’re officially buyers, not sellers, for the first time in forever.

flea

I heard Friedman mention that Staal hated his one rental experience, and it’s unlikely Minnesota trades him.

Even if they do, gotta think the Oil are on his 10 team no trade list.

Think there are more realistic targets than Staal for the Oilers. Bonino would be perfect but expensive.

Bulging Twine

Another PP for Hawks 5 minutes left 4-2

Bulging Twine

Penalty killed but Kane scores with 1:15 left

Bulging Twine

Hawks lose

perfect night for Oilers

ArmchairGM

Forget spending assets on a 35-year-old Eric Staal. There are several good rental / UFA centers available for much lower asset cost that will help.

For instance, just looking at the Wild – Mikko Koivu has far fewer points but has a positive goal differential (Staal does not) while facing Elites slightly more often with poorer linemates. He’s a UFA this coming summer and wouldn’t cost nearly as much as Staal.

Erickson Ek does the heavy lifting on that team and is just 22 – if you’re suggesting trading high pick + prospect that’s the guy to target, not Staal.

Bulging Twine

OriginalPouzar: That would be quite the responsibility for a player that has never played an NHL game.

To be placed on a line expected to score nightly and needed to outscore the opposition to win, to face the opposition’s toughest players and to play 17-18 minutes of 5 on 5 – in middle of a playoff spot run where every point is important.

I don’t see Tip doing it.

hmm perhaps not.

If the Neal McDavid combo continues to only play even hockey here are the other options for his LW:

Nygard
Khaira
Benson
and Right shooting:
Archibald
Chiasson
Gagner
Russell

He might be worth a look see

edit: as in, there’s not a lot of top notch options

edit 2: keeping the second line intact obviously

Bulging Twine

Could be like a Jake Guentzel call up – alongside Crosby

duct tape and foil

Bennett for JP makes sense to me. Both #4 picks, both disappointments, both need a change of scenery. Both teams could use a forward. Only problem is trading with Calgary and JP is no use this season. Might be a summer trade if Bennett is still with the Flames. A young left shooting LW/C who is a few years from UFA works for me.

Ryan

Harpers Hair:
Ken Holland instrumental in brining back the Young Stars tournament.

https://theathletic.com/1551476/2020/01/21/inside-how-okanagan-boy-ken-holland-helped-bring-back-the-penticton-young-stars-tournament/

Great stuff. Always a favorite of mine.

Dicky94

Bulging Twine,

Would like to see the Oil trade for Miles Wood before the next Flames game. Him and Kassian would be fun to watch on McDavid’s wing. Might be the fastest line in the league. Hopefully pry Roslovic or Perrault out of the Peg for 3rd line center.

Bulging Twine

I don’t know much about Wood. He’s definitely been mentioned here before as a desired acquisition. Is he available?

ArmchairGM

Bulging Twine:
McDavid is only breaking even with Neal 7GF – 7GA
They’ve played 195 minutes together.
Could be time to find McDavid a new LWer

Look up Neal-Kassian and Neal- Archibald with McDavid. Those trios just seem to work.

Bulging Twine

wiil do thx

Bulging Twine

Neal – Kassian – McDavid
78:43 TOI together
4 GF – 4 GA
50%

Neal – Archibald – McDavid
55:13 TOI
3 GF – 1 GA
75%

Harpers Hair

OriginalPouzar: You don’t know that wouldn’t get their attention – it very well may considering it could become a 1st rounder – a performance based condition could make sense – if he hits the targets in 2020/21, then its worth a first rounder, if not, then it was worth the 2nd.

The conditional pick and Puljujarvi could very well get their attention – two good young assets to help a retool for an aging veteran not part of future plans.

Now we’re into HF Boards territory.

I’m out.

90s fan

Jethro Tull,

Like Selanne in ’06, but crazier!

Dicky94

Woodguy v2.0,

Thanks. For some reason I thought he could play after the deadline.

jp

godot10: If one is getting Staal, he is more likely to become first line RW.

This type of thing applies to most potential 3C’s the Oilers might acquire (and equally likely to be 1L, 2R, etc as it is 1R of course).

Woodguy v2.0

OriginalPouzar: Thank you for the work.

Now, who wants to analyze it beyond the “McDavid off at 61% = Stanley”?

They could even win a Stanley with Smith at that rate.

OriginalPouzar

Hawks with a big goal to pull within two before the end of the second by Hoffman with the back-breaker, restoring the 3-goal lead with less than a minute left in the 2nd.

4-1 FLA after two.

geowal

Great scoreboard tonight all around. Vegas loss. Jets loss. Chicago on the way.

Darth Tu

Let’s hope the Panthers keep this up. On the tail end of a back to back

Woodguy v2.0

Dicky94:
OriginalPouzar,

Can JP still play this year in the NHL?

No.

Had to be on an NHL roster Dec 1/2019 or close iirc.

Woodguy v2.0

ArmchairGM: Thanks WG – excellent info! Can I ask how exactly you got this out of NST? Did you pull the numbers manually or is there some setting that I haven’t found yet that gives you this easily? I tried the “Line Tool” but it won’t let you isolate only one player…

1) Open “Players->Individual” and then set the “More Filters” to the team and date range to get the player data.

2) Open “Team” then set “More Filters” to your date range.

3) Get a #2 HB pencil and some paper. Sharpen aforementioned pencil.

4) Take your socks off OR get a calculator

5) ???????

6) STANLEY!!!

If you’re doing straight on/off for one player this is easiest. There is also a way to do it with their “line tool” if you can find a player to use who played next to no time, but that’s adds complication for no reason if you’re just doing one ON/OFF.

Dicky94

OriginalPouzar,

Can JP still play this year in the NHL?

Woodguy v2.0

SwedishPoster:
OriginalPouzar,

Thanks for the recap. I hope on the radar means they are very much looking to sign Berglund. No guarantee he’s an NHLer in the making but I really want to see what he can do in a new setting and on NA ice. There’s something about his game that sets off my scouting senses. I think his upside could be surprisingly high but at the very least he should be a quality top 4 D in the AHL.

Broberg is back in the top 6 the last three games so he sat out one game, was the 7th D for one and then worked himself back into the top 6 by game three post the WJCs which is impressive in itself, as I’ve mentioned before Skellefteå carries what’s probably the deepest D group in the SHL. He’s also back playing with Berglund so BroBerglund is once again a thing and they’ve been pretty strong. The team lost today 4-0 but BroBerglund at least were even. Still no PP for Broberg but the team has had some issues with the man advantage for the last few so for the first time this season there’s at least an opening. Still don’t think he’ll get a shot unless the struggles continue for a while, it’s pretty clear they want him to focus on his 5v5 game, but here’s to hoping.

On the WJCs. I think he was fine. The coach explicitly said he used Broberg’s pairing as a shutdown pair and gave them the toughest match ups and zone starts. Sweden was also very much a one line team with some Raymond-Holtz magic on occasion and Broberg barely got any time with any of those two lines. With that in mind I think he did well though I still he could have taken charge more in the offensive end, he’s not been playing with his early season confidence the last two months or so.

A couple of weekends ago Skellefteå was on the match of the week for the SHL and pre-game one of the experts, a former D-man/coach, had a fun interview with Broberg where the interview was like a video coach session where they talked about his game and his mindset in different situations, he cameoff as being very attentive to what the expert/coach was saying and seemed to have a good head for the game from this perspective which matches what you hear from his former and current coaches.
They also looked closer at his skating, his edges are something else I tell you, and they also compared his crossovers to ”normal” players and he can generate so much power it’s nuts. Once his leg strength catches up fully he’ll be able to absolutely explode out of the gates when he starts his crosses. Lordy.
On another note he looks like he’s still growing, I know he grew like an inch between the combine and development camp from 6’3 to 6’4 and to me he looks taller now than at the start of the season. If this isn’t just me seeing things, which let’s be fair is fairly likely, he might end up 6’5 or beyond.

Two funny tidbits from that interview, he grew up in a part of Sweden called ”the whiny belt” because the dialect sounds like you’re whining all the time and he still has that dialect but after just a few months in Skellefteå he’s started to pick up the local dialect which is pretty distinct as well, if this continues it could be an interesting end result. He might have to speak english with Klef and the rest of the swedes for them to understand.
Also the expert, Johan Tornberg, used to coach Broberg’s former club Örebro’s mens team three years ago, he said that one day they had been short a D man in practice and a 14-15 year old kid from the junior team who was at the rink as an intern for a school thing had his gear with him and could jump in. That kid was Broberg.

Love me some SP!!!

So, so valuable.

OriginalPouzar

Bulging Twine:
Oh interesting, switch Archie over to the left.Worth a shot, they’ve certainly been gold together thus far.

This we know for sure:it’s a travesty to drag down McDavid.Can’t happen.Neal’s only saving grace is their scoring chance #’s are pretty good.Gotta cash in though.

I too would really like to see Benson given a shot to play with McDavid when and if he gets called up.Pretty sure he has the head to play with him if he doesn’t get the starstruck wobble.And McDavid has actually been good with some ‘slower’ type players before.
I will want to see Benson’s cycle game at the NHL level.He’s excelled in the AHL at it with Marody and Currie.If he can develop some cycle/positioning chemistry with Kassian and McDavid….wooot

That would be quite the responsibility for a player that has never played an NHL game.

To be placed on a line expected to score nightly and needed to outscore the opposition to win, to face the opposition’s toughest players and to play 17-18 minutes of 5 on 5 – in middle of a playoff spot run where every point is important.

I don’t see Tip doing it.

jp

SwedishPoster,

Amazing updates and insight. Thank you so much!!

OriginalPouzar

Harpers Hair: What would you add to that pick to get Minnesota’s attention?

A second round pick won’t do it.

And they don’t need defensemen.

You don’t know that wouldn’t get their attention – it very well may considering it could become a 1st rounder – a performance based condition could make sense – if he hits the targets in 2020/21, then its worth a first rounder, if not, then it was worth the 2nd.

The conditional pick and Puljujarvi could very well get their attention – two good young assets to help a retool for an aging veteran not part of future plans.

jp

OriginalPouzar:
Scott Howson:

Thanks for passing this on!

OriginalPouzar

Make that 3-0 FLA over CHI near the end of the 2nd.

OriginalPouzar

Bulging Twine:
This is supposed to be a very deep draft.

For me, the potential of the first rounder combined with the years of control of the player chosen are worth more than a year and a half of 35 year old Staal.

Remember also, Friedman has recently stated that Staal hated being a “rental” with the NYR and will have some say on whether he wants to be again.

I would hope that the first rounder wouldn’t be included in any conditions for Staal.

Sorry, I mistyped and meant to say 2021 2nd rounder that could convert to a 2021 1st rounder.

It would have to be draft 2021 if its based on Staal’s performance next season.

Also, it wouldn’t be a rental as it would be for the rest of this year plus next year.

Of course, that doesn’t mean he’d waive for the Oilers.

Bulging Twine

ah

Munny

Harpers Hair: What would you suggest it might take for them to trade their leading scorer?

Their leading scorer, a 2019-20 All-star (his SIXTH selection IIRC), and on a very team-friendly contract as Staal considers Minny his “home team” as a Thunder Bay Boy… Has a 10 team no-trade.

There may even have been a handshake deal on letting him play till retirement there to get the contract the Wild did, but that’s sheer speculation on my part.

Regardless, it will take an overpay to pry him out of Minny—IF the Oil are somehow not on his NTC. Not a good use of assets.

Considering he has term on that wicked deal, he could very easily cost more than a Pageau rental.

Love me some Eric Staal–was one of the first to push his name forward–but I’ve come to realize it’s a pipe dream.

now… BRING ME TYLER ENNIS!!!

Because that’s the aisle Holland is going to be shopping in.

OriginalPouzar

FLA now takes a 2-0 lead on CHI – more solid stuff.

godot10

I’m sure JoeLQ went The FULL ODELL on the bulletin board in the lockerroom today.

Bulging Twine

Totally. You know he wanted that one

Harpers Hair
Scungilli Slushy

Woodguy v2.0: The difference?

Tippett said he finally had some time to practice.

Boy he’s good.

Been loving that guy.

Woodguy v2.0

Litke 94: Good lord was December ugly. Seriously amazing that the Oilers were able to recover in January like they have.

If we can come in somewhere between January and November numbers for the remainder of the season, things will be looking good for a couple of ICE District watch parties in April.

The difference?

Tippett said he finally had some time to practice.

Boy he’s good.

Splitting up 97 and 29 and giving 29 the best linemates to help him AND getting 97 and 29 to accept it is everything.

Spec asked the question on the road trip to the EC:

Spec: “do Connor and Leon accept playing apart?”

Tippett: “they accept winning”

That.

Is.

Everything.

To this team.

Now it’s up to Holland to get 97 at least one above average winger so he can clock in +60% GF on a regular basis.

Reja

Harpers Hair: Stall would likely take a first round pick to pry out of Minnesota.

He’s their leading scorer.

If you think a 35 year-old Stall will fetch a mid to late 1st rounder I want to trade with you.

OriginalPouzar

BOS squeaks out a regulation victory over VEG – great stuff.

CAR puts the boots to WIN in regulation – solid stuff.

FLA and CHI scoreless – type of stuff TBD.

Reja

Harpers Hair:
Vegas leading Boston 2-1 at the end of the second.

Could move into first in the Pacific with a win.

Thanks for putting the curse on Vegas again.

norm_klassen

3-2 Boston 4 :14 left
What magic trick will those Golden Pasaykas bust out tonight?

Scungilli Slushy

OriginalPouzar:
I knew that Nuge had been on fire lately (I think its 13 or 14 points and plus 9 in the 8 games since the Leon/Connor split) but Archie, of all people, has 10 points in his last 12 games – that’s on top of the plus PK and responsibility.Go Archie!

I expect Archie back. I was thinking Haas might be as well and Nygard not. On the latter two I am starting to think Nygard will be back because of his speed (which I also think Holland likes about Archie).

It will be interesting to see what he does as we start to get a read on Kenny as Oilers GM.

Edit
Haas also has speed but I’m not sure he’s impressing them overall. Smart yes, rounded enough for 3C or to displace Sheahan I’m not sure.

Scungilli Slushy

I so want to watch the Connor doc. But it sounds like it’ll bring out the 80s Messier side of my hockey brain I try to keep minimized. Elbow to the chops for Mr Gio as he comes around the net.

And it certainly won’t help my disgust at the league for being biased over decades against our Oilers and letting hacks regardless of ability ruin the game for everyone by hurting the best players.

And increase my nervousness at how Connor plays.

I also remain amazed that Chia had the audacity to trade for Manning, on any level you can think about it.

Bulging Twine

Messier’s elbows were absolutely vicious!
Remember McCoun? Hooo man

Bulging Twine

Or the Russian in the summit series

jtblack

WPG has won 5 of their last 20 ….

I think they are removing themselves from the playoffs, while CHI is entering the equation …

WE WAIT

OriginalPouzar

I knew that Nuge had been on fire lately (I think its 13 or 14 points and plus 9 in the 8 games since the Leon/Connor split) but Archie, of all people, has 10 points in his last 12 games – that’s on top of the plus PK and responsibility. Go Archie!

Scungilli Slushy

Lowetide: I’d like to see Archibald there, maybe Benson too. If the current vets aren’t getting it done, give the kids a chance. Slats did.

I agree. It’s about who can do the job. I think Neal is pretty much a PP specialist at this point.

I hope he gets hot again and pops 30. Some teams might need what he’s still good at and less so a strong 5v5 player.

I think the oilers need more strong 5v5 types and less ‘specialists’.

Harpers Hair

Vegas leading Boston 2-1 at the end of the second.

Could move into first in the Pacific with a win.

Bulging Twine

Oh interesting, switch Archie over to the left. Worth a shot, they’ve certainly been gold together thus far.

This we know for sure: it’s a travesty to drag down McDavid. Can’t happen. Neal’s only saving grace is their scoring chance #’s are pretty good. Gotta cash in though.

I too would really like to see Benson given a shot to play with McDavid when and if he gets called up. Pretty sure he has the head to play with him if he doesn’t get the starstruck wobble. And McDavid has actually been good with some ‘slower’ type players before.
I will want to see Benson’s cycle game at the NHL level. He’s excelled in the AHL at it with Marody and Currie. If he can develop some cycle/positioning chemistry with Kassian and McDavid….wooot

Harpers Hair

Justin Williams scored in his first game back with Carolina.

Harpers Hair

OriginalPouzar:
Whatever your or I, or anyone else on here, suggests or speculates, that’s all it is – we don’t know that it would cost a first rounder and my response was b/c you essentially stated that as fact.

Then why bother?